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RSJ    36,531
1 minute ago, bitonti said:

just as people say it's hard to judge a QB with no weapons its hard to judge these HC without adequate talent on the roster

Put it another way if Peyton Manning was the QB, is Bowles that much worse (or better) than John Fox? 

You mean is Bowles as good as Jim Mora? The answer to that question is no.

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Jet Nut    4,560
3 minutes ago, thadude said:

Yeah that Sheldon at OLB adjustment worked out really well

So which is it troll?  Did he make adjustments as I said or not?  The point was he tried and made adjustments, only the troll wants to second guess the move and change the subject because hes once again in way over his head.  Unless your argument is he didnt make adjustments but the one he made with SR didnt work

Go back to trolling threads though

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RSJ    36,531
1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

So which is it troll?  Did he make adjustments as I said or not?  The point was he tried and made adjustments, only the troll wants to second guess the move and change the subject because hes once again in way over his head.  Unless your argument is he didnt make adjustments but the one he made with SR didnt work

Go back to trolling threads though

Keeping the same QB in after 6 Int's is not good adjusting.

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thadude    877
1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

The point was he tried and made adjustments, only the troll wants to second guess the move and change the subject because hes once again in way over his head.

Go back to trolling threads though

Bowles can't make adjustments.  When he does David Johnson runs for three touchdowns in 1 game because a 290lb DT is trying to play in space

 

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thadude    877
1 minute ago, RSJ said:

Keeping the same QB in after 6 Int's is not good adjusting.

Hard to blame Bowles for that did you see the other qb's?

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NoBowles    1,105
20 minutes ago, bitonti said:

you are right there is a reason why Josh MCCown makes 6 million and Bowles makes 1. Money talks and BS walks. The players are who decides these outcomes, not the coaches. If coaches really determined wins and losses, they'd be getting the Andrew Luck salaries. 

Bowles makes around $4m per year, not $1m per year, that is a huge difference. Yes, QB is critical, but if coaches did not matter, they would make closer to $1m per year then $4m per year.

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RSJ    36,531
1 minute ago, thadude said:

Hard to blame Bowles for that did you see the other qb's?

If he put Folk in at QB it would be understandable at that point.

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bitonti    36,751
5 minutes ago, RSJ said:

You mean is Bowles as good as Jim Mora? The answer to that question is no.

Fox was the HC when Peyton was in Denver.  

Coaches coach and players play 

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Jet Nut    4,560
3 minutes ago, RSJ said:

Keeping the same QB in after 6 Int's is not good adjusting.

So you would have benched Namath, Peyton or all the others when they threw 6? 

Especially when you had no one worth a damn to turn to?  

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thadude    877
Just now, RSJ said:

If he put Folk in at QB it would be understandable at that point.

I guess because Nick Folk would probably be a better qb than Hack and Petty

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NoBowles    1,105
21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

if we are talking about firing anyone, nothing Bowles has done was as bad as Mac's handling of the QB position. ALso his Devin Smith and Darron Lee picks were stinky. Bowles is doing the best he can with a garbage roster. meanwhile any Jets fan on this forum with a magazine could draft better than Mac 

How do you know who handled the QB position? It seemed to me Bowles was the one pushing to sign Fitzpatrick, With this power structure, nobody knows who the fk is making the calls.

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Jet Nut    4,560
3 minutes ago, thadude said:

Bowles can't make adjustments.  When he does David Johnson runs for three touchdowns in 1 game because a 290lb DT is trying to play in space

 

You cant make an argument worth a damn

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Stark    269
1 hour ago, bitonti said:

What's stopping Hack from playing well with the 2s? he's getting reps just not first team reps. in theory he could get the promotion if he deserved it. The question is what has he done with the 2's to deserve a promotion 

Today's practice he couldn't even break the huddle correctly 

http://brobible.com/sports/article/jets-qb-christian-hackenberg-huddle/

What is the point. You are stuck on a point that does not matter. McCown has not, ever earned a starting job. It would appear that Bowles is going to repeat last offseason, just instead of Fitz it's McCown. Hack may suck, so may Petty, but you can't say that McCown playing - in anyway - gives them the reps needed to see if they can play. 

Did you order your #15 jersey already? lol. smh... 

 

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bitonti    36,751
1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

Bowles makes around $4m per year, not $1m per year, that is a huge difference. Yes, QB is critical, but if coaches did not matter, they would make closer to $1m per year then $4m per year.

4mil is low for HC standards and 6mil is low for QB standards.  

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thadude    877
Just now, NoBowles said:

How do you know who handled the QB position? It seemed to me Bowles was the one pushing to sign Fitzpatrick, With this power structure, nobody knows who the fk is making the calls.

According to basically every report Bowles had 0.0 to do with the offense.  Gailey made the call

 

 

 

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bitonti    36,751
1 minute ago, Stark said:

McCown has not, ever earned a starting job.

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I dont' know this player's whole history but he's earning this job right now cause the other two are clearly worse 

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NoBowles    1,105
Just now, bitonti said:

4mil is low for HC standards and 6mil is low for QB standards.  

agree, so my point still stands, if HC's don't matter, why are NFL owners paying them so much money??

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thadude    877
1 minute ago, Stark said:

What is the point. You are stuck on a point that does not matter. McCown has not, ever earned a starting job. It would appear that Bowles is going to repeat last offseason, just instead of Fitz it's McCown. Hack may suck, so may Petty, but you can't say that McCown playing - in anyway - gives them the reps needed to see if they can play. 

Did you order your #15 jersey already? lol. smh... 

 

Hack, Petty and McCown - none of them will even be in the NFL next season

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RSJ    36,531
1 minute ago, thadude said:

Hack, Petty and McCown - none of them will even be in the NFL next season

Hack's arm alone will keep him in the NFL for a long time.

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thadude    877
Just now, RSJ said:

Hack's arm alone will keep him in the NFL for a long time.

He's not an NFL qb, not even backup quality

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RSJ    36,531
1 minute ago, thadude said:

He's not an NFL qb, not even backup quality

Nobody knows that at this point. Saying that you do is ridiculous. Regardless though, arms like his, even if he ends up being terrible will buy him many, many chances.

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gEYno    247,970
Just now, RSJ said:

Nobody knows that at this point. Saying that you do is ridiculous. Regardless though, arms like his, even if he ends up being terrible will buy him many, many chances.

Maybe it's just fans and beat reporters who don't know at this point.

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bitonti    36,751
5 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

agree, so my point still stands, if HC's don't matter, why are NFL owners paying them so much money??

Compared to a job at Best buy it's a lot of money. But by NFL salary standards, they are not paying HC that much money. 

The salary cap doesn't apply to coaches. If Coaches really made the difference between winning and losing there's nothing to stop an owner from giving a HC an Andrew Luck type of contract. 

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NoBowles    1,105
2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Compared to a job at Best buy it's a lot of money. But by NFL salary standards, they are not paying HC that much money. 

The salary cap doesn't apply to coaches. If Coaches really made the difference between winning and losing there's nothing to stop an owner from giving a HC an Andrew Luck type of contract. 

Your extremely naive to the complexity of the NFL. NFL HC's make more than most CEO's, and there is a good reason for that. 

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NoBowles    1,105
3 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Maybe it's just fans and beat reporters who don't know at this point.

If the coaches know this, and he is still getting reps, the coaches are worse than we think.....

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Scott Dierking    129,436
1 hour ago, gEYno said:

This is a well reasoned argument.  I don't agree with it.  But, it's well reasoned.

We can all agree that physically, Hack and Petty are both far superior to McCown, no?  Also, we can agree that McCown, has no track record of winning, as he has only won 11 games in 11 seasons.  So, I don't see how, unless Hack and Petty are far inferior to McCown, it would be a hard sell to start a younger player with far more upside (physically for the short term, and obviously for the long term) to the locker room?  Again, maybe McCown does give us the best chance to win, but if our best chance to win is a guy who's won 11 games in 11 seasons, I don't see how that's not more of a testament to the other two guys than anything else?

What a football player  is physically, especially at the qb position is inconsequential. Mental make-up play a large factor as well.

To me, to have this discussion, before we have even had pre-season games makes the discussion and any supposed pre-determined decisions moot. Working off conjecture and what others tweet what they think is a poor way to operate, in my mind.

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bitonti    36,751
8 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Your extremely naive to the complexity of the NFL. NFL HC's make more than most CEO's, and there is a good reason for that. 

they don't make more than Quarterbacks or Cornerbacks or Defensive Ends or anyone really. 

they make more than Punters and Kickers. that's their significance. 

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JetBlue    1,716
On 8/6/2017 at 1:44 PM, johnnysd said:

He has NOT been clearly better. And he sucks. If they start McClown its just a repeat of the mistakes of the last 2 years.

The idea that this guy is getting all the first team reps just tells me that nothing will ever change with this franchise.   

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Dcat    2,951
35 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Really? In week one the Jets switched from straight man coverage to zone and back more than a few times to help Revis.  Missed that?  They did the same from week to week to help the secondary.  Didnt help much because of the talent and injuries but they tried and their pass defense did get batter in the final 6 weeks or so.  But they didnt adjust according to fans. 

They moved Richardson around trying to help injured LB group.  Didnt help much but they switched up, doesnt count though.  Played with DL formation and substitutions, but dont count.  Dont know what else could be changed, its football, changes are usually small, schemes are hard to drastically change mid season, its why firing HCs during seasons are not the norm

I'm talking about adjusting to what the opposition is doing... which does not necessarily match up with playing people out of position because others are sucking or injured.  Bowles did not change things up (either on defense or on offense) to match what the opposition was doing.  What you describe is not "adjusting".  It's compensating. 

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