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Problem with this scenario is Hack may be good if he was provided a few years, but with this supposed great QB crop next year we don't have the luxury of time. Hopefully he plays enough this year and shows enough to provide the right course of action moving forward. If we can keep going forward with him or Petty we can then focus on building especially to start this OLine which scares the heck out of me. Any QB may get hurt the way we are blcoking and even our darn RBs can't seem to learn how to throw a chip block. The key is just don't let free runners a nice clean path to the QB cause when in the pocket it's hard to elude that. We don't have any real mobile QBs.

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19 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Guys we just dont know if Hack is good. Lets give him five more redshirt years

I think that's the deal. Pretend he was a 5th round pick and let him be third string for another 2 years.

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Bottom line, Hack was overdrafted onto the wrong team.  He should've been a 4th or 5th rd. pick sitting on the bench now for the Giants or Steelers soaking up everything he can from the starting QB's there.  No expectations from the fan base and more importantly, he would've been afforded the 3-5 years he needs to turn himself into an NFL QB.  The Jets aren't going to wait for him to figure it out, the 2018 draft has too many good QB's and the Jets should be bad enough to get one.  The best case scenario for him and Petty is a 10 year reliable backup job that pays a few million year.

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10 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Evaluating Hack when you should be evaluating the entire offense which stunk. Dropped passes galore and a lot of drops on third down not allowing Hack to really get in any rhythm at all.

Hack no doubt had a few bad throws like the one Pick Six but that's to be expected until he learns this offense which even for seasoned Vets takes about 6- 8 games in a new offense. Some here even called the pass that Robbie Anderson had knocked out of his hands a pick six which is really laughable.

This offensive line has no clue on how to pick up a blitz and I saw Hack getting blamed on virtually every sack which is stupid including a play where a safety blitz on the blind side almost got him killed.

What Hack Needs most is playing time , the road will be bumpy but we need to see if this kid can make the mental strides he needs to make since he defintly has the physical tools. Hack should be starting the season so he can be properly evaluated on a team destined to go nowhere. 

 

Is Geno Smith the only bad Jets QB you weren't willing to die on the sword for, or did I miss any?

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45 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Guys we just dont know if Hack is good. Lets give him five more redshirt years

After this second red shirt season, do you think we should look to extend him on the cheap, or just hold off and use the franchise tag on him after 2019?

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All evidence continues to point to him being horrendous. Any opinion to the contrary requires hope, which is OK for fans but inexcusable for professional personnel men.

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I still hope Hackenberg gets the chance to start a number of games this year, even if it's just to effectively close the book on him. It's pretty clear at this point that Petty should be the #2 (if not the starter) and that Hack is the team's most worst QB. Be interesting to see who they name #2, that will tell us a lot about the internal politics. 

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9 minutes ago, slats said:

I still hope Hackenberg gets the chance to start a number of games this year, even if it's just to effectively close the book on him. It's pretty clear at this point that Petty should be the #2 (if not the starter) and that Hack is the team's most worst QB. Be interesting to see who they name #2, that will tell us a lot about the internal politics. 

The call for more evidence is a waste of time. If he doesn't look competent or even promising in a scrimmage, it takes an insane amount of confirmation bias to believe we need to see him in prime time to say he sucks.

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2 minutes ago, jgb said:

The call for more evidence is a waste of time. If he doesn't look competent or even promising in a scrimmage, it takes an insane amount of confirmation bias to believe we need to see him in prime time to say he sucks.

I'm not saying I need it, or you need it, but they may very well need it. They obviously favored him over Petty the entire preseason. 

This isn't a good football team. They spent a second round pick on Hackenberg. It's not going to hurt anyone to trot him out there so they can see what he can do when the games count, if only so they can go into the next offseason fully understanding their need at QB. 

Despite what anyone has seen with their own eyes, it would not surprise me if Hackenberg was named #2. 

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3 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm not saying I need it, or you need it, but they may very well need it. They obviously favored him over Petty the entire preseason. 

This isn't a good football team. They spent a second round pick on Hackenberg. It's not going to hurt anyone to trot him out there so they can see what he can do when the games count, if only so they can go into the next offseason fully understanding their need at QB. 

Despite what anyone has seen with their own eyes, it would not surprise me if Hackenberg was named #2. 

They favoured him because they favour being employed. They already did trot him out. He's putrid. Send him out in prime time, and it will be the 10th year in a row the Jets coach loses the locker room. They may actually refuse to play considering the air balls Hack leaves for WRs to get pancaked across the middle.

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4 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm not saying I need it, or you need it, but they may very well need it. They obviously favored him over Petty the entire preseason. 

This isn't a good football team. They spent a second round pick on Hackenberg. It's not going to hurt anyone to trot him out there so they can see what he can do when the games count, if only so they can go into the next offseason fully understanding their need at QB. 

Despite what anyone has seen with their own eyes, it would not surprise me if Hackenberg was named #2. 

He sure looked like a #2!

Get it, guys?

High Five?

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if they can keep hack upright he'll be fine.  a couple of his throws were professional grade and on a couple others, the receiver just misplayed.  i am not so keen on mccown.  talk about throwing mechanics, the guy is almost like fitz with his throwing from all angles.  if he doesn't stay upright it's going to be a very long season.

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16 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm not saying I need it, or you need it, but they may very well need it. They obviously favored him over Petty the entire preseason. 

Then they shouldn't hold decision-making power in an NFL organization.

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4 minutes ago, rangerous said:

if they can keep hack upright he'll be fine.  a couple of his throws were professional grade and on a couple others, the receiver just misplayed.  i am not so keen on mccown.  talk about throwing mechanics, the guy is almost like fitz with his throwing from all angles.  if he doesn't stay upright it's going to be a very long season.

I've never understood this line of thinking.  He made some good throws, and we should be extrapolate that to the idea that he can be a QB?  I could make the same 26-foot 3-Pointer as Steph Curry.  The difference between him and I is that he can do it more than just "a couple" of times.

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20 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm not saying I need it, or you need it, but they may very well need it. They obviously favored him over Petty the entire preseason. 

This isn't a good football team. They spent a second round pick on Hackenberg. It's not going to hurt anyone to trot him out there so they can see what he can do when the games count, if only so they can go into the next offseason fully understanding their need at QB. 

Despite what anyone has seen with their own eyes, it would not surprise me if Hackenberg was named #2. 

This would confirm for me that there is something going on behind closed doors about Petty.  I see no possible evidence that Hack should be above him in the depth chart.  This isn't a subjective/objective thing.  There is no possible justification for it based on what we, as fans, have seen on the field this preseason.  And while I generally have nothing but disdain for the 'journalists' that cover this team, I would hope and expect them to light everyone up in the press conferences about this if it happened because there is a story there that the coaching staff doesn't seem to want to tell.

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17 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Don't be that guy.  No one likes that guy.

Hombre. I live in Singapore. Which means UK English auto correct on my computer and phone. Now I need to go unload the groceries from the boot of my car.

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 A good majority of the guys he was playing against will not have NFL jobs in a couple days, and he still couldn't succeed. 

 

In the words of John Madden, "he can't hit water if he fell off a boat." 

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Macagnan wasted a 2nd on this clown, I repeat, Macagnan wasted a 2nd round pick on this.  Amazing how people defend this GM he's actually worse at his job than Bowles is at his

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2 hours ago, gEYno said:

After this second red shirt season, do you think we should look to extend him on the cheap, or just hold off and use the franchise tag on him after 2019?

He won't be redshirted this year.  The Oline will not allow it.

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29 minutes ago, Ghost said:

 A good majority of the guys he was playing against will not have NFL jobs in a couple days, and he still couldn't succeed. 

 

In the words of John Madden, "he can't hit water if he fell off a boat." 

And on the flipside a majority of the guys he was playing with after the first two drives will not have NFL jobs - it works both ways.

Two runs and a 3rd and long will make any QB look bad. Not saying Hack was good last night but consider the total scenario when throwing out statements like that.

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2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

And on the flipside a majority of the guys he was playing with after the first two drives will not have NFL jobs - it works both ways.

Two runs and a 3rd and long will make any QB look bad. Not saying Hack was good last night but consider the total scenario when throwing out statements like that.

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1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said:

We all have our own opinions , I just don't waste the bandwidth with the childish gif's

Here is a fact, not opinion: Hack won't be in the NFL in 2018

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Here is a fact, not opinion: Hack won't be in the NFL in 2018

Can't be a fact as it hasn't happened yet. Even if the Jets  draft a top rated QB in 2018 , they will still carry 3 Qb's next year , there is no reason for them to dump Hack whose on his rookie contract.

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2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Can't be a fact as it hasn't happened yet. Even if the Jets  draft a top rated QB in 2018 , they will still carry 3 Qb's next year , there is no reason for them to dump Hack whose on his rookie contract.

They'll have Bryce Petty and can sign a cheap vet off the street who is way better than Hack.  Oh, and Mike Macagnan won't be around anymore to protect his precious 2nd round pick.

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Hey don't blame the kid when the front office may have been guilty of reaching in the draft.
How many of you critics bought Google at 100 bucks a share or Facebook below 20.
Time will tell whether Hack is a bust. It's not his fault the Jets picked him 2nd round.
I'm far from a football expert but I saw the kid make some nice throws this preseason and also make some terrible throws.
Also he made some progress in knowing when to throw the ball away and not try to force a throw.
Granted he isn't Brady but I think it's too soon to throw the towel in on him yet.


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