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The two safeties vs Watson/Mahomes and Cook

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2 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Name one rookie QB that's was drafted in the 1st 2 rounds that isn't ? 

I still don't understand why our two most recent GMs decided to risk their careers by going all-in on two highly-flawed QBs. If you're going to stake your name on a QB, go big or go home. 

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4 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

I've been loud since April that we missed a golden opportunity by passing on something special with a Deshaun Watson - Dalvin Cook duo in place for the 2 safeties. 

If we could re-do things, how many ppl would take a Watson/Mahomes and Cook combo over our two safeties?

2nd question: should Macc be shown the door for passing on the above duo for two safeties and a piss poor "qb of the future" prospect that most avg fans posting here knew would never amount to crap as an NFL passer?

I would have done it the first time around.

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4 hours ago, ASH1962 said:

You guys think Watson, Brady, Rodgers, Marino, Montana or any QB would survive behind that OL that we watched last night?

No doubt the bad oline was a major factor in yesterday's failure.  But be honest here.  I've watched every move Hack has made on the field in the 2 games. Even when everyone said how he didn't look terrible in game 1, and I;ll agree with that, he sure as hell didn't look good either.  Good QBs show some sign of glimmer, even with a sub standard oline.  Hackenburg has shown essentially nothing.  He managed those super fast checkdowns in game 1, no doubt many were supposed to go that way, but he must have been shell shocked at Penn, because he doesn't handle pass rush too well.  Frankly, from what we've seen he's not even good enough to overtake McCown in a 'tank' season .  That says a lot right there.  McCown will start the first month of the season.  There will be a point when either injury or sucktitude will bench him for Hack or Petty.  

p.s.  I call it a tank season because management (translation: most lieky Woody) has set up to be a tank-season by removing every modicum of talent from the roster. No GM does such a thing without orders from ownership. If there were a few dollars to be saved, Forte would be gone too.  

Now the drafting.... that I blame squarely on Macagnan.  We fans are totally f-cked by every level of management... from owner to head coach.  It never seems to end. 

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18 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

I still don't understand why our two most recent GMs decided to risk their careers by going all-in on two highly-flawed QBs. If you're going to stake your name on a QB, go big or go home. 

Because they didn't have any QBs on the rosters, and they took what was available to them.  Nobody used any 1st round picks.  So nobody "staked" their careers on anything. 

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Just now, Lil Woody said:

Because they didn't have any QBs on the rosters, and they took what was available to them.  Nobody used any 1st round picks.  So nobody "staked" their careers on anything. 

It's semantics. You draft a QB in the first two rounds and you're effectively going all-in on them. Idzik and Maccagnan have showed zero appetite to look at QBs outside of the ones they drafted early. Point being, if you're gonna waste a top 50 pick drafting a QB, you might as well draft one you're not going to be disgusted by after three weeks.

 

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38 minutes ago, j4jets said:

You need leadership traits with your 6th overall pick. Who cares about franchise QBs? Now just watch Adams transform this young group into the 85 Bears squad!

Which franchise QB were you pushing for at 6?  Who was a cant miss, franchise QB.  Which one? You keep blabbing but never give us the QB who was going to change things.

Pretty much all you can do is talk negative and make fun of the fact that everywhere the kid goes hes a leader.  To a true devoted fan thats an open door to make fun of the pick.

 

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7 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

It's semantics. You draft a QB in the first two rounds and you're effectively going all-in on them. Idzik and Maccagnan have showed zero appetite to look at QBs outside of the ones they drafted early. Point being, if you're gonna waste a top 50 pick drafting a QB, you might as well draft one you're not going to be disgusted by after three weeks.

 

Pure and utter fantasy talk.  How do you know Macc has zero appetite to look ar QBs?  He drafted one in each of his first two drafts.  That he probably didnt like anyone available at 6 has you convinced its a character flaw in the GM.  Doesnt come close to meaning that he is all in on Hack and wouldnt draft someone he thinks is a better prospect.  

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15 minutes ago, Dcat said:

No doubt the bad oline was a major factor in yesterday's failure.  But be honest here.  I've watched every move Hack has made on the field in the 2 games. Even when everyone said how he didn't look terrible in game 1, and I;ll agree with that, he sure as hell didn't look good either.  Good QBs show some sign of glimmer, even with a sub standard oline.  Hackenburg has shown essentially nothing.  He managed those super fast checkdowns in game 1, no doubt many were supposed to go that way, but he must have been shell shocked at Penn, because he doesn't handle pass rush too well.  Frankly, from what we've seen he's not even good enough to overtake McCown in a 'tank' season .  That says a lot right there.  McCown will start the first month of the season.  There will be a point when either injury or sucktitude will bench him for Hack or Petty.  

p.s.  I call it a tank season because management (translation: most lieky Woody) has set up to be a tank-season by removing every modicum of talent from the roster. No GM does such a thing without orders from ownership. If there were a few dollars to be saved, Forte would be gone too.  

Now the drafting.... that I blame squarely on Macagnan.  We fans are totally f-cked by every level of management... from owner to head coach.  It never seems to end. 

If you think this way, if you look at a good first game by Hack and dont see imaginary glimmers, then yes you are fu(ked.  Im not a fu(ked fan, I get that some feel they are because they cant understand how a 22 year old QB getting his first real game experience could somehow, amazingly, be inconsistent playing behind a sieve of an OL, without a running game or with a WR worth a damn. How he must suck and how fuc(ked fans are. lol

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46 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Patrick Mahomes is the guy who will haunt us for years. He's light years ahead of Hackenberg.

Sure he will, the same way everyone said Lynch would.

And now its either Watson or Mahomes.  

 

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While I read these threads it's comical to imagine if the Jets had drafted Carr this place would have exploded in expletives. "How the f*ck could you draft another Carr!", "You didn't watch his brother?", I mean seriously, there are already posts declaring Adams a bust after the 2nd preseason game, lol.

Jets will have the number 1 pick in the draft. Maybe they can steal Garapalo, trade the #1 for a Cowboys Walker like trade that will propel them for the next 15 years. Even if the Jets kept Marshall, Decker, Harris, Mangold, they still win what? 5 games same as last year. We're tanking properly using the 2017 season to get some young guys, Adams, Maye, Shell, Jenkins, Lee, Stewart, Legette, Hansen, McGuire up to speed. This is a red shirt year for all of them, absolutely zero pressure, just go play boys.

Jet fans are complaining when we're actually going to develop some young pups & put ourselves in a position to finally have at least the opportunity to draft a top college QB. As long as the Pats don't win another Super Bowl I'm 100% fine with it. We've missed out on some fine players based on meaningless week 17 wins (OBJ anyone?), thanks Rex! Just tank properly, that's all I ask.

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57 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

It's semantics. You draft a QB in the first two rounds and you're effectively going all-in on them. Idzik and Maccagnan have showed zero appetite to look at QBs outside of the ones they drafted early. Point being, if you're gonna waste a top 50 pick drafting a QB, you might as well draft one you're not going to be disgusted by after three weeks.

 

that is completely untrue for 2nd round picks.  I guess we were all-in on Clemens too?  He was a round 2 QB.  2nd round QBs have a low% chance to become a starter in the top half of the league.

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Which franchise QB were you pushing for at 6?  Who was a cant miss, franchise QB.  Which one? You keep blabbing but never give us the QB who was going to change things.
Pretty much all you can do is talk negative and make fun of the fact that everywhere the kid goes hes a leader.  To a true devoted fan thats an open door to make fun of the pick.
 


The only QB I wanted in this draft was Mahomes. Whether it was at 6 or 10 doesn't matter. He was the only one I would have drafted.


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4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

 


The only QB I wanted in this draft was Mahomes. Whether it was at 6 or 10 doesn't matter. He was the only one I would have drafted.


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Especially since he went before our turn at 6.  He wasn't an option for us.  And Trubinski is in no way a can't miss franchise QB.  None of the QBs this year were, that's the point.  Next year none of these QBs, Trubinski, Watson or Mahomes is guaranteed to go in the first. 

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Especially since he went before our turn at 6.  He wasn't an option for us.  And Trubinski is in no way a can't miss franchise QB.  None of the QBs this year were, that's the point.  Next year none of these QBs, Trubinski, Watson or Mahomes is guaranteed to go in the first. 


What are you talking about? Mahomes was drafted at 10. We passed on him at 6.


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1 hour ago, Jack Straw said:

 


What are you talking about? Mahomes was drafted at 10. We passed on him at 6.


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 No one was taking Mahomes at 6.  A month earlier he wasn't going in the first round.  Now fans have decided he worth it at 6.  

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 No one was taking Mahomes at 6.  A month earlier he wasn't going in the first round.  Now fans have decided he worth it at 6.  


Ahhhhh right. He's not worth the sixth pick in the draft but he's worth two 1st's and a 3rd round pick. Makes sense.


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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

While I read these threads it's comical to imagine if the Jets had drafted Carr this place would have exploded in expletives. "How the f*ck could you draft another Carr!"

2017 was an excellent draft.  The Cleveland friggin Browns assembled a good core in just the first two rounds.  And we are screwing around with two mediocre safeties

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15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

 No one was taking Mahomes at 6.  A month earlier he wasn't going in the first round.  Now fans have decided he worth it at 6.  

So?  We could have had Kizer in round 2

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5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Which franchise QB were you pushing for at 6?  Who was a cant miss, franchise QB.  Which one? You keep blabbing but never give us the QB who was going to change things.

Pretty much all you can do is talk negative and make fun of the fact that everywhere the kid goes hes a leader.  To a true devoted fan thats an open door to make fun of the pick.

 

Let's see. Mahomes and Deshaun Watson for a start. Last time a safety took a team to the Super Bowl was never. Do I really have to spell it out? I didn't scout Mahomes or Deshaun but it seems like whoever scouted them, were pretty confident taking them in the upper half of the draft. Save me the "leader" bs. I don't want a leader with the 6th overall pick. I want a top notch player that can potentially turn this franchise around. Not a freaking safety. If Mahomes and Deshaun become pro bowl caliber players, I don't care if Adams becomes the next Ed Reed. He's not EVER going to put the team on his back and lead them to the SB. Never. If by any miracle we do ever make it to one and win one, it won't be because of a safety. Your roster is sh*t. You have no QB worth a crap. You dumped all your WRs. You failed at every corner you signed and spent a boatload of money, you haven't drafted a half decent 2nd rounder. You're tanking in year 3. And you draft a safety at #6??? AYFK me right now? A freaking safety to supposedly save this franchise?? What are we, a safety away from becoming a contender? A safety? And here you are sucking Macs balls calling out posters who think this FO and CS stinks. 

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6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Which franchise QB were you pushing for at 6?  Who was a cant miss, franchise QB.  Which one? You keep blabbing but never give us the QB who was going to change things.

Pretty much all you can do is talk negative and make fun of the fact that everywhere the kid goes hes a leader.  To a true devoted fan thats an open door to make fun of the pick.

 

Watson or Mahomes.

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8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Which franchise QB were you pushing for at 6?  Who was a cant miss, franchise QB.  Which one? You keep blabbing but never give us the QB who was going to change things.

Pretty much all you can do is talk negative and make fun of the fact that everywhere the kid goes hes a leader.  To a true devoted fan thats an open door to make fun of the pick.

 

Guaranteed if we'd have picked one of those QB's at 6 then all we'd be hearing is how Maccagnan could've gotten them later in the draft and should'very magically traded back so we could've gotten OJHoward AND Dalvin Cook as well as the QB

 

It's not Woody, Bowles, Maccagnan or the team that make being a Jet fan so hard....it's other Jets 'fans'

 

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6 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

 


Ahhhhh right. He's not worth the sixth pick in the draft but he's worth two 1st's and a 3rd round pick. Makes sense.


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No it makes no sense.  He's not with 2 1sts and. 3rd either

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3 hours ago, j4jets said:

Let's see. Mahomes and Deshaun Watson for a start. Last time a safety took a team to the Super Bowl was never. Do I really have to spell it out? I didn't scout Mahomes or Deshaun but it seems like whoever scouted them, were pretty confident taking them in the upper half of the draft. Save me the "leader" bs. I don't want a leader with the 6th overall pick. I want a top notch player that can potentially turn this franchise around. Not a freaking safety. If Mahomes and Deshaun become pro bowl caliber players, I don't care if Adams becomes the next Ed Reed. He's not EVER going to put the team on his back and lead them to the SB. Never. If by any miracle we do ever make it to one and win one, it won't be because of a safety. Your roster is sh*t. You have no QB worth a crap. You dumped all your WRs. You failed at every corner you signed and spent a boatload of money, you haven't drafted a half decent 2nd rounder. You're tanking in year 3. And you draft a safety at #6??? AYFK me right now? A freaking safety to supposedly save this franchise?? What are we, a safety away from becoming a contender? A safety? And here you are sucking Macs balls calling out posters who think this FO and CS stinks. 

Plenty of QBs are picked early and fail.  The board cried for P Lynch a year ago because Elway scouted him.  He sucks.  So how many shltty first round QBs win SBs?  You make it sound like all you need to do is draft a guy in the first and you're in.  Like Bortles.  Like RGIII?  Which S? Ed Reed, shltty QB and Reed won.  Ronnie Lott won.  

Theyre rebuilding, if you haven't gotten this it's on you.

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1 hour ago, redlichtie said:

Guaranteed if we'd have picked one of those QB's at 6 then all we'd be hearing is how Maccagnan could've gotten them later in the draft and should'very magically traded back so we could've gotten OJHoward AND Dalvin Cook as well as the QB

 

It's not Woody, Bowles, Maccagnan or the team that make being a Jet fan so hard....it's other Jets 'fans'

 

So true.  The whine level is so high

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7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 No one was taking Mahomes at 6.  A month earlier he wasn't going in the first round.  Now fans have decided he worth it at 6.  

Lol, I decided that in October.  And if you want to know what I really would have done on draft day is tried to call the Panthers, and scare the sh*t out of them that someone called from 9-12 looking to move up to get McCafferry because everyone, and their mother knew they were taking him, wanted him, and probably would have gave you a 3rd to swap 6 to 8, then grab Mahomes, and have an extra 3rd to build around him.

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

No it makes no sense.  He's not with 2 1sts and. 3rd either

As much as my Mahomes trolling is pissing people off, and saying it's to early to declare him a franchise QB, then it's fair to say it's to early to definitively declare what the Chiefs gave up for him to make no sense.  If he wins them 1 Super Bowl in the next 15 years it was worth it period.

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44 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

As much as my Mahomes trolling is pissing people off, and saying it's to early to declare him a franchise QB, then it's fair to say it's to early to definitively declare what the Chiefs gave up for him to make no sense.  If he wins them 1 Super Bowl in the next 15 years it was worth it period.

Mahomes has looked better than all our QB's I think thats the issue right now. 

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