Pcola Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Darron Lee and Jamal Adams are going to be cornerstones of an elite NFL Defense the next 10-15 years Macc, is that you? Welcome to the board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Oh also, O'brein has to be the biggest face of a Qb talent elevator of all time. Another in a lsit of guys that 'coached brady' and then became gurus. He wanted hoyer he got him he wanted mallet he got him he got oswiler debate on whether he wanted him or not but the guy STUNK under obrien the next guy obrien endorses i run the opposite direction 10 miles an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So far Adams has sucked. He fell to #6 for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: People are already talking about Adams making the pro bowl as a rookie. He has been a revelation. Lee needs time I think he is developing Wut? have you watched the ex games? for every nice play he has made he has made at least one terrible rookie p;lay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So we are completely writing off Hack at this point? What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games? Eli looked as bad Hack has for quite a bit of time before he became OK. People literally wondered if Peyton could ever read defenses his rookie year. And quite a few people thought Hack was a strong prospect, and some thought he was undraftable. So, there is no issue with the pick. Now if the entire Jets FO has decided that Hack is a lost cause, and not just Bowles, and our only solution was to just bring in McClown, they should both be fired today. To be honest, the Jets FO should never have agreed to bring in McClown for Bowles knowing what he is. We should have brought in 2 additional rookie QBs, like Sloter or Cooper Rush and had a real competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So in a week Mehta has "broken" two draft stories? Not pulling the trigger for Kamara & jumping the gun for Hackenberg (whether 1 or 2 rounds too high in MM opinion). Both MM is reporting coming from team insiders. I take that as current employee(s) of the Jets. Interesting, if true. If true, Mccagnan needs to do his due diligence and fire whomever it is. If it's even true. Funny how he reports this NOW after yesterday's QB decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Wut? have you watched the ex games? for every nice play he has made he has made at least one terrible rookie p;lay. All of the experts have said this guy is the next Brian Dawkins but better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said: So we are completely writing off Hack at this point? What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games? We are not drafting Darnold. Either the Browns or Bears will be. I think we are going 9-7 and possibly get a wildcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Typical Jets fans showing impatience. This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again. The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era. They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse. Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint. Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Obviously QB is by far the most important position is it not? I said the first part was the stupidest. "Hack was good value in the 2nd." That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable. The 2nd part about QB being the most valuable is fine. Stating the obvious... but correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I give Macc credit for sticking with his convictions instead of waving in the wind. But it looks like he whiffed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, sirlancemehlot said: The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era. They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse. Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint. Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot. The Pats just lost Edelman. That was huge for them. We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting. We are closing the gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 minute ago, RoadFan said: I said the first part was the stupidest. "Hack was good value in the 2nd." That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable. The 2nd part about QB being thr most valuable. Stating the obvious... but correct. Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft. I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft. I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet And.... you just topped your previous post with something even more ludicrous! Are you a member of the Hackenberg family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 DOn La Greca making fantastic points and I think it speaks to once again, the difference between the Giants, who don't really give a sh*t about public image and the Jets who are scared to bits of public image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 51 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Hack was still a good value pick in round 2. A possible franchise qb is always good value in round 2 What Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Typical Jets fans showing impatience. This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again. No one is expecting Aaron Rodgers at this point, but Hackenberg has a long way to go to get to Aaron Brooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 And now with this team probably getting another top draft pick. THIS will be Maccagnan's ultimate test. He better get this QB right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: DOn La Greca making fantastic points and I think it speaks to once again, the difference between the Giants, who don't really give a sh*t about public image and the Jets who are scared to bits of public image. That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 44 minutes ago, Lil Woody said: Way to welcome a new poster here. Give them snark and act like a douche. New poster? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, Bugg said: That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Philc1 said: The Pats just lost Edelman. That was huge for them. We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting. We are closing the gap Jamal Adams has 5 interceptions in three seasons. Marcus Maye had 5 in 4 seasons. Define "Ballhawk?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 58 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Hackenberg is basically a rookie. I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason. I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon. You're probably the only soul on earth (including Mike Macagnan, who will lose his job over this decision) that feels this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: Hackenberg is basically a rookie. I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason. I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon. So if Hack doesn't play again this year, will he still be a rookie next year? And the year after? and the year after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 And they are afraid of failure because of the way the media and fans will react. And that has been THE problem with Woody Johnson and the Jets under him They care more about publicity than winning. It's why they've never even considered this full on type of tanking before, even though it might have had benefits. Or this type of roster purge. But now Woody's getting out of the way, going to London, so he wont really be in the crossfire, so he allows it to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, Lil Woody said: When I first joined people played the same game with me. Every post people asked if I was some other poster. it would take a very strange person to waste the time to create a secondary (fake) account simply to post absurd ramblings on a message board that already provides anonymity. Seems redundant and pointless. The original poster is @phill1c, the new poster is @Philc1. Do you think these are different people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 The Pats just lost Edelman. That was huge for them. We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting. We are closing the gap Do we really need someone like this to drive up post count? Obvious troll. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy. Well the key difference is Hackenberg is obviously 10x worse than Eli Manning ever was. I feel like some people don't appreciate how awful Hackenberg is. Sanchez was a bad NFL QB. Geno was a bad NFL QB. But they were somewhat capable. They had some skills. They could lead scoring drives. Their turnovers were so devastating and frustrating because they actually showed promise at times. They could do some things. Hackenberg has shown zero promise. None. Since the day he was drafted (when many people mocked the Jets and claimed he had no business being drafted at all) all we've seen from the organization are terrifying red flags and all we've seen from him is awful play. Not only is there no evidence he's a real NFL QB there is a substantial (and growing) amount of evidence that the guy is absolutely awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy. So, the fact that we have seen Hackenberg be completely incompetent every time he's stepped on the field since 2013 is irrelevant, but rather the unverifiable narrative you've crafted is the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: So, the fact that we have seen Hackenberg be completely incompetent every time he's stepped on the field since 2013 is irrelevant, but rather the unverifiable narrative you've crafted is the truth? OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, RoadFan said: And.... you just topped your previous post with something even more ludicrous! Are you a member of the Hackenberg family? he's expert trolling. you slowly move up the comments. starts small and then get to a whopper. well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. Maybe Macc, upon seeing his pick up close and personal, realized that his pick was bad, and to his credit, didn't double down on the stupid? Not that the GM chooses who plays, especially not when the coach doesn't answer to the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Geno was tragedy. Hackenberg is farce. Maccagnan have been fired the second he handed in the card. I want to see that one time. An owner firing the GM during the draft right after the team makes a selection. ESPN cuts to Sal Paolantonio reporting outside the team's war room while Goodell approaches the podium to announce the pick. Now there is a cut screen on the TV with Goodell announcing the pick and Paolantonio reporting and showing the GM being escorted out of the war room by security. After all the mayhem, ESPN then interviews the poor draftee who has to answer questions about him being the reason the GM was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. He should also have the conviction to admit a mistake rather than feed us the bull sh!t Bowles and Bates are spewing. Some of us fans are smarter than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Typical Jets fans showing impatience. This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again. If you know what the f*ck you are doing, a rebuild should not take that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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