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If Hackenberg fails to look as good as Watson, Kizer, and Trubisky

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JoJoTownsell1    2,376
2 minutes ago, Jet Blast said:

This thread is moot. A QB cannot be judged based on one preseason game.

 

Let's be real. If hack looks good tonight the sojfs will say "lol, remember Browning nagle." If hack looks bad, they'll say "see I told you we should have drafted Lynch-Watson etc..."

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JetFaninMI    434

You really can't make a legit comparison until they see real game action when it counts. A lot of these guys will be bagging groceries when the season starts. Of course then if Hack looks bad "real jet fans" will use the roster is gutted excuse and blah blah blah. FO.

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j4jets    1,536
1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

1.  They were in no position to draft Trubinski, he has nothing to do with us.

2.  No one wanted Kizer. 

3.  Watson was more of the same, all people complained was about his drop off and his arm.

Fans overreacting to a handful of throws against scrubs is typical though.  

1. You make no sense. 

2. No one wanted Hack

3. Where do you come up with your garbage?

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Pointdexter    121
7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Let's be real. If hack looks good tonight the sojfs will say "lol, remember Browning nagle." If hack looks bad, they'll say "see I told you we should have drafted Lynch-Watson etc..."

Not this sojf. I just want to see some encouraging signs out of Hack: pocket presence, consistent accuracy, going through progressions, etc.

No one, and certainly not me, is anointing these rookies of anything. They did however show promise, things to point to and get their fan bases excited. Just would like to see the same from Hack coming off the red shirt season.

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Dunnie    311
6 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Not this sojf. I just want to see some encouraging signs out of Hack: pocket presence, consistent accuracy, going through progressions, etc.

No one, and certainly not me, is anointing these rookies of anything. They did however show promise, things to point to and get their fan bases excited. Just would like to see the same from Hack coming off the red shirt season.

I'd be happy with command of the huddle and absence of Happy Feet.

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RSJ    36,531
9 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I'd be happy with command of the huddle and absence of Happy Feet.

I agree. I will also add that I would like to see him step into throws when under pressure. A lot of guys do that during college - but can't do it in the NFL. But no matter what I will try not to get too high or too low based on this performance. Who am I kidding, I am buying his jersey if he looks really awesome.

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Jet Nut    4,560
1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Not an issue.  Issue has been the number of balls way off the mark and hitting the dirt.

He's also locking on to one receiver and taking sacks if he's not open or throwing INTs.

five picks in last two practices, four during team periods.

Seems like your reports and all those from others mention a lot of dropped balls. Don't know that it's significant to this or not but I bet 50% of his passes were thrown short.

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C Mart    1,980
1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

The young kids are balling out and showing franchise potential. Hack has a full year of nfl experience and coaching over these kids. Theoretically he should be ahead. Macc better hope Hack at least matches the level of the rooks performances, tonight against Tenn. 

It's bad enough to draft a bust. It's a whole other level of bad if you let multiple franchise qbs get away bc of your mistake to draft said bust. A lot on the line for Macc's future, in my opinion. 

Btw, it's early yet but we were told over and over the '17 qb class was hot garbage. Sure not looking like it so far. 

That's a poor way at looking at it..Why can't Jets fans just let Hack progress (or maybe he doesn't)...But at least give the kid a legitimate chance to develop, which includes screwing up, making mistakes, hopefully learning from those mistakes and improving.  He's 22 yrs old.  He has all the physical tools to be a franchise QB..Can the rest be developed?  Let's find out. But to expect instant results or comparing him to that QB, who is in a different environment, is setting expectations for failure. Patience. Hack (and all these players, FO & coaches) can't be blamed for the failures of Sanchez, Geno, Nagle the list goes on and 40 yrs of Jets misery..

All we hear on here is it's a tank yr..So let's just allow this season to play out..Let's see how all these rookies and 2nd yr players play/develop.   

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Jet Nut    4,560
1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

Lol at #2. What the hell does it matter what the fans want. It's Macc's job, not the fans, to get it right. Macc doesn't get a pass bc the majority of fans may have agreed with him. Of course if you want to pick a nit, most fans were well on-board with Kizer in the 2nd, where he went, just not in the 1st.

Regarding your first point, you know we are allowed to trade up for a QB, just as the team who ultimately drafted Trubisky did, right?

Because I'm answering a poster who all of a sudden is pimping a guy no one wanted anything to do with.  But after a handful of passes against scrubs.

i wouldn't have traded up, gave up all Chicago did for Trubinski.  One game of a limited number of passes hasn't changed that view anymore than the exact same talk a year ago after Lynches first preseason game did.  Ultimately Macc was right about Lynch as of today and the great Elway overpaid for him.

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The Crusher    188,854
1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

The young kids are balling out and showing franchise potential. Hack has a full year of nfl experience and coaching over these kids. Theoretically he should be ahead. Macc better hope Hack at least matches the level of the rooks performances, tonight against Tenn. 

It's bad enough to draft a bust. It's a whole other level of bad if you let multiple franchise qbs get away bc of your mistake to draft said bust. A lot on the line for Macc's future, in my opinion. 

Btw, it's early yet but we were told over and over the '17 qb class was hot garbage. Sure not looking like it so far. 

So now we are determining who is and who is not franchise QB by one pre-season game? Awesome. 

 

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C Mart    1,980
31 minutes ago, j4jets said:

1. You make no sense. 

2. No one wanted Hack

3. Where do you come up with your garbage?

Ryan‏ @OVIENYJ  Aug 9

@MccloughanScot honest opinion on hackenberg?

Scot Mccloughan @MccloughanScot

Replying to @OVIENYJ

I loved him coming out. Serious upside

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The Crusher    188,854
1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

1.  They were in no position to draft Trubinski, he has nothing to do with us.

2.  No one wanted Kizer. 

3.  Watson was more of the same, all people complained was about his drop off and his arm.

Fans overreacting to a handful of throws against scrubs is typical though.  

Hey pal! Don't blame us cause it takes you more than one pre-season game to tell who is and who isn't a franchise QB. 

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Jet Nut    4,560
39 minutes ago, j4jets said:

1. You make no sense. 

2. No one wanted Hack

3. Where do you come up with your garbage?

Garbage?  

So in other words a 3 part answer that says absolutely nothing.  

A Hack reference for no reason at all. 

Nice job.  Thanks for adding to the discussion.  

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chirorob    1,490
1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

The young kids are balling out and showing franchise potential. Hack has a full year of nfl experience and coaching over these kids. Theoretically he should be ahead. Macc better hope Hack at least matches the level of the rooks performances, tonight against Tenn. 

It's bad enough to draft a bust. It's a whole other level of bad if you let multiple franchise qbs get away bc of your mistake to draft said bust. A lot on the line for Macc's future, in my opinion. 

Btw, it's early yet but we were told over and over the '17 qb class was hot garbage. Sure not looking like it so far. 

I'm not trying to make excuses, but Holy Cow, he has no one to throw to.

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C Mart    1,980
1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Not an issue.  Issue has been the number of balls way off the mark and hitting the dirt.

He's also locking on to one receiver and taking sacks if he's not open or throwing INTs.

five picks in last two practices, four during team periods.

AFJF,

Since you've been there..All we heard a week ago was he was holding onto the ball too long, which is normal for a young QB and one learning a new system (Pennington did the same thing)...That said, regarding the last two practice was he still holding onto the ball as long as before?  If not, perhaps the coaches are telling him to lack of a better phrase, "let it rip" alittle quicker..We'll live w/the bad passes / INTs for now

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Jet Nut    4,560
1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Hey pal! Don't blame us cause it takes you more than one pre-season game to tell who is and who isn't a franchise QB. 

Right.  One short series and they're crying over 3 passes on picking up a franchise QB.  

While complaining about the guy we haven't seen throw a single pass. 

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C Mart    1,980
2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Garbage?  

So in other words a 3 part answer that says absolutely nothing.  

Nice job.  Thanks for adding to the discussion.  

I'd add his reply wasn't factual either..

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The Crusher    188,854
Just now, Jet Nut said:

Right.  One short series and they're crying over 3 passes on picking up a franchise QB.  

While complaining about the guy we haven't seen throw a single pass. 

I'm advanced. I can tell who the franchise QB is by the tie they wear when they get drafted. 

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C Mart    1,980
57 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

No one needs him to look "awesome". Just show a comparable amount of encouraging promise as the QBs who are a full year behind him.

Which means what? 

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AFJF    40,221
3 minutes ago, C Mart said:

AFJF,

Since you've been there..All we heard a week ago was he was holding onto the ball too long, which is normal for a young QB and one learning a new system (Pennington did the same thing)...That said, regarding the last two practice was he still holding onto the ball as long as before?  If not, perhaps the coaches are telling him to lack of a better phrase, "let it rip" alittle quicker..We'll live w/the bad passes / INTs for now

I won't pretend I have a stop watch on the kid, but given the fact that he's still taking a ton of sacks and still locking on to one guy, it doesn't feel like the ball is coming out much quicker if at all.  I get that he's learning a new system with new players, but so is Petty, and Petty is the guy who never played in a pro system before and he's looked better.

Again, I hope it's just growing pains, but I'm just callin' it like I see it.  Locking on to one guy, lots of dirt balls and a significant jump in INT's.  

As I (and everyone who reports on the team) has said, there's just no consistency.  He'll blow you away with a throw or two, but then the next four or five will flutter and land in no man's land.  Hence the 50% comp pct thus far.

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C Mart    1,980
1 minute ago, AFJF said:

I won't pretend I have a stop watch on the kid, but given the fact that he's still taking a ton of sacks and still locking on to one guy, it doesn't feel like the ball is coming out much quicker if at all.  I get that he's learning a new system with new players, but so is Petty, and Petty is the guy who never played in a pro system before and he's looked better.

Again, I hope it's just growing pains, but I'm just callin' it like I see it.  Locking on to one guy, lots of dirt balls and a significant jump in INT's.  

As I (and everyone who reports on the team) has said, there's just no consistency.  He'll blow you away with a throw or two, but then the next four or five will flutter and land in no man's land.  Hence the 50% comp pct thus far.

Fair enough..thanks. I read Dennis Waszak (AP writer covering Jets) say when it's 11 on 11 he would rank McCown 1st followed by Hack then Petty..

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RSJ    36,531

It's kind of important to remember that essentially this is Hack's rookie year. Many QB's that go on to be great experience a rocky first year. The important part is seeing improvement throughout the year. When watching Geno last night, he basically looked the the same QB he did as a rookie. Same mistake, same everything.

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dbatesman    35,741
24 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Ryan‏ @OVIENYJ  Aug 9

@MccloughanScot honest opinion on hackenberg?

Scot Mccloughan @MccloughanScot

Replying to @OVIENYJ

I loved him coming out. Serious upside

McCloughan's the guy who can't hold a job because he's a drunk, right?

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dbatesman    35,741
6 minutes ago, RSJ said:

It's kind of important to remember that essentially this is Hack's rookie year. 

You guys really need to stop with this.

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RSJ    36,531
11 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

You guys really need to stop with this.

So that doesn't happen is what you are saying?

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C Mart    1,980
13 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

McCloughan's the guy who can't hold a job because he's a drunk, right?

He's also the guy who has the reputation of an excellent talent evaluator who had his hand in picking the SF (during the pre & Harbaugh yrs) & Seattle players

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HawkeyeJet    45
17 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

McCloughan's the guy who can't hold a job because he's a drunk, right?

Some may know him that way.  Others may remember him as the guy that had a large part in building the Seahawks and Niners rosters from awhile back, and the current Skins roster.

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