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BCJet    198
5 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Yeah, that's the boilerplate Sanchez haters speech. 

Never in the history of the team have we had an offensive coordinator as bad as Tony Sparano and wide receivers as bad as Clyde Gates and Chaz Schillens. Shonn Greene weighed 300 pounds.  The OL was dysfunctional. Tim Tebow was a constant distraction. 

That was an atrocious offense, terrible personnel, completely mismanaged by Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan who only cared about defense.   But go ahead, please, tell us again how the most successful quarterback in Jets postseason history and the second best quarterback to ever put on the Jets uniform nosedived because he suddenly got stupid and not as a result of the worst offensive personnel ever put on the field led by the worst OC in team history.  Nah, couldn't have been that.

SAR I

While sparano was horrendous and the WRs were bad to start, to defend sanchez is so preposterous, he may have the 2nd most post season wins in jets history, but aside from the New England game the team won in spite of him.  

Indy Win 18/31 0 tds and 1 int         San Diego win 12/23 100  yards 1 Td 1 Int     Bengals win 12/15  182 1 Td 0int

Sanchez, as he has shown playing for all the other teams and OCs that he has the past few years, has no mental grasp of the position.  He was a good athlete with an above average arm, but had no idea how to set a protection (see strip sack in Pitt that cost us the game), how to manage down/distance, when to throw it away or any of the mental parts of the game that make QBs successful.  He thrived on a good veteran team, and when it was time for him to improve, he fell apart.

Theres a reason he's the third string QB on the bears now, he's not a good QB and theres not debate.  If he was good, then he wouldn't have more Ints in the past 2 seasons then TDs - which he does.

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41 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Yeah, that's the boilerplate Sanchez haters speech. 

Never in the history of the team have we had an offensive coordinator as bad as Tony Sparano and wide receivers as bad as Clyde Gates and Chaz Schillens. Shonn Greene weighed 300 pounds.  The OL was dysfunctional. Tim Tebow was a constant distraction. 

That was an atrocious offense, terrible personnel, completely mismanaged by Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan who only cared about defense.   But go ahead, please, tell us again how the most successful quarterback in Jets postseason history and the second best quarterback to ever put on the Jets uniform nosedived because he suddenly got stupid and not as a result of the worst offensive personnel ever put on the field led by the worst OC in team history.  Nah, couldn't have been that.

SAR I

But don't you know, it's only about the QB.  It's never about the 10 other guys, unless you're Eli Manning and everything gets blames on the OL. 

Reality is, after the Jets made it to their second AFCCG they started getting rid of the veterans that got them there.  Tomlinson, Richardson, Woody, Edwards, Hartsock (I know what you're thinking, but he was an effective blocker).  Then Holmes and Keller were gone.  These guys were replaced by Greene, Conners, Hunter, Hill, Cumberland/Mulligan, Schilens, and other non-notables.  

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rangerous    617
3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

He said improve the QB position.

Blaming the OC is classic Mark Sanchez talk.  Sucking was never his fault, always either the OCs who are always to blame otherwise its the HCs fault.  No matter the team, the coaches, the situation.  He fails and his fans blame someone else

i think you're right.  much as sanchez was probably better, talent wise, than his stats show in his case it was all about keeping his head in the game.  imo once he started flirting with the likes of eva longoria, he was toast.  and we'll never know if he could've lived down the buttfumble because he was injured in 2014 thereby paving the way for geno.  the fact that sanchez after such promise can barely hold onto a back up spot speaks volumes.

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rangerous    617

not to put too much creedence in hack first pre-season game but teams tend to play vanilla in the preseason and really are trying to pull out the weeds.  much is being said about the short passes but if that's all there was then it's far better than a sack or even throwing the ball away.  and, who knows, the oc may have dialed it all back to just give him the reps in a game situation.  only a good analysis of the tape will determine if the decisions were truly good.  obviously he'll have to have a good long ball if they are to succeed.  we'll see the attempts in due course.

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Tinstar    2,176

For the 1st 2 weeks of camp, the biggest criticism of Hackenberg was holding on to the ball too long and not being able to orchestrate the huddle . On Saturday night, Hack got rid of the ball quickly and decisively with uncanny accuracy but he called 2 timeouts  that could be considered an issue by not getting the play off quickly enough or a sign of growth for being aware of the play clock while attempting to execute the offense .

Christian Hackenberg has now participated in 3 preseason NFL games and he has played decent, awful and solid in those games .  IMO, he's exactly where I hope he would be and to tell the truth, he might be a little ahead since my initial plan was to have him  in the same offensive scheme to start his 2nd year . 

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Jet Nut    4,560
5 hours ago, SAR I said:

Yeah, that's the boilerplate Sanchez haters speech. 

Never in the history of the team have we had an offensive coordinator as bad as Tony Sparano and wide receivers as bad as Clyde Gates and Chaz Schillens. Shonn Greene weighed 300 pounds.  The OL was dysfunctional. Tim Tebow was a constant distraction. 

That was an atrocious offense, terrible personnel, completely mismanaged by Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan who only cared about defense.   But go ahead, please, tell us again how the most successful quarterback in Jets postseason history and the second best quarterback to ever put on the Jets uniform nosedived because he suddenly got stupid and not as a result of the worst offensive personnel ever put on the field led by the worst OC in team history.  Nah, couldn't have been that.

SAR I

He was a bottom of the league QB who played on a team with the leagues best OL, best running game and the leagues best defense.  Easy to confuse all of that by crediting the worst starting QB in the NFL for the teams success.  

Before Sporano, before Gates.  With Braylon's Edwards, with Santonio Holmes, with a receiving TE.  He sucked.  Just as he sucked in Philly and couldn't even hold onto a backup job.  Like he sucked in Denver and couldn't beat out a 2nd year 7th round pick or a rookie QB and was cut.   It blame Sporano, forget Shotty, forget MM.  it's all because of Sporano.  An OC who Chad played well under, played better than Sanchez ever did. 

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SAR I    4,244
6 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

But don't you know, it's only about the QB.  It's never about the 10 other guys, unless you're Eli Manning and everything gets blames on the OL. 

Reality is, after the Jets made it to their second AFCCG they started getting rid of the veterans that got them there.  Tomlinson, Richardson, Woody, Edwards, Hartsock (I know what you're thinking, but he was an effective blocker).  Then Holmes and Keller were gone.  These guys were replaced by Greene, Conners, Hunter, Hill, Cumberland/Mulligan, Schilens, and other non-notables.  

This.

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SAR I    4,244
5 hours ago, rangerous said:

i think you're right.  much as sanchez was probably better, talent wise, than his stats show in his case it was all about keeping his head in the game.  imo once he started flirting with the likes of eva longoria, he was toast.  and we'll never know if he could've lived down the buttfumble because he was injured in 2014 thereby paving the way for geno.  the fact that sanchez after such promise can barely hold onto a back up spot speaks volumes.

Eva Longoria?  Please.  He was banging Meadow Soprano during the playoff runs, that didn't cause him distraction.

But you are right about his head being messed with.  Let's see what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez after 4 playoff wins and a 16-4 stretch in 20 games:

1.  Tannenbaum flirts with Peyton Manning about signing with the Jets.

2.  Tannenbaum hires Tony Sporano.

3.  Tannenbaum signs Tim Tebow.

4.  Tannenbaum and Ryan ignore the offense and draft completely for defense despite losing their best playmakers to age and free agency.

Yeah, I can see how that can get in someone's head.  And let's not forget the coup de grace:

5.  Ryan Snoopy trophy lust, ends Sanchez career with injury.

We blew it with the kid.  Typical Jets.  Find the best young QB prospect since Namath, treat him like a dog, mess with his confidence, run him out of town, then spend the next 10 years looking to get someone who can hold a candle to him.

SAR I

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Matt39    35,845
1 minute ago, SAR I said:

Eva Longoria?  Please.  He was banging Meadow Soprano during the playoff runs, that didn't cause him distraction.

But you are right about his head being messed with.  Let's see what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez after 4 playoff wins and a 16-4 stretch in 20 games:

1.  Tannenbaum flirts with Peyton Manning about signing with the Jets.

2.  Tannenbaum hires Tony Sporano.

3.  Tannenbaum signs Tim Tebow.

4.  Tannenbaum and Ryan ignore the offense and draft completely for defense despite losing their best playmakers to age and free agency.

Yeah, I can see how that can get in someone's head.  And let's not forget the coup de grace:

5.  Ryan Snoopy trophy lust, ends Sanchez career with injury.

We blew it with the kid.  Typical Jets.  Find the best young QB prospect since Namath, treat him like a dog, mess with his confidence, run him out of town, then spend the next 10 years looking to get someone who can hold a candle to him.

SAR I

So Sanchez bears zero responsibility for his career tanking even further after the Jets?

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SAR I    4,244
2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

He was a bottom of the league QB who played on a team with the leagues best OL, best running game and the leagues best defense.  Easy to confuse all of that by crediting the worst starting QB in the NFL for the teams success.  

Before Sporano, before Gates.  With Braylon's Edwards, with Santonio Holmes, with a receiving TE.  He sucked.  Just as he sucked in Philly and couldn't even hold onto a backup job.  Like he sucked in Denver and couldn't beat out a 2nd year 7th round pick or a rookie QB and was cut.   It blame Sporano, forget Shotty, forget MM.  it's all because of Sporano.  An OC who Chad played well under, played better than Sanchez ever did. 

Wins 4 road playoff games.  He sucks.

Has the highest QBR in team playoff history.  He sucks.

Is the best Jet on the field in consecutive AFC Championship Games.  He sucks.

Is a locker room leader, throws no one under the bus, ever.  He sucks.

Inserted into the lineup at 22 years of age and on an upward arc for his first 2.75 seasons.  He sucks.

Leads us to second best record in team history turning 5 sure losses into 4th quarter wins and 6-10 into 11-5.  He sucks.

After rookie jitters, goes on a 16-4 run in 20 games, best run in team history.  He sucks.

After consecutive playoff years, has the Jets at 8-5 with 3 easy games to go and watches "they carried him!" defense give up 45 points in Philadelpia and Victor Cruz go 99 yards to end our year out of the postseason.  He sucks.

You Mets fans and your millennial-like thin skin make me sick.  Identify as a victim of the Buttfumble on ESPN.  Need a safe space from teasing at the water cooler.  Laud losers like O'Brien and Pennington, condemn winners like Sanchez.

You know, the only guilty pleasure I get out of the Jets current situation is that fans like you get what you've got coming to you.  Took 30 years to find a QB who could handle the playoff pressure and elevate his game in big spots against Championship competition, will probably take another 30 to find the next one.  You wanted life without Mark Sanchez?  You got it.  Having fun?  Geno Smith get you hard?  Got a Ryan Fitzpatrick poster on your wall?  Getting ready to get a custom Hackenberg jersey?  Didn't think so.  You ran the kid out of town.  This is what you wanted.  Enjoy 2-14 for the next few years.  Let me know how it's treating you.

SAR I

 

 

 

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SAR I    4,244
9 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

So Sanchez bears zero responsibility for his career tanking even further after the Jets?

We know two things about Mark Sanchez:

When the team believes in him it elevates his confidence and his level of play.  When a team doesn't believe in him, his psyche cripples him.

He's not the first.  Ask the Atlanta Falcons what they thought of Brett Favre.  Ask the Tampa Bay Bucs how many seasons they wasted on Steve Young.  Surround a quarterback with potential with the right cast, they can be confident and they can be great.  Give them no weapons and a crappy OC and a HC who is looking for a scapegoat, they are awful.

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JohnJ    274
4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

We know two things about Mark Sanchez:

When the team believes in him it elevates his confidence and his level of play.  When a team doesn't believe in him, his psyche cripples him.

He's not the first.  Ask the Atlanta Falcons what they thought of Brett Favre.  Ask the Tampa Bay Bucs how many seasons they wasted on Steve Young.  Surround a quarterback with potential with the right cast, they can be confident and they can be great.  Give them no weapons and a crappy OC and a HC who is looking for a scapegoat, they are awful.

SAR I

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T0mShane    90,835
6 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

But don't you know, it's only about the QB.  It's never about the 10 other guys, unless you're Eli Manning and everything gets blames on the OL. 

Reality is, after the Jets made it to their second AFCCG they started getting rid of the veterans that got them there.  Tomlinson, Richardson, Woody, Edwards, Hartsock (I know what you're thinking, but he was an effective blocker).  Then Holmes and Keller were gone.  These guys were replaced by Greene, Conners, Hunter, Hill, Cumberland/Mulligan, Schilens, and other non-notables.  

Worse than replacing those solid, veteran leaders with "non-notables," Tanny and Rex replaced them with psycho malcontents Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, and Derrick Mason. Mason was so abusive towards Sanchez that they had to cut him a few weeks after Rex claimed he would catch 80 passes here. 

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rangerous    617
20 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Eva Longoria?  Please.  He was banging Meadow Soprano during the playoff runs, that didn't cause him distraction.

But you are right about his head being messed with.  Let's see what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez after 4 playoff wins and a 16-4 stretch in 20 games:

1.  Tannenbaum flirts with Peyton Manning about signing with the Jets.

2.  Tannenbaum hires Tony Sporano.

3.  Tannenbaum signs Tim Tebow.

4.  Tannenbaum and Ryan ignore the offense and draft completely for defense despite losing their best playmakers to age and free agency.

Yeah, I can see how that can get in someone's head.  And let's not forget the coup de grace:

5.  Ryan Snoopy trophy lust, ends Sanchez career with injury.

We blew it with the kid.  Typical Jets.  Find the best young QB prospect since Namath, treat him like a dog, mess with his confidence, run him out of town, then spend the next 10 years looking to get someone who can hold a candle to him.

SAR I

so he wasn't treated as well as he should have with the jets.  what's his excuse afterwards?  it's not like he's lighting it up.  i'm sure if he showed one bit of promise the jets would at least be taking a look.

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20 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Took 30 years to find a QB who could handle the playoff pressure and elevate his game in big spots against Championship competition, will probably take another 30 to find the next one.

Too bad he was sub-par in the regular season, and his performance went down faster than the talent around him went down.  If only he could have elevated those around him, like a Franchise quarterback can...

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You wanted life without Mark Sanchez?  You got it.  Having fun?  Geno Smith get you hard?

Replaced one bad QB with another bad QB.  Plenty more bad QB's came before, many more will come down the road mate.

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You ran the kid out of town.

Yep, fans made the call.  We collectivised ownership of the team for a day, and we cut him.  Historic, really. Totally.  

Big if true, big if true.....

 

 

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FloridaJetsFan    671
We know two things about Mark Sanchez:
When the team believes in him it elevates his confidence and his level of play.  When a team doesn't believe in him, his psyche cripples him.
He's not the first.  Ask the Atlanta Falcons what they thought of Brett Favre.  Ask the Tampa Bay Bucs how many seasons they wasted on Steve Young.  Surround a quarterback with potential with the right cast, they can be confident and they can be great.  Give them no weapons and a crappy OC and a HC who is looking for a scapegoat, they are awful.
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Jet Nut    4,560
1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Wins 4 road playoff games.  He sucks.

Has the highest QBR in team playoff history.  He sucks.

Is the best Jet on the field in consecutive AFC Championship Games.  He sucks.

Is a locker room leader, throws no one under the bus, ever.  He sucks.

Inserted into the lineup at 22 years of age and on an upward arc for his first 2.75 seasons.  He sucks.

Leads us to second best record in team history turning 5 sure losses into 4th quarter wins and 6-10 into 11-5.  He sucks.

After rookie jitters, goes on a 16-4 run in 20 games, best run in team history.  He sucks.

After consecutive playoff years, has the Jets at 8-5 with 3 easy games to go and watches "they carried him!" defense give up 45 points in Philadelpia and Victor Cruz go 99 yards to end our year out of the postseason.  He sucks.

You Mets fans and your millennial-like thin skin make me sick.  Identify as a victim of the Buttfumble on ESPN.  Need a safe space from teasing at the water cooler.  Laud losers like O'Brien and Pennington, condemn winners like Sanchez.

You know, the only guilty pleasure I get out of the Jets current situation is that fans like you get what you've got coming to you.  Took 30 years to find a QB who could handle the playoff pressure and elevate his game in big spots against Championship competition, will probably take another 30 to find the next one.  You wanted life without Mark Sanchez?  You got it.  Having fun?  Geno Smith get you hard?  Got a Ryan Fitzpatrick poster on your wall?  Getting ready to get a custom Hackenberg jersey?  Didn't think so.  You ran the kid out of town.  This is what you wanted.  Enjoy 2-14 for the next few years.  Let me know how it's treating you.

SAR I

 

 

 

He sucked, the team was really good.  Anyone who watched them realized this.  Years later the story has changed, been rewritten.  He was a bottom of the league QB.  Nothing more.  I wanted Sanchez out of the starting spot one year before he wore out his welcome, when it was apparent he would be a never was QB who made nobody around him better, who couldn't lead anyone and who it was whispered put no effort into improving.  

Glad you get pleasure by fans like me who know the game a million times. Ore than fans like you who's main expertise is talking about PSL, which outfit to wear to the game and the imaginary riches you have.  

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Tinstar    2,176
Just now, Jet Nut said:

He sucked, the team was really good.  Anyone who watched them realized this.  Years later the story has changed, been rewritten.  He was a bottom of the league QB.  Nothing more.  

whose  career will end 1st, Sanchez's or Clement  ? 

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Jet Nut    4,560
6 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

whose  career will end 1st, Sanchez's or Clement  ? 

Does Sanchez actually have a career anymore? 

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5 hours ago, SAR I said:

Eva Longoria?  Please.  He was banging Meadow Soprano during the playoff runs, that didn't cause him distraction.

But you are right about his head being messed with.  Let's see what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez after 4 playoff wins and a 16-4 stretch in 20 games:

1.  Tannenbaum flirts with Peyton Manning about signing with the Jets.

2.  Tannenbaum hires Tony Sporano.

3.  Tannenbaum signs Tim Tebow.

4.  Tannenbaum and Ryan ignore the offense and draft completely for defense despite losing their best playmakers to age and free agency.

Yeah, I can see how that can get in someone's head.  And let's not forget the coup de grace:

5.  Ryan Snoopy trophy lust, ends Sanchez career with injury.

We blew it with the kid.  Typical Jets.  Find the best young QB prospect since Namath, treat him like a dog, mess with his confidence, run him out of town, then spend the next 10 years looking to get someone who can hold a candle to him.

SAR I

You're 100% correct.  And the fans want to do the same thing to Hackenberg, hope Macc doesn't take the bait. 

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

He sucked, the team was really good.  Anyone who watched them realized this.  Years later the story has changed, been rewritten.  He was a bottom of the league QB.  Nothing more.  I wanted Sanchez out of the starting spot one year before he wore out his welcome, when it was apparent he would be a never was QB who made nobody around him better, who couldn't lead anyone and who it was whispered put no effort into improving.  

Glad you get pleasure by fans like me who know the game a million times. Ore than fans like you who's main expertise is talking about PSL, which outfit to wear to the game and the imaginary riches you have.  

This is total bullsh*t!  Go back and watch the games that got them into the AFCCGs and the role that Sanchez had in getting them there.  Sanchez was absolutely central to those wins.

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5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Worse than replacing those solid, veteran leaders with "non-notables," Tanny and Rex replaced them with psycho malcontents Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, and Derrick Mason. Mason was so abusive towards Sanchez that they had to cut him a few weeks after Rex claimed he would catch 80 passes here. 

It's beyond me that Tannenbaum was responsible for getting us to the AFCCG twice, but equally responsible for tearing us down.

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RutgersJetFan    84,001
6 hours ago, SAR I said:

You Mets fans and your millennial-like thin skin make me sick.  Identify as a victim of the Buttfumble on ESPN.  Need a safe space from teasing at the water cooler.  Laud losers like O'Brien and Pennington, condemn winners like Sanchez.

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win4ever    1,166

I actually thought he looked decent.  There were some issues, but his mechanics are improved.  Also, some issues with timing and team mates so I would like to see how he does with other players.  

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11 hours ago, SAR I said:

We know two things about Mark Sanchez:

When the team believes in him it elevates his confidence and his level of play.  When a team doesn't believe in him, his psyche cripples him.

He's not the first.  Ask the Atlanta Falcons what they thought of Brett Favre.  Ask the Tampa Bay Bucs how many seasons they wasted on Steve Young.  Surround a quarterback with potential with the right cast, they can be confident and they can be great.  Give them no weapons and a crappy OC and a HC who is looking for a scapegoat, they are awful.

SAR I

What cracks me up about some people on this board is the lack of knowledge about the west coast offense which also can be used as the main reason why QB's or Young QB's here fail so miserably due to the lack of talent and decent schemes. This team in the early years of Sanchez was run run run then when you fall behind expect said QB to just turn on the passing abilities while no real rhythm was established. The constant running probably annoyed Idiots like Santonio Holmes causing locker room and in the huddle distractions which caused further issues for a young QB.

The west coast offense is a short passing ball control offense that tries to limit mistakes, get a QB in rhythm early in the game, and also limits low percentage passes that are completed at an alarmingly low rate. The offense is designed to get the ball into play makers hands at a High percentage so THEY can make plays but in Idiot Jet world this is AKA Dink and Dunk offensive strategy because guys like Bill Walsh and Sean Peyton who exclusively ran this short passing dink and dunk mess didn't know wtf they were doing. I don't see people complaining about Tom Brady's short high percentage passes that continues to succeed. Of course Tom Brady has many more attributes that make him great since he can do just about anything, but his game starts with a short passing game designed to get him in rhythm and his WR's always make plays and play with heart no ther WR's can match Thats Bills plan and his QB who has been in that offense for 17 years executes it with precision because thats all hes been in his entire career 

Why am I talking about West Coast ? Because of the concept of surrounding your QB with talent is what will win in this style of offense

So the other night we watched Hackenberg complete a high percentage of his passes and it gets labeled Dink and Dunk well just Imagine if those dink and dunks are completed to Jerry Rice , John Taylor, Roger Craig or Tom Rathman OR the stable of running backs that Drew Brees had early in his career when he was completing 150 + passes to RB's and enjoying a 70 % comp rating. Think he got that throwing 20 and 30 + yard passes ? Think again. Think anyone would have made comments on the short passing game if the talent around our QB would have lit it up ? Think all the passes would have been dink and dunk if guys started breaking free ? Nope.... it would have opened up the occasional deep pass and it would have been labeled explosive.

The offense we ran against Tennessee  was the perfect offense for a young QB to grow and gain confidence and I can tell you from what Morton learned from past coaches and experiences you can expect much more of that during the season NO MATTER who the starter is. The big Question is will our play makers do enough to make that plan work ? You will see deep passes as soon as you see some success in the short passing game highlighted by the running backs both running and catching passes out of the backfield. 

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1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

What cracks me up about some people on this board is the lack of knowledge about the west coast offense which also can be used as the main reason why QB's or Young QB's here fail so miserably due to the lack of talent and decent schemes. This team in the early years of Sanchez was run run run then when you fall behind expect said QB to just turn on the passing abilities while no real rhythm was established. The constant running probably annoyed Idiots like Santonio Holmes causing locker room and in the huddle distractions which caused further issues for a young QB.

The west coast offense is a short passing ball control offense that tries to limit mistakes, get a QB in rhythm early in the game, and also limits low percentage passes that are completed at an alarmingly low rate. The offense is designed to get the ball into play makers hands at a High percentage so THEY can make plays but in Idiot Jet world this is AKA Dink and Dunk offensive strategy because guys like Bill Walsh and Sean Peyton who exclusively ran this short passing dink and dunk mess didn't know wtf they were doing. I don't see people complaining about Tom Brady's short high percentage passes that continues to succeed. Of course Tom Brady has many more attributes that make him great since he can do just about anything, but his game starts with a short passing game designed to get him in rhythm and his WR's always make plays and play with heart no ther WR's can match Thats Bills plan and his QB who has been in that offense for 17 years executes it with precision because thats all hes been in his entire career 

Why am I talking about West Coast ? Because of the concept of surrounding your QB with talent is what will win in this style of offense

So the other night we watched Hackenberg complete a high percentage of his passes and it gets labeled Dink and Dunk well just Imagine if those dink and dunks are completed to Jerry Rice , John Taylor, Roger Craig or Tom Rathman OR the stable of running backs that Drew Brees had early in his career when he was completing 150 + passes to RB's and enjoying a 70 % comp rating. Think he got that throwing 20 and 30 + yard passes ? Think again. Think anyone would have made comments on the short passing game if the talent around our QB would have lit it up ? Think all the passes would have been dink and dunk if guys started breaking free ? Nope.... it would have opened up the occasional deep pass and it would have been labeled explosive.

The offense we ran against Tennessee  was the perfect offense for a young QB to grow and gain confidence and I can tell you from what Morton learned from past coaches and experiences you can expect much more of that during the season NO MATTER who the starter is. The big Question is will our play makers do enough to make that plan work ? You will see deep passes as soon as you see some success in the short passing game highlighted by the running backs both running and catching passes out of the backfield. 

Completely agree. Furthermore, WC offense is a very nuanced ans complex system which takes time for everyone involved to master. People are going to need to be patient with a young QB/offense/coaching staff while they all get on the same page.

This offense still needs a lot of upgrades at receiver, running back, and oline. This whole season can't be put on Hack's back. The standard for which his season will be deemed a failure or success will be based on a lot more than the stat sheet. 

Lets give it time and see where the team is by season's end before saying they're just gonna dink and dunk and Hack sucks. 

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nycdan    7,622
6 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Completely agree. Furthermore, WC offense is a very nuanced ans complex system which takes time for everyone involved to master. People are going to need to be patient with a young QB/offense/coaching staff while they all get on the same page.

This offense still needs a lot of upgrades at receiver, running back, and oline. This whole season can't be put on Hack's back. The standard for which his season will be deemed a failure or success will be based on a lot more than the stat sheet. 

Lets give it time and see where the team is by season's end before saying they're just gonna dink and dunk and Hack sucks. 

If it doesn't work, can we bring Phil Jackson in to implement the triangle offense?

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39 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Completely agree. Furthermore, WC offense is a very nuanced ans complex system which takes time for everyone involved to master. People are going to need to be patient with a young QB/offense/coaching staff while they all get on the same page.

This offense still needs a lot of upgrades at receiver, running back, and oline. This whole season can't be put on Hack's back. The standard for which his season will be deemed a failure or success will be based on a lot more than the stat sheet. 

Lets give it time and see where the team is by season's end before saying they're just gonna dink and dunk and Hack sucks. 

well the one thing we got going for us is our RB's can now all catch the football unlike what we had in the Sanchez years when no one could catch the football out of the backfield easing the burden on him as a very young QB.

If Hack Shows he can be the next attempt at a franchise QB we need to build the OL and get a dynamic RB in here to open up this offense. We have some real promise at the WR position but with Forte being as old as he is and Powell always being an injury risk we need a RB that can do it all a Bell/Elliot/Johnson type that can be a real threat and take pressure off our young QB. Dak Prescott was the prime example of what a loaded offense and great RB can do for a QB something we have not had here since 2002 or 98 for that matter

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SAR I    4,244
13 hours ago, rangerous said:

so he wasn't treated as well as he should have with the jets.  what's his excuse afterwards?  it's not like he's lighting it up.  i'm sure if he showed one bit of promise the jets would at least be taking a look.

The Jets won't take another look at Sanchez because the pity-party Jets fans and their millennial-like thin skin who need a safe space from Giants fan Buttfumble teasing at the water cooler. 

NFL history is full of quarterbacks who were great in one city and lousy in another or great when supported and lousy when undermined.  Perhaps he's not lighting it up because he was once a 22 year old star in college and a 24 year old GQ coverboy who had the rug pulled out from under him to make him the public scapegoat to ignorant fans who thought Rex Ryan was a quality NFL coach.

Its over now, Mark's not going to be good anywhere.  But it will haunt me forever what could have been if we took that kid who we waited 40 years for and who showed such early promise and put him in a position to win, not a position to lose.  All Jets fans should feel this way.  But they don't.  Because they believe what's fed to them by the media.  Buttfumble humiliation hurts feelings, Sanchez has to go so they're not reminded of it.  Pathetic.

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