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I am happy with the picks honestly and truely. Not to take away from any of the other guys in the draft. We can only take one per round without trading for more we can't get all the good players in the draft...our guys are good and it should be clear we are looking to build next year. As for showing macc the door I think he is a good gm bowles should be the fall guy and we should give macc a shot at bringing his own coach in

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1 minute ago, bealeb319 said:

I am happy with the picks honestly and truely. Not to take away from any of the other guys in the draft. We can only take one per round without trading for more we can't get all the good players in the draft...our guys are good and it should be clear we are looking to build next year. As for showing macc the door I think he is a good gm bowles should be the fall guy and we should give macc a shot at bringing his own coach in

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If you don't have a competent QB, football is farting into the wind without a parachute. Mixed metaphors aside, no excuse to sit pat on the garbagio we have behind center.

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If you don't have a competent QB, football is farting into the wind without a parachute. Mixed metaphors aside, no excuse to sit pat on the garbagio we have behind center.


And the point in bring in any qb to play behind our current offensive line with the weapons we have availible right now would be what? We can't fix the entire offense at this point we might as well see who is worth making part of our rebuild at least that is productive.

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And the point in bring in any qb to play behind our current offensive line with the weapons we have availible right now would be what? We can't fix the entire offense at this point we might as well see who is worth making part of our rebuild at least that is productive.

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So basically a PROFESSIONAL PERSONNEL EVALUATOR gets a pass because picking a good QB would be futile. I wish you were my boss!

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So basically a PROFESSIONAL PERSONNEL EVALUATOR gets a pass because picking a good QB would be futile. I wish you were my boss!


No one should get a pass. If there is another young kid available who they think they could develop that would be the right option. Taking a washed up bum and putting him behind a bad oline with no receivers to throw to is just silly.

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No one should get a pass. If there is another young kid available who they think they could develop that would be the right option. Taking a washed up bum and putting him behind a bad oline with no receivers to throw to is just silly.

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Again, it's his job to find something other than a washed up bum. It's called a draft. So go and do well in it or go flip burgers. Macc failed. Send him to Denny's.

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Again, it's his job to find something other than a washed up bum. It's called a draft. So go and do well in it or go flip burgers. Macc failed. Send him to Denny's.


Mac got some pretty decent players. Yea he had two first round picks basically fall into his lap but he has found us some gems in the later rounds. He also had done a decent job in bringing in productive players for cheap. Fitz did a great job with us his first season we all know with hindsight we should have let him walk after that but we were close to the playoffs for a late pick. Brandon marshal for a 5th was great value. I feel like you are trying to blame the wrong person for our failures the coaching staff is who I believe you should be upset with.

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1 minute ago, bealeb319 said:

 


Mac got some pretty decent players. Yea he had two first round picks basically fall into his lap but he has found us some gems in the later rounds. He also had done a decent job in bringing in productive players for cheap. Fitz did a great job with us his first season we all know with hindsight we should have let him walk after that but we were close to the playoffs for a late pick. Brandon marshal for a 5th was great value. I feel like you are trying to blame the wrong person for our failures the coaching staff is who I believe you should be upset with.

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He shouldn't have let Fitz walk. But it's clear his backup plan was doo doo. That's just not excusable. 

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He shouldn't have let Fitz walk. But it's clear his backup plan was doo doo. That's just not excusable. 

His backup plan was to use geno as a backup and develop petty and hack. Before geno got his jaw broken fitz wasn't in the picture and geno was going to start while we develop petty so having your clear cut winner as a backup while a guy who almost brought us to the playoffs after a fantastic season while you develop two young kids with upside is a bad plan?

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3 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:


His backup plan was to use geno as a backup and develop petty and hack. Before geno got his jaw broken fitz wasn't in the picture and geno was going to start while we develop petty so having your clear cut winner as a backup while a guy who almost brought us to the playoffs after a fantastic season while you develop two young kids with upside is a bad plan?

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And rebuttal including the word "Geno" gets an auto Butt Fumble. Sorry mate, site rules. Welcome to JN.

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And rebuttal including the word "Geno" gets an auto Butt Fumble. Sorry mate, site rules. Welcome to JN.


Been here awhile now I would ask what the other options were but I already know I won't get a plausible answer.

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Been here awhile now I would ask what the other options were but I already know I won't get a plausible answer.

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You're treating this like a debate. It isn't about what I would do. Who am I? A nobody fan. When the professional personnel evaluation people fail at personnel evaluation, they gotz ta go. Period end of story.

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You're treating this like a debate. It isn't about what I would do. Who am I? A nobody fan. When the professional personnel evaluation people fail at personnel evaluation, they gotz ta go. Period end of story.


It's not about what you would do but the thing is there were no real options that made sense. Teams either have good qbs fall in their lap in the draft or they take a wild swing and get super lucky and hit on one but when they miss they look foolish. If a team thinks a guy like Russel Wilson or dak prescot could be a viable starter they would be drafted in round 1 because it is the most important position on the field. When a team gets a guy who can play well at the position they don't get rid of them.

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3 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

 


It's not about what you would do but the thing is there were no real options that made sense. Teams either have good qbs fall in their lap in the draft or they take a wild swing and get super lucky and hit on one but when they miss they look foolish. If a team thinks a guy like Russel Wilson or dak prescot could be a viable starter they would be drafted in round 1 because it is the most important position on the field. When a team gets a guy who can play well at the position they don't get rid of them.

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Imagine you're CFO of a major corporation and you've just been promoted to CEO. You know absolutely nothing about Operations but every team meeting your Head of Operations is telling you the assembly line is still down due to a rash of new problems each week. Do you defer to his expertise or can him and bring in someone else?

You don't have to be an expert to spot failure.

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Imagine you're CFO of a major corporation and you've just been promoted to CEO. You know absolutely nothing about Operations but every team meeting your Head of Operations is telling you the assembly line is still down due to a rash of new problems each week. Do you defer to his expertise or can him and bring in someone else?
You don't have to be an expert to spot failure.

You are comparing Apple's to oranges. A football team has many parts our team has tons of broken parts when macc inherited the team if you are comparing the jets to a machine then we had too many broken parts to fix in a year and some of those parts had been on backorder. It wouldn't matter who you bring in to fix the machine because without at least the ability to duct tape the parts together the machine will not be able to function

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3 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:


You are comparing Apple's to oranges. A football team has many parts our team has tons of broken parts when macc inherited the team if you are comparing the jets to a machine then we had too many broken parts to fix in a year and some of those parts had been on backorder. It wouldn't matter who you bring in to fix the machine because without at least the ability to duct tape the parts together the machine will not be able to function

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No, what I am doing is pointing out that ultimately we are all responsible for competence and results in our areas of expertise. If you don't deliver, you gotta go. And likely it will be a non-expert (in your field) making that decision. You claim you are an expert, then you need to show you can deliver results better than a non-expert. Show me where Macc has done that, please.

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No, what I am doing is pointing out that ultimately we are all responsible for competence and results in our areas of expertise. If you don't deliver, you gotta go. And likely it will be a non-expert (in your field) making that decision. You claim you are an expert, then you need to show you can deliver results better than a non-expert. Show me where Macc has done that, please.


He has brought in some decent players in the draft and made some good trades. I love the current staff he has brought in but we will have to wait to see how they actually do. He did not get to choose his own coach which is a lesson maybe we should have learned with idzik. Yea he made a few bad moves too but I believe right now he has a plan to tank and I honestly believe in the long run it will make our team a whole lot better. I would not be surprised if macc is our gm next season and bowles who is the coach I wanted at the time is looking for a new job.

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He has brought in some decent players in the draft and made some good trades. 

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Sorry buddy we aren't bragging about our kids here you gotta get specific. What moves and what trades?

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Sorry buddy we aren't bragging about our kids here you gotta get specific. What moves and what trades?


Drafting Leonard Williams even though we had 2 all pro caliper defensive ends and passing on Kevin white even though we needed a receiver = good move. Trading a fifth round pick for Brandon marshal = good move. Bringing in fitz for a late pick because he has a history with your offensive coordinator to replace your starter who is out with a broken jaw = good. Overpaying to bring the guy back and allowing your players to put on a show about how bad they wanted the guy back = bad. Bringing back revis = both good and bad yea he sucked but he was a position of need future hall of fame player and we took him away from our divisional rivals. Drafting Marcus maye after taking Jamal Adams we can't really say yet but it is looking like it could be on the good side and if nothing else it shows that he is willing to stick to his bpa approach. Idk maybe I like macc because I was not expecting him to take a crap team and win a Superbowl with it in two years.

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Drafting Leonard Williams even though we had 2 all pro caliper defensive ends and passing on Kevin white even though we needed a receiver = good move. Trading a fifth round pick for Brandon marshal = good move. Bringing in fitz for a late pick because he has a history with your offensive coordinator to replace your starter who is out with a broken jaw = good. Overpaying to bring the guy back and allowing your players to put on a show about how bad they wanted the guy back = bad. Bringing back revis = both good and bad yea he sucked but he was a position of need future hall of fame player and we took him away from our divisional rivals. Drafting Marcus maye after taking Jamal Adams we can't really say yet but it is looking like it could be on the good side and if nothing else it shows that he is willing to stick to his bpa approach. Idk maybe I like macc because I was not expecting him to take a crap team and win a Superbowl with it in two years.

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Draft Williams... sorry can't give someone credit for taking top consensus player who by incompetence of those picking ahead of us fell to us. Brandon Marshall I will grant. Fitz year one was good, although he was on team before Geno's idiocy landed him on his back. 

Revis was a win-now move, which Macc clearly in hindsight called wrongly, so gotta give him a negative on that one. 

Maye and Adams agree can't say anything. 

Too tired to get into the list of QBs he passed on. He very well may go down as the GM who passed on Dak Prescott, as unfair as that is, but that's the way the world works when you're a self-proclaimed expert at something.

Thanks for responding, I appreciate it. You made some good points, nevertheless the bad moves made by him here are just embarrassing.

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47 minutes ago, jgb said:

And rebuttal including the word "Geno" gets an auto Butt Fumble. Sorry mate, site rules. Welcome to JN.

You used Fitz - that deserves a double butt fumble. 

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Draft Williams... sorry can't give someone credit for taking top consensus player who by incompetence of those picking ahead of us fell to us. Brandon Marshall I will grant. Fitz year one was good, although he was on team before Geno's idiocy landed him on his back. 
Revis was a win-now move, which Macc clearly in hindsight called wrongly, so gotta give him a negative on that one. 
Maye and Adams agree can't say anything. 
Too tired to get into the list of QBs he passed on. He very well may go down as the GM who passed on Dak Prescott, as unfair as that is, but that's the way the world works when you're a self-proclaimed expert at something.
Thanks for responding, I appreciate it. You made some good points, nevertheless the bad moves made by him here are just embarrassing.

Are you kidding. 32 gms will go down as the ones that passed on dak 3 times. Cowboys took a swing on him and hit they also tried to trade up and take Paxton lynch which should tell any genious how highly they thought of the kid and his ability to start in the nfl. There aren't many examples of qbs we really missed on the worst case scenario is lynch mahonmes of Watson turn into studs then we can say he whiffed other qbs who are better than the guys we have either shocked the world or were out of our reach

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4 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:


Are you kidding. 32 gms will go down as the ones that passed on dak 3 times. Cowboys took a swing on him and hit they also tried to trade up and take Paxton lynch which should tell any genious how highly they thought of the kid and his ability to start in the nfl. There aren't many examples of qbs we really missed on the worst case scenario is lynch mahonmes of Watson turn into studs then we can say he whiffed other qbs who are better than the guys we have either shocked the world or were out of our reach

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I'm not kidding. Jets have been searching for The One for 40 years. When Macc eventually flames out spectacularly, passing on Dak will be written on his Jet Nation tombstone. Again, as I've said not fair, but that's how it will be for him unless he finds the guy (assuming he gets another chance next year).

And by the way, Woody craves and caves to public attention... after going 1-15 he very well might ice the entire FO. Actually having #1 pick probably only chance a second-rate franchise like the Jets ever has to bring in a Cowher or Harbaugh or Gruden so they can get "their guy" and make a run at it. If we have the top pick and DON'T parlay it into a big time hire, well that would be a huge wasted opportunity.

That being said as I've predicted for months, Bowles "beats" the rolled up Pats on week 17 to try to save his job and costs us the top pick. Belichick actually seen smiling after the game.

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The issue is this team will most likely get a high pick and will draft a good looking franchise QB prospect and have NOTHING for him to work with.  This kind of smacks of the The David Carr thing which mac may also been a part of.  It is really tough to build an oline via fa. 

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

The issue is this team will most likely get a high pick and will draft a good looking franchise QB prospect and have NOTHING for him to work with.  This kind of smacks of the The David Carr thing which mac may also been a part of.  It is really tough to build an oline via fa. 

You're probably right but in all circumstances it's better to have a QB than to not. It's like having a baby. No one is every truly ready. You could always make a case to waiting until you get that promotion or finish the kitchen remodel... but once the baby is on it's way, everyone finds a way to make it happen. If we have a crack at a franchise QB, who cares about anything else you take it. Good QBs make good things happen even to bad teams.

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

The issue is this team will most likely get a high pick and will draft a good looking franchise QB prospect and have NOTHING for him to work with.  This kind of smacks of the The David Carr thing which mac may also been a part of.  It is really tough to build an oline via fa. 

Do you realize there's a lot of $ to spend next year , between that and the draft they can overhaul the O in virtually one season - sort of like the Giants did to their D 

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1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said:

Do you realize there's a lot of $ to spend next year , between that and the draft they can overhaul the O in virtually one season - sort of like the Giants did to their D 

Trusting the Jets to spend money wisely is like trusting your Ferrari to the parking garage attendant.

 

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