Is Bryce Petty eliminated from Jets' quarterback competition?

[Gas2No99]

Is Bryce Petty eliminated from Jets' quarterback competition?

 

 

By Richard  - i

 

 

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The New York Jets began Week 3 of their quarterback competition on Monday, with presumptive starter Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg sharing first-team reps -- same as last week.

Bryce Petty has slipped to a distant third, based on the number of practice reps, but he still has a chance to win the starting job, coach Todd Bowles insisted. By the end of the preseason, Petty will have the same number of game reps as the others, he said. That's because he's probably planning to play Petty for the entire fourth game.

A few takeaways from Monday:

JOSH McCOWN

McCown is a fiery competitor. At one point, he barked at offensive coordinator John Morton, presumably because the play call came in late and didn't leave him enough time to get set and run the play. This wasn't a crisp practice for McCown (8-for-18, four sacks), who misfired on four straight passes in the red zone and sputtered in a two-minute drill.

Wow moment: Early in practice, McCown made a nice back-shoulder pass to rookie ArDarius Stewart. Strong throw, excellent timing, good catch.

Whoa moment: There was a bad/funny moment near the goal line. Elijah McGuire ran a flat route out of the backfield, but never turned his head. McCown's pass hit him in the back of the helmet, conjuring up memories of the time Tim Tebow got doinked in the head in 2012.

CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG

Hackenberg received more reps than McCown (30 to 29), many of them coming with the starters. By having him split the work with McCown, the Jets are trying to do two things: They want to allow McCown to build chemistry with the starters while continuing to feed Hackenberg's development. This probably is the last week they can do that. Next week will be geared toward getting the starters ready.

Wow moment: Hackenberg made a nice throw on the run, rolling right and zipping a completion to Jalin Marshall.

Whoa moment: He didn't have any ugly moments, although there were three sacks. Overall, this wasn't a great day for Hackenberg (8-for-19), but he was victimized by three drops.

BRYCE PETTY

Petty (5-for-8) had only 10 reps -- a typical day. Bowles can say what he wants, but actions speak louder than words.

Wow moment: He rallied from a shaky start, throwing touchdowns on back-to-back plays in a red zone period. Petty was fired up after connecting with Myles White, who miraculously didn't drop it.

Whoa moment: Petty threw two interceptions, both of which came on deflections. Bad luck? Uh, not entirely. The first was a deep heave to Robby Anderson, the second was a forced throw into man-to-man coverage.

[southtown24th]

YES

[varjet]

The OL is too shaky to go into the season with 2 QBs.

Petty makes the 53, if often inactive but starts 2-4 games.

i would have liked to see him upgraded, but let's see about next year. 

[Barkus]

Petty got his shot last year and he was pretty terrible and was injured twice. There is a strong possibility he never throws a regular season pass again in the NFL (or at least for the Jets),

according to semeni hack had 3 drops. So he would have been 11/19 58% comp with 2td and 0 picks, that is a good day in my book!

[Gas2No99]

Petty may still be eligible for the Practice Squad (was 3rd String QB in '15 which does not count) and only played in 6 games in 2016 which JUST MEETS the maximum requirement to still be eligible for the Practice Squad. 

 

A player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons; he is eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment, or have no prior accrued seasons in the NFL (an accrued season is six or more games on the active roster); or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience on a club's 53-man active roster. If the player was on the active list for fewer than 9 games during their "only accrued season(s)", he maintains his eligibility for the practice squad. Games in which a player is listed as the third-string quarterback (a designation that has been abolished as of 2011) do not count as being on the active list

The REAL question is whether or not Petty would LAST on the PS or could he be snatched up by another team who find themselves with a dearth of QBs due to injuries Mid-season and sign him away from us due to having SOME live action. 

[Spoot-Face]

The question should be: "Was he ever really in the competition to begin with?"

And the answer to that question is a resounding:

"Bitch, please"

[varjet]

9 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Petty may still be eligible for the Practice Squad (was 3rd String QB in '15 which does not count) and only played in 6 games in 2016 which JUST MEETS the maximum requirement to still be eligible for the Practice Squad. 

 

A player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons; he is eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment, or have no prior accrued seasons in the NFL (an accrued season is six or more games on the active roster); or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience on a club's 53-man active roster. If the player was on the active list for fewer than 9 games during their "only accrued season(s)", he maintains his eligibility for the practice squad. Games in which a player is listed as the third-string quarterback (a designation that has been abolished as of 2011) do not count as being on the active list

The REAL question is whether or not Petty would LAST on the PS or could he be snatched up by another team who find themselves with a dearth of QBs and sign him away from us. 

To sign someone off a practice squad you need to put him on the roster.   Teams are stingy with QBs on their rosters.   They are not signing Petty. 

[Gas2No99]

18 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

The question should be: "Was he ever really in the competition to begin with?"

And the answer to that question is a resounding:

"Bitch, please"

 

Versus the Rams:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	19	32	163	1	1	1	6	52	70.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Colts in 2nd Half:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	11	25	135	1	2	1	2	40	41.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the 49ers ForTheWIN!:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	23	35	257	0	1	6	41	40	75.5	4	19	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Fins where he was literally THROWN to the WOLVES behind that OLine:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	20	36	235	1	2	3	22	40	61.7	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1

 

Career:

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
2016	25	NYJ	qb	9	6	4	1-3-0	133	73	67	57	54	74	74	47	74	56
Career					6	4	1-3-0	133

 

Considering he was behind an ATROCIOUS OLine and only having UDFA-Rookie Richie Anderson and H-Back/#3WR Enunwa as the ONLY VIABLE receiving targets, HOW can you point to last year and declare he's shown what he can ACTUALLY do? For a guy who came from a SandLot college program, Petty fared well CONSIDERING all the other factors that led to a ROUGH debut for him as a QB. He has a career completion % of 74%, not bad when taking into account HOW MUCH he had to digest and process from the College level to the Pros. 

Petty may need some more time to bulk up to absorb the blows of being an NFL QB, but he's not some lost cause like some sophists  here on this forum.

[Gas2No99]

16 minutes ago, varjet said:

To sign someone off a practice squad you need to put him on the roster.   Teams are stingy with QBs on their rosters.   They are not signing Petty. 

Which was MY POINT. 

We don't have to necessarily cut bait with him after we've "developed" him for the past 2 years and Petty SHOULD, AT LEAST, be considered for the PS squad if the Jets don't carry 3 QBs. 

[T0mShane]

Petty should beg for his release at this point. He'll get picked up by someone, and it's clear they're going to shoehorn Hackenberg into the lineup whether he deserves it or not.

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, Gas2No99 said:

 

By Richard  - i

man oh man, I would not want to be Rich Cimini right now!

[Beerfish]

He was never in the competition imo.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, southtown24th said:

YES

Yes.

[Spoot-Face]

40 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

 

Versus the Rams:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	19	32	163	1	1	1	6	52	70.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Colts in 2nd Half:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	11	25	135	1	2	1	2	40	41.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the 49ers ForTheWIN!:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	23	35	257	0	1	6	41	40	75.5	4	19	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Fins where he was literally THROWN to the WOLVES behind that OLine:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	20	36	235	1	2	3	22	40	61.7	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1

 

Career:

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
2016	25	NYJ	qb	9	6	4	1-3-0	133	73	67	57	54	74	74	47	74	56
Career					6	4	1-3-0	133

 

Considering he was behind an ATROCIOUS OLine and only having UDFA-Rookie Richie Anderson and H-Back/#3WR Enunwa as the ONLY VIABLE receiving targets, HOW can you point to last year and declare he's shown what he can ACTUALLY do? For a guy who came from a SandLot college program, Petty fared well CONSIDERING all the other factors that led to a ROUGH debut for him as a QB. He has a career completion % of 74%, not bad when taking into account HOW MUCH he had to digest and process from the College level to the Pros. 

Petty may need some more time to bulk up to absorb the blows of being an NFL QB, but he's not some lost cause like some sophists  here on this forum.

Yeah, um, my point wasn't that Petty shouldn't be in the competition, but that he's just simply not in the competition.

There's a difference there.

[win4ever]

He may not be in the competition, because it makes more sense for them to give Hackenberg the shot (more controlled years) but I think people are dismissing the pre-season game a bit too quickly.  He didn't look good, but that line is also misleading.  I would love to see him more as the No. 2, as I have no desire to see McCown play a meaningful down.  

[Gas2No99]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

Yeah, um, my point wasn't that Petty shouldn't be in the competition, but that he's just simply not in the competition.

There's a difference there.

duly noted. 

[Augustiniak]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Petty should beg for his release at this point. He'll get picked up by someone

no he won't.  there's a reason he's the #3 qb on a team that has arguably the worst qbs in the nfl.  

[Joe Jets fan]

10 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

 

Versus the Rams:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	19	32	163	1	1	1	6	52	70.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Colts in 2nd Half:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	11	25	135	1	2	1	2	40	41.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the 49ers ForTheWIN!:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	23	35	257	0	1	6	41	40	75.5	4	19	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Fins where he was literally THROWN to the WOLVES behind that OLine:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	20	36	235	1	2	3	22	40	61.7	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1

 

Career:

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
2016	25	NYJ	qb	9	6	4	1-3-0	133	73	67	57	54	74	74	47	74	56
Career					6	4	1-3-0	133

 

Considering he was behind an ATROCIOUS OLine and only having UDFA-Rookie Richie Anderson and H-Back/#3WR Enunwa as the ONLY VIABLE receiving targets, HOW can you point to last year and declare he's shown what he can ACTUALLY do? For a guy who came from a SandLot college program, Petty fared well CONSIDERING all the other factors that led to a ROUGH debut for him as a QB. He has a career completion % of 74%, not bad when taking into account HOW MUCH he had to digest and process from the College level to the Pros. 

Petty may need some more time to bulk up to absorb the blows of being an NFL QB, but he's not some lost cause like some sophists  here on this forum.

Why is the terrible oline excuse good for Petty but not acceptable for Hack at Penn St??

[Augustiniak]

9 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Why is the terrible oline excuse good for Petty but not acceptable for Hack at Penn St??

because rotoworld and bleacher report say so.

[jetspenguin]

14 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Why is the terrible oline excuse good for Petty but not acceptable for Hack at Penn St??

maybe because Hack's Oline in college was not comparable to a college line much less a pro nfl Oline. The line we had last year was bad but not so bad we had to convert defensive lineman to play on the line...c'mon, you knew better before you even hit submit. 

[MaxAF]

It would seem like Hack is their guy. Petty is no longer in the running for the starting position. If Hack pans out, and he will, McCown will more than likely be gone next year and Petty will be #2 which is ok with me

[Augustiniak]

7 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

It would seem like Hack is their guy. Petty is no longer in the running for the starting position. If Hack pans out, and he will, McCown will more than likely be gone next year and Petty will be #2 which is ok with me

i don't think petty is on the roster next year and there's no guarantee he is on it this year.  

[Scott Dierking]

10 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

 

Versus the Rams:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	19	32	163	1	1	1	6	52	70.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Colts in 2nd Half:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	11	25	135	1	2	1	2	40	41.2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the 49ers ForTheWIN!:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	23	35	257	0	1	6	41	40	75.5	4	19	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

Versus the Fins where he was literally THROWN to the WOLVES behind that OLine:

Player	Tm	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sacked	Yds	Lng	Rate	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Tgt	Rec	Yds	TD	Lng	Fmb	FL
Bryce Petty	NYJ	20	36	235	1	2	3	22	40	61.7	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1

 

Career:

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
2016	25	NYJ	qb	9	6	4	1-3-0	133	73	67	57	54	74	74	47	74	56
Career					6	4	1-3-0	133

 

Considering he was behind an ATROCIOUS OLine and only having UDFA-Rookie Richie Anderson and H-Back/#3WR Enunwa as the ONLY VIABLE receiving targets, HOW can you point to last year and declare he's shown what he can ACTUALLY do? For a guy who came from a SandLot college program, Petty fared well CONSIDERING all the other factors that led to a ROUGH debut for him as a QB. He has a career completion % of 74%, not bad when taking into account HOW MUCH he had to digest and process from the College level to the Pros. 

Petty may need some more time to bulk up to absorb the blows of being an NFL QB, but he's not some lost cause like some sophists  here on this forum.

-So, when it is pointed out that Hackenberg in college was placed behind a dismal line and miscast in system, it is excuse-making and not being science-like by resident geniuses.

-When Petty struggles behind the same in the pros, it is "faring well".

God love America and its freedom of speech and ideas.

[Scott Dierking]

11 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

The question should be: "Was he ever really in the competition to begin with?"

And the answer to that question is a resounding:

"Bitch, please"

Line  Petty vs Hack in a simple pro-style competition of skills and Petty only wins in "hand-size" and ability to "keep reporters safe" and ability to make the ball "wet in bodies of water".

Other than that they do not compare.

[T0mShane]

46 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

no he won't.  there's a reason he's the #3 qb on a team that has arguably the worst qbs in the nfl.  

Becauuuuse he's on a team that has a historically demonstrable inability to identify and/or develop good quarterbacks? 

[Integrity28]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Becauuuuse he's on a team that has a historically demonstrable inability to identify and/or develop good quarterbacks? 

This, right here.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Becauuuuse he's on a team that has a historically demonstrable inability to identify and/or develop good quarterbacks? 

Current regime has only been in place for 3 years (actually 2 years of results). What happened in previous regimes is inconsequential. 

Bad job by this regime in hiring Gailey to be a caretaker for this area of the team That is a major downgrade for what they have done. But we can't look backwards at this point. They are here today and will be  graded on what happens moving forward.

If Hack is not a serviceable qb at the end of this year, or they have not completed the evaluation for that criteria, they will have failed and should be judged on that. Not a woe- be-gone approach of it can't happen. 

Sorry, but the science is not there on that one.

[nycdan]

But if Hack is not the answer and they never gave Petty enough of an opportunity to determine if he could be, then they failed twice.  All I'm looking for is that Petty get at least a decent opportunity in one of the next two PS games to play in the 1st half.  

OR have TB come out and say he is not in the mix.  But don't sell us bullsh*t that it's still open and not play him, Todd.  We've seen enough of that.

[JetBlue]

40 minutes ago, nycdan said:

But if Hack is not the answer and they never gave Petty enough of an opportunity to determine if he could be, then they failed twice.  All I'm looking for is that Petty get at least a decent opportunity in one of the next two PS games to play in the 1st half.  

OR have TB come out and say he is not in the mix.  But don't sell us bullsh*t that it's still open and not play him, Todd.  We've seen enough of that.

If Hack is not the answer, then we will be drafting a quarterback with one of top 3 or 4 picks.   Petty was never really a consideration regardless of what the CS said.  

[Gas2No99]

1 hour ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Why is the terrible oline excuse good for Petty but not acceptable for Hack at Penn St??

 

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

-So, when it is pointed out that Hackenberg in college was placed behind a dismal line and miscast in system, it is excuse-making and not being science-like by resident geniuses.

-When Petty struggles behind the same in the pros, it is "faring well".

God love America and its freedom of speech and ideas.

You both are barking up the wrong tree. Take it up with the idiots who do nothing but crap on this team, its QB Situation, and contradict themselves w/the fodder you two "Hawkings" just stated.

[drsamuel84]

With the youth movement strategy this team is taking there's absoultely no benefit to not at least keeping the guy on the roster to at least see if he can develop into a viable back up.  I'm in no way fooled into thinking he's going to all of a sudden figure it out but with the investment of a 4th rd. pick along with the two years we already spend developing him...Why not keep him around this year and let him compete for a back up job next year with a McCown type vet and either Hack or our newly drafted QB as our #1.  

[MaxAF]

1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

i don't think petty is on the roster next year and there's no guarantee he is on it this year.  

That's a good possibility. Maybe they draft a QB next year but I have a feeling the Jets are going to win more games than many are thinking. Need to be in the bottom 3 to get one of the QB prospects and I personally don't see them there unless injuries puts them down.

[August]

I see lots of contradictions 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Current regime has only been in place for 3 years (actually 2 years of results). What happened in previous regimes is inconsequential. 

Bad job by this regime in hiring Gailey to be a caretaker for this area of the team That is a major downgrade for what they have done. But we can't look backwards at this point. They are here today and will be  graded on what happens moving forward.

If Hack is not a serviceable qb at the end of this year, or they have not completed the evaluation for that criteria, they will have failed and should be judged on that. Not a woe- be-gone approach of it can't happen. 

Sorry, but the science is not there on that one.

I agree. Except for that thing and that thing and that other thing this is like an entirely new thing.

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Becauuuuse he's on a team that has a historically demonstrable inability to identify and/or develop good quarterbacks? 

wow SOJF