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Mehta!: Behind the scenes when they drafted Hack (Spoiler alert--Source drops it in Macc's lap)


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Oh also, O'brein has to be the biggest face of a Qb talent elevator of all time.   Another in a lsit of guys that 'coached brady' and then became gurus.  He wanted hoyer he got him he wanted mallet he got him he got oswiler debate on whether he wanted him or not but the guy STUNK under obrien  the next guy obrien endorses i run the opposite direction 10 miles an hour.

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

People are already talking about Adams making the pro bowl as a rookie.  He has been a revelation.  Lee needs time I think he is developing

Wut? have you watched the ex games?  for every nice play he has made he has made at least one terrible rookie p;lay.

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So we are completely writing off Hack at this point?

What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games?

Eli looked as bad Hack has for quite a bit of time before he became OK.  People literally wondered if Peyton could ever read defenses his rookie year.

And quite a few people thought Hack was a strong prospect, and some thought he was undraftable.

So, there is no issue with the pick. Now if the entire Jets FO has decided that Hack is a lost cause, and not just Bowles, and our only solution was to just bring in McClown, they should both be fired today.

To be honest, the Jets FO should never have agreed to bring in McClown for Bowles knowing what he is. We should have brought in 2 additional rookie QBs, like Sloter or Cooper Rush and had a real competition.

 

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So in a week Mehta has "broken" two draft stories? Not pulling the trigger for Kamara & jumping the gun for Hackenberg (whether 1 or 2 rounds too high in MM opinion). 

Both MM is reporting coming from team insiders. I take that as current employee(s) of the Jets.  

Interesting, if true.  If true, Mccagnan needs to do his due diligence and fire whomever it is.  If it's even true.  

Funny how he reports this NOW after yesterday's QB decision.  

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2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

So we are completely writing off Hack at this point?

What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games?

We are not drafting Darnold.  Either the Browns or Bears will be.  I think we are going 9-7 and possibly get a wildcard

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25 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Typical Jets fans showing impatience.  This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again.

 

 

The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era.  They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse.  Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint.  Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot.

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39 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.  Obviously QB is by far the most important position is it not?

I said the first part was the stupidest.  "Hack was good value in the 2nd."

That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable.

The 2nd part about QB being the most valuable is fine.  Stating the obvious... but correct.

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Just now, sirlancemehlot said:

The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era.  They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse.  Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint.  Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot.

The Pats just lost Edelman.  That was huge for them.  We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting.  We are closing the gap

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1 minute ago, RoadFan said:

I said the first part was the stupidest.  "Hack was good value in the 2nd."

That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable.

The 2nd part about QB being thr most valuable.  Stating the obvious... but correct.

Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft.  I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft.  I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet

And.... you just topped your previous post with something even more ludicrous! 

Are you a member of the Hackenberg family?

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41 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Typical Jets fans showing impatience.  This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again.

No one is expecting Aaron Rodgers at this point, but Hackenberg has a long way to go to get to Aaron Brooks.

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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

DOn La Greca making fantastic points and I think it speaks to once again, the difference between the Giants, who don't really give a sh*t about public image and the Jets who are scared to bits of public image.

 

That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. 

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Just now, Bugg said:

That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. 

I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. 
Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure

The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

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10 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The Pats just lost Edelman.  That was huge for them.  We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting.  We are closing the gap

Jamal Adams has 5 interceptions in three seasons.  Marcus Maye had 5 in 4 seasons.  Define "Ballhawk?"

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58 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is basically a rookie.  I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason.  I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon.  

You're probably the only soul on earth (including Mike Macagnan, who will lose his job over this decision) that feels this way.

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is basically a rookie.  I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason.  I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon.  

So if Hack doesn't play again this year, will he still be a rookie next year?  And the year after? and the year after?

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And they are afraid of failure because of the way the media and fans will react. And that has been THE problem with Woody Johnson and the Jets under him

They care more about publicity than winning. It's why they've never even considered this full on type of tanking before, even though it might have had benefits. Or this type of roster purge.

But now Woody's getting out of the way, going to London, so he wont really be in the crossfire, so he allows it to happen

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39 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

When I first joined people played the same game with me.  Every post people asked if I was some other poster.  it would take a very strange person to waste the time to create a secondary (fake) account simply to post absurd ramblings on a message board that already provides anonymity.  Seems redundant and pointless.

The original poster is @phill1c, the new poster is @Philc1.  Do you think these are different people?

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The Pats just lost Edelman.  That was huge for them.  We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting.  We are closing the gap


Do we really need someone like this to drive up post count? Obvious troll.


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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. 
Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure

The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

Well the key difference is Hackenberg is obviously 10x worse than Eli Manning ever was.

I feel like some people don't appreciate how awful Hackenberg is. Sanchez was a bad NFL QB. Geno was a bad NFL QB. But they were somewhat capable. They had some skills. They could lead scoring drives. Their turnovers were so devastating and frustrating because they actually showed promise at times. They could do some things. 

Hackenberg has shown zero promise. None. Since the day he was drafted (when many people mocked the Jets and claimed he had no business being drafted at all) all we've seen from the organization are terrifying red flags and all we've seen from him is awful play. Not only is there no evidence he's a real NFL QB there is a substantial (and growing) amount of evidence that the guy is absolutely awful.

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5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. 
Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure

The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

So, the fact that we have seen Hackenberg be completely incompetent every time he's stepped on the field since 2013 is irrelevant, but rather the unverifiable narrative you've crafted is the truth?

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Just now, gEYno said:

So, the fact that we have seen Hackenberg be completely incompetent every time he's stepped on the field since 2013 is irrelevant, but rather the unverifiable narrative you've crafted is the truth?

OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. 

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Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. 

Maybe Macc, upon seeing his pick up close and personal, realized that his pick was bad, and to his credit, didn't double down on the stupid?  Not that the GM chooses who plays, especially not when the coach doesn't answer to the GM.

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1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Geno was tragedy. Hackenberg is farce. Maccagnan have been fired the second he handed in the card.

I want to see that one time.  An owner firing the GM during the draft right after the team makes a selection.  

ESPN cuts to Sal Paolantonio reporting outside the team's war room while Goodell approaches the podium to announce the pick.  Now there is a cut screen on the TV with Goodell announcing the pick and Paolantonio reporting and showing the GM being escorted out of the war room by security.

After all the mayhem, ESPN then interviews the poor draftee who has to answer questions about him being the reason the GM was fired.

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3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

OF course it's relevant. Yet if Macc had the conviction to pick him, he should have the conviction to play him, like Accorsi did. He might suck, but at least we would have known it for sure. 

He should also have the conviction to admit a mistake rather than feed us the bull sh!t Bowles and Bates are spewing.  Some of us fans are smarter than that.  

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