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32 minutes ago, gEYno said:

And, I think we call all assume there's a curve in the grading.  If Hack is close to McCown, Hack will play.  But there isn't much to suggest this is the case at this point.

I guess, I'd ask what you consider close?  Hack hasn't thrown a pick yet. He will, but he hasn't yet. McCown has. He has also "completed" more "passes" in camp so far as well. McCown isn't going to go out there and play great.  He will go out there and be bad or just ok.  If you think he can go out there and actually raise the talent level of this team and play very well...fine. I get the argument then. But if we are just saying yeah they both suck...but McCown has more experience sucking....that is pointless.  Play the kid who MIGHT potentially one day improve.  Not the 38 year old guy who never will and is likely regressing more and more as time takes it's toll on him.

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1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

You know, I understand your point of view...at least to some extent.  My point was always, and only, that the NYJ have once again, treated the QB position entirely different than every other position on the team by signing a 38 yo McCown who we all know is not a viable long-term solution and makes it entirely possible that this season is a rehash of last season where McCown wins a spare game or three worsening draft position and/or we don't get to evaluate Hack/Petty until they get thrown into the action when the team is already 6 games under .500 and has already mailed it in.  IMO, they NEVER should have signed McCown in the first place.

And, honestly, I have less problem with McCown starting the season than I do with the absolute idiocy of not giving the young QB's at least equal, if not more, of the reps in practice leading up to the season because neither of them is going to even have a shot of getting better in a new offensive system with limited reps.  The young guys don't get reps because they don't look 'as good' as the 15+ yr pro who's played in the system before?  Color me shocked!  And then you realize McCown's 38 and his winning percentage as a starter in the NFL is sub .200 and this is the guy they're giving practice reps to?

Only the Jets folks, only the Jets.

Yes. THIS.

Zero ability to see the forest for the trees.

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1 hour ago, varjet said:

In all fairness to Mac, the one who claims to draft the BPA, his 3 drafts were not great on the QB, OT and Edge that the Jets needed, particularly where the Jets picked.

but given that, you build the team up in other ways, including trading down, to build a team that is competitive.

Macc's strategy appears to be bpa drafting plus roster rigidity plus bargain basement FA.  This Is not a well constructed team.  The entire front office is to blame. 

I don't agree with blaming the poor state of this team all Mac just yet. Thanks to idzik, he's been working with a bare cupboard, youth-wise. His only choice this year was to purge and rebuild through the draft. But, we all must be patient. It seems like most of you on this site simply don't want to be. This year, one of two things will happen QB wise. Either we have a quarterback in Hackenberg, or we will have a fantastic opportunity to pick a top quality quarterback next year. I think Costello is only trying to build up controversy where there really isn't one. the QB starter of this team will be rewarded to the one who earns it. if it's hack, It's hack .if it's McCown, it's McCown. if it's Petty,it's Petty.

heck we're only in the first week of TC! Case in point, Petty had more reps than Hack last night because hack stunk up the joint  for two days prior.

this is going to be a fun year because we will get to see which of them youngsters are true leaders. Screw the wins or losses.  The true success of this team this year will be based on how competitive our players will be. All I hope to see this year is a bunch of guys busting their butts play in, play out. but a lot of that will rest on the shoulders of Bowles.  If he can't coach them up then he'll be gone That's all.

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3 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

You know, I understand your point of view...at least to some extent.  My point was always, and only, that the NYJ have once again, treated the QB position entirely different than every other position on the team by signing a 38 yo McCown who we all know is not a viable long-term solution and makes it entirely possible that this season is a rehash of last season where McCown wins a spare game or three worsening draft position and/or we don't get to evaluate Hack/Petty until they get thrown into the action when the team is already 6 games under .500 and has already mailed it in.  IMO, they NEVER should have signed McCown in the first place.

And, honestly, I have less problem with McCown starting the season than I do with the absolute idiocy of not giving the young QB's at least equal, if not more, of the reps in practice leading up to the season because neither of them is going to even have a shot of getting better in a new offensive system with limited reps.  The young guys don't get reps because they don't look 'as good' as the 15+ yr pro who's played in the system before?  Color me shocked!  And then you realize McCown's 38 and his winning percentage as a starter in the NFL is sub .200 and this is the guy they're giving practice reps to?

Only the Jets folks, only the Jets.

Sad is that we cant seem to establish the QB here via the draft or free agency. We settle for other teams castoffs or other teams old re-trades. Enough is enough already. 

We need to hire a GM who will trade the entire draft for a QB. 

Dallas found Prescott we have nothing at the position. 

The camp battle should be Petty and Hackenberg, McCown should be holding a clipboard and staying in shape if Petty and Hackenberg get injured or fail miserably. 

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Just now, joewilly12 said:

Sad is that we cant seem to establish the QB here via the draft or free agency. We settle for other teams castoffs or other teams old re-trades. Enough is enough already. 

We need to hire a GM who will trade the entire draft for a QB. 

Dallas found Prescott we have nothing at the position. 

The camp battle should be Petty and Hackenberg, McCown should be holding a clipboard and staying in shape if Petty and Hackenberg get injured or fail miserably. 

Doesn't happen all that frequently, but I agree with you here ;)  Good post!

The only way McCown should see the field this season is if both Petty and Hack demonstrate they both suck....AFTER getting the reps and preseason game experience needed to make that assessment which McCown doesn't need.

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8 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

The only way McCown should see the field this season is if both Petty and Hack demonstrate they both suck....AFTER getting the reps and preseason game 

And that's not going to be exactly what happens?

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13 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Sad is that we cant seem to establish the QB here via the draft or free agency. We settle for other teams castoffs or other teams old re-trades. Enough is enough already. 

We need to hire a GM who will trade the entire draft for a QB. 

Dallas found Prescott we have nothing at the position. 

The camp battle should be Petty and Hackenberg, McCown should be holding a clipboard and staying in shape if Petty and Hackenberg get injured or fail miserably. 

Macagnan sucks.  He will be fired in January along with the empty suit head coach.  Worst regime since Kotite.

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Just now, thadude said:

Macagnan sucks.  He will be fired in January along with the empty suit head coach.  Worst regime since Kotite.

I agree with you and hope this happens. 

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Hack will start getting first team reps after the first preseason game they probably just want to make him feel like he had to earn the starting job...there is absolutely no reason to start mccown unless hack gets injured and we are contending for a playoff spot.

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

I agree with you and hope this happens. 

It will.  The empty stadium, the fact that Darnold might decide to stay at USC to avoid this sh_tshow, the fact that all of Mac's draft picks not named Leo suck.

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Just now, thadude said:

It will.  The empty stadium, the fact that Darnold might decide to stay at USC to avoid this sh_tshow, the fact that all of Mac's draft picks not named Leo suck.

Adams and Maye suck? I hope not. 

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1 minute ago, bealeb319 said:

Hack will start getting first team reps after the first preseason game they probably just want to make him feel like he had to earn the starting job
 

totes magotes

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2 minutes ago, thadude said:

Calvin Pryors #2 and #3

That's a bold as hell statement to make, so bold in fact that I'll call it stupid and incredibly biased. They haven't done a damn thing yet expect have a good camp. And you're already writing them off?

Ridiculous. There are many criticism one can make about Mac, but its hard to take any of yours seriously because of your obvious darksider agenda.

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1 minute ago, Tony MaC said:

That's a bold as hell statement to make, so bold in fact that I'll call it stupid and incredibly biased. They haven't done a damn thing yet expect have a good camp. And you're already writing them off?

Ridiculous. There are many criticism one can make about Mac, but its hard to take any of yours seriously because of your obvious darksider agenda.

I'll be bumping this thread when OJ Howard is making multiple Pro Bowls while Brady continues to put up 40-burgers on our secondary

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Adams was the best pick we can make and about as obvious as Leo was two years ago. These guys will be cornerstones of our defense for years to come.

 

And Josh McCown still hasn't won the QB competition, he cant until after the preseason games have started.

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7 minutes ago, thadude said:

I'll be bumping this thread when OJ Howard is making multiple Pro Bowls while Brady continues to put up 40-burgers on our secondary

Oh good.  Nothing like a negative whiny rant to rub in peoples faces when they are feeling down. I wanted OJ too. (Or Mike Williams).  We took a safety. Get over it and move on.

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I'll be bumping this thread when OJ Howard is making multiple Pro Bowls while Brady continues to put up 40-burgers on our secondary


Just our or curiosity are you going to bump it if Adams and maye become multiple probowlers and oj Howard underwhelms? What if legett has a better career?

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2 minutes ago, Tony MaC said:

Adams was the best pick we can make and about as obvious as Leo was two years ago. These guys will be cornerstones of our defense for years to come.

 

And Josh McCown still hasn't won the QB competition, he cant until after the preseason games have started.

Best player maybe. But best pick?  I mean we are still talking about safety.  You can change it to ILB, OG, RT or NG and it would still be a fair point. Non essential positions at 6 overall are risky. If any other player pans out at QB, LT, WR, Edge Rusher, CB....then Adams has to be elite to justify the pick.

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4 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

 


Just our or curiosity are you going to bump it if Adams and maye become multiple probowlers and oj Howard underwhelms? What if legett has a better career?

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Don't be silly.  How can you expect someone to do a told you so bump without being able to say "I told you so."?

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4 hours ago, dbatesman said:

 imagine the look on this goobers face when Hack is named the week 1 starter, lmao man I cant wait

Lets see how this pan out, afterall it was only Costello's opinion.  BTW, it does appear that Marcus Maye may have been a nice pick in the second round.  Like most I was initally disappointed with another rsafety in round 2, but it is a position of need and if Maye works out, that would be great.

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

How does starting Hack over a generally near-equal McClown stop us from building a winning program?

How does starting Hack over a generally near-equal McClown equate to a bad decision?  

Please limit answers to non-touchy-feeling-players-crying-tears-emotions! answers, if you please. 

Define "deserve".  Did McClown "deserve" to be signed?  I would say his resume to-date would indicate a major "**** no he didn't" to that question.

So what harm does starting a near-equal Hack over McClown, who doesn't currently "deserve" to be on an NFL roster, much less be a starting QB, hurt the Jets going forward?

A professional journeyman loser, according to his resume.  He has less on-field success than any QB in recent Jets memory, and that's says something.  I'd rather play Geno Smith, if that tells you anything.

Neither has McClown.

I agree.  If he is generally equal to McCowln, he wins the competition.  By his play being generally equal.  On the field.  

Putting placeholder loser journeyman in positions where the do nothing for the team long term and take snaps away from young players does.....what for us again?

McCown is a crappy QB but is better than Hackenberg.  This isn't socialism.  If Hack can't outplay a career loser like McCown in TC and preseason he doesn't belong in the NFL let alone starting

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3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Ok. 2017 wasnt the year. How abput 2016? 2015? 2014? 2013? And on and on.....

 

We have one first round pick on offense. One. James Carpenter. The core of our OLine was just cut or retired. We have a 6th rounder and a bunch of street free agents, late round picks, and other teams castoffs on Offense. 

 

Did they even PICK an offensive lineman in the draft? I honestly dont remember. The team has zero offensive talent in place. Quincy Enunwa is a nice player, but not a building block. But hey, we'll get to see that Todd Bowles Defense in action with our two new safetuea!

 

You know, the way we had that Herm Edwards, "draft 3 Corners a year" Defense, and the Rex Ryan, "I need first rounders at every position" Defense.

 

They neglected the offense for so long, Jets fans are numb to it. And when they draft Darnold or Allen or whoever next draft, and we watch him fail, like all of the others....dont be surprised. Because its predictable. But hey! We got us some damn good safeties! And McCown sure does have presence. We should give him more reps to continue his 15 years of "development".

wait a second.  how many teams go into the season with all 22 positions set?  you can probably count them on one hand. i agree they haven't spent a ton of high draft picks on offense if you disallow hack, smith, geno, amaro over the past 4 drafts. the thing here is they pulled the plug on mangold (he probably only had one more year anyway) and let clady go.  neither of these two guys were in the future plans.  they firmed up the center position with johnson and the right side with winters and probably shell.  in reality there is only a hole at lt especially if beachem can go.  but offensive line churning is noting new.  a couple of seasons ago the patsies played a ton of players on the oline.  how'd that work out.  the steelers have had problem.  so have the chargers.  the biggest problem is not yet finding a qb.  imo costello is just being a blowhard like he usually is.  sure it would be great if hack beat out mccown outright but even if it's close he should get the nod.  if mccown was signed expressily to start this season they should have signed a guy like cutler. the second biggest problem are the wr's.  the wco requires the wr's do some reading and reacting.  it takes a while for them and the qb to get on the same page.

we'll see what happens.  i think hack will win out.

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3 minutes ago, rangerous said:

wait a second.  how many teams go into the season with all 22 positions set?  you can probably count them on one hand. i agree they haven't spent a ton of high draft picks on offense if you disallow hack, smith, geno, amaro over the past 4 drafts. the thing here is they pulled the plug on mangold (he probably only had one more year anyway) and let clady go.  neither of these two guys were in the future plans.  they firmed up the center position with johnson and the right side with winters and probably shell.  in reality there is only a hole at lt especially if beachem can go.  but offensive line churning is noting new.  a couple of seasons ago the patsies played a ton of players on the oline.  how'd that work out.  the steelers have had problem.  so have the chargers.  the biggest problem is not yet finding a qb.  imo costello is just being a blowhard like he usually is.  sure it would be great if hack beat out mccown outright but even if it's close he should get the nod.  if mccown was signed expressily to start this season they should have signed a guy like cutler. the second biggest problem are the wr's.  the wco requires the wr's do some reading and reacting.  it takes a while for them and the qb to get on the same page.

we'll see what happens.  i think hack will win out.

How many teams end the prior season with a BIG ? at the QB position and how many teams  start the following season  with a BIG ? at the QB position. 

I hope Hack wins out also. 

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Just now, joewilly12 said:

How many teams end the prior season with a BIG ? at the QB position and how many teams  start the following season  with a BIG ? at the QB position. 

I hope Hack wins out also. 

you know back in 74 terry bradshaw was benched in favor of joe gilliam.  it happens.  i just hope the jets are doing everything they can to get hack ready for the show.  and no matter what costello or serby or maneesh say, are any of them qualified to analyze a play and know if the qb missed the throw or the receiver missed the route?  i doubt it. 

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