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Darnold, Allen, Rosen

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Darnold/Rosen are the clear top two picks for QB at least as of right now.
Allen is a step below. I haven't seen Stigham but I feel the the same would apply. Folk, Jackson and the Okie State QB as well.
Alternative scenario: Kirk Cousins becomes a free agent after this season. Would it be worth paying him big and instead using the Jets' (presumably) favorable draft position to find young talent at other positions? It's not like they don't have holes everywhere.


I have always like cousins ... he's a lot like Kenny O'brien but more elusive in he pocket.


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After 1 quarter, Rosen, and the rest of UCLA, not looking so hot.  It'll be interesting to see how he responds to such a Jet-like start.

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Darnold didn't look too hot yesterday either.

will be interesting to see how they progress once they get into the meat of the schedule 

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After watching a full weekend of football it may be time to go after Jimmy G (kidding). But seriously...i know the supporting cast in UCLA and Wyoming blows but its not like we have Andre Johnson and Dez Bryant at receiver. None of the QB’s looked capable of lifting a franchise based on week 1.

The 4 names that stood out...

Rudolph

Falk

Lee

Mayfield

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Still like Josh Allen....call me crazy.   No help vs Iowa.... look at Rosen vs A&M.  No chance.  Guarantee put Allen on UCLA he makes more plays tonight

 

Btw Kevin Sumlin great coach.........

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Can anyone give a review of Rosen from last night (I didnt watch the second half comeback).

I watched the highlights and have read that he was "on fire, etc" however the highlights show that he threw 2 VERY interceptable passes that happen to be TDs.  Did he look great otherwise?  Just curious how he actually played.

As an aside, I really like Luke Falk, as we have seen with Hack you can't teach accuracy and Falk has that plus the work ethic/character to be a team leader.

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On 9/3/2017 at 8:22 PM, Titan24 said:

Still like Josh Allen....call me crazy.   No help vs Iowa.... look at Rosen vs A&M.  No chance.  Guarantee put Allen on UCLA he makes more plays tonight

 

Btw Kevin Sumlin great coach.........

Allen needs to have a season of a very high completion percentage for me. He is just too much like Jack Locker when it comes to his %. Completion % is one thing that doesn't tend to get better from College to NFL. He also doesn't look like he has the "it" factor, seemed lost, rattled and had no confidence. Didn't look like a guy that would take over a game, not a trait you don't want to have. 

Rosen was much more impressive from that standpoint to me than Allen. Put Allen on UCLA and what, they don't come back? Maybe they do, but I hate that argument, put "so and so" on this team and judge them. No, sorry, I will judge them for where they are playing and what they appear to be doing or not doing. I allow for the different levels of players skills (weak teams vs strong teams)still didn't like what I saw from Allen. 

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On 9/2/2017 at 1:28 PM, Lupz27 said:

Same was said about Mark Sanchez how did that work out?

Rosen was TERRIBLE last year!

And that's not counting the fact he is a locker room cancer.

Falk I need to watch more of so I can't give my opinion, hopefully your right the more talented QB's in this draft the better, also need to give Mason Rudolph more look.

Lamar Jackson is a huge wild card pro scouts are really starting to leak out info that they are liking what they see from him, and that he will be a top 5 pick, but I don't see it he has a lot to work on IMO before being Mike Vick 2.0.

Terrible? He only played 6 games before he was injured 59.3% for 1915 yards with 10 TD and 5 Int (3 were in the first game). How is that Terrible?

Locker Room Cancer? He's the F'n QB! All of the great QBs are dickheads -- with the exception of Peyton (who would have won more SBs if he wasn't such a nice guy). And I didn't notice any of Rosen's teammates giving up on him when UCLA was being blown out by A&M.  BTW, the Jets won their only Superbowl with a locker room cancer under center.

 

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I saw something about UCLA's comeback and watched a relay of the game, saw the 2nd half

I like Rosens delivery, but don't love it.  I was taught the namath/manning delivery of throwing from your ear. don't get why so many of these college QB's make the first motion going DOWN.   so stupid

Rosen also didn't step into his throws. reminded me of a girl playing softball to be honest, wide stance and no step

this is a very small sample, but something I will watch when I can

otherwise liked his touch and timing overall

touch is very under rated

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On 9/3/2017 at 6:22 PM, Titan24 said:

Still like Josh Allen....call me crazy.   No help vs Iowa.... look at Rosen vs A&M.  No chance.  Guarantee put Allen on UCLA he makes more plays tonight

 

Btw Kevin Sumlin great coach.........

I'm gonna say it, if Allen was down 44-10, everything else being the same, there's no way he brings the team back the way Rosen did. Don't care about dropped INTs. That's every QB ever when they have to throw it 30 times in a quarter playing 30+ behind. 

No way Allen pulls out that W... that's the difference between the two.

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7 hours ago, Paradis said:

I'm gonna say it, if Allen was down 44-10, everything else being the same, there's no way he brings the team back the way Rosen did. Don't care about dropped INTs. That's every QB ever when they have to throw it 30 times in a quarter playing 30+ behind. 

No way Allen pulls out that W... that's the difference between the two.

This got me thinking that the Jets really have to consider a players personality. Playing QB in NY is simply not the same thing as playing QB in just about every other city. You need a guy who will embrace the spot light, or at least understand how to deal with it. Rosen seems like he wants to be "the" guy. Darnold is an interesting study on this point. His free spirit surfer dude persona profiled in every article about his personal life and upbringing is at odds with how he appears on the field -- stoic and unemotional. I just don't know how he would react to the NY media scrutiny. I hope the Jets hire a sports psychologist to help them choose their QB in next year's draft.   

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15 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Couple of really nice TD passes, a couple really terrible INT's. 

Stanford probably had 15 missed tackles in that video.  i'd bet 1/2 of darnold's yardage was missed tackles.   

I watched a couple of USC games  last year and remember Darnold having a stronger arm.   At some point the "legend of darnold" may exceed his actual play.   2 weeks into the season my list starts and ends with Rosen and I was not a fan coming into the year.   

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I've been trying to find the NFL comp for Darnold for the past 2 years and I think I finally found it.  It was right under my nose the whole time.  Brace yourselves; it's Ryan Fitzpatrick!  I've seen Darnold stand next to players listed as 6-4, he is NOT 6-4.  The eye test tells me he is closer to 6-2 which makes him the same size as Fitz.  Of course, he's more athletic (though Fitz's athleticism is underrated), has a stronger arm and better decision maker, we hope, but in terms of built, playing style and delivery they are very similar.  Essentially, he is Fitz on his best days.  If you put a Darnold tape and Fitz Jets "highlights" side by side the likeness is striking and it's not because of the #14.  Some of you Darnold worshipers may take this as some kind of slight but it's not.  I always felt that if Fitz's football IQ matched his actual IQ and had the arm talent to cash the checks that his mind would write he'd be one heck of a FQB.  Darnold may be this perfect blend.

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3 hours ago, legler82 said:

I've been trying to find the NFL comp for Darnold for the past 2 years and I think I finally found it.  It was right under my nose the whole time.  Brace yourselves; it's Ryan Fitzpatrick!  I've seen Darnold stand next to players listed as 6-4, he is NOT 6-4.  The eye test tells me he is closer to 6-2 which makes him the same size as Fitz.  Of course, he's more athletic (though Fitz's athleticism is underrated), has a stronger arm and better decision maker, we hope, but in terms of built, playing style and delivery they are very similar.  Essentially, he is Fitz on his best days.  If you put a Darnold tape and Fitz Jets "highlights" side by side the likeness is striking and it's not because of the #14.  Some of you Darnold worshipers may take this as some kind of slight but it's not.  I always felt that if Fitz's football IQ matched his actual IQ and had the arm talent to cash the checks that his mind would write he'd be one heck of a FQB.  Darnold may be this perfect blend.

You just ruined Darnold for me thanks.

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I have to say Rosen is really growing on me, I think he's progressed at a higher rate than I expected.  Rosen/Darnold is pretty much neck and neck to me, and I think coming into the year, I secretly had Darnold/Allen/Rosen as my pecking order. 

I love Rosen going through his reads, really reminds me of Luck at Stanford, albeit not quite the downfield arm.  

I'm still not sleeping on Jackson.  He's not going to be the pure passer such as Rosen/Darnold but man is he a match up nightmare for a defense.  He's looked better, and I think if he can keep his completion percentage higher, really reminds me of Mariota with less accuracy but still really good. 

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18 hours ago, LionelRichie said:

Stanford probably had 15 missed tackles in that video.  i'd bet 1/2 of darnold's yardage was missed tackles.   

I watched a couple of USC games  last year and remember Darnold having a stronger arm.   At some point the "legend of darnold" may exceed his actual play.   2 weeks into the season my list starts and ends with Rosen and I was not a fan coming into the year.   

I think you have a strong point here. I'm not saying that Darnold is a bad qb, and I don't think you're saying that either, but I think we both believe he's a bit overrated

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9 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You just ruined Darnold for me thanks.

 
LOL...if it helps, I've also heard people compare him to Rodgers.  Though he lacks the same lightning quick release and arm strength, I think that's a good comp too.  His release speed and arm probably lies somewhere in between Fitzpatrick and Rodgers'.  At their best Rodgers, Fitzpatrick and Darnold all have that controlled frenetic play style with various degrees of talent of course; Fitz being the least talented, Rodgers the most and Darnold somewhere in the middle.  The question is he closer to Fitz than people want to admit and is it the talent at USC that are making people think that he is closer to Rodgers?   
 
I remember people saying that Mahomes wouldn't be able to "get away" with a lot of the crazy throws he attempted in college in the NFL.  I disagreed with that notion because I felt Mahomes had that rare arm talent to squeeze those same throws when the windows got tighter.  I can't say the same about Darnold.  As we've seen in his first 2 games, he is not getting away with it now.  Success in the NFL is about being self aware and knowing your limitations. 

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On 9/2/2017 at 2:17 PM, C Mart said:

You can see the talent but IMO he's going to need work/time. 

Allen has a monster arm.  He's a more athletic Flacco

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On 9/3/2017 at 5:27 PM, Dunnie said:

 


I have always like cousins ... he's a lot like Kenny O'brien but more elusive in he pocket.


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If we don't draft a qb next Spring because of Krik Friggin Cousins I'm no longer a Jets fan

 

Would be the dumbest move ever literally

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If Allen can't show up big tonight, you may as well strike his name off this thread.... (and add in Jackson)

Rosen on right now for those interested.

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3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If Allen can't show up big tonight, you may as well strike his name off this thread.... (and add in Jackson)

Rosen on right now for those interested.

Watching the UCLA v Memphis game. UCLA is sitting 7 defensive starters?!?  Not sure if injuries or what but that sucks. 

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Just now, Stark said:

Watching the UCLA v Memphis game. UCLA is sitting 7 defensive starters?!?  Not sure if injuries or what but that sucks. 

This should be a better game than expected. Ferguson and the tigers offense are better than advertised

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I thought Rosen was under a ton of pressure today, not only from the Memphis D, but from Memphis scoring at will.  It seemed UCLA was down 3 or 10 most of the game.

And as expected, when the running game wasn't effective Rosen was rattled and made at least 3 terrible throws.  I would say that he was just trying to do too much.

I still think the only options for the Jets at #1 is between Darnold and Rosen, with Darnold clearly ahead.  Read a scout's comp of Darnold as "Troy Aikman to a T."  I take it.  

Both Rudolph and Mayfield look incredible but I disregard what Rudolph is doing against the weaker teams.  I thought Pitt would at least put up a fight today, but that didn't happen.  And 500 yards and 5 TDs at half is not from a QB, but the offensive system they use.  Mayfield has everything you want in a QB except size and restraint.  I still think he will be a great pro, but he will have to go somewhere they can harness him in.  The Jets aren't that team.

I think Allen will stay in school.  He has size and arm strength very poor accuracy and still takes ill advised risked.  he needs another year and another draft that doesn't have so many other QB prospects in it.

Lamar Jackson will go down as one of the greatest college QBs ever.  But if the Jets take him, it will be a tragedy for him.  I think it's a long shot that he becomes a top 15 QB and in NY if he's not awesome out of the gate, the media will destroy him.

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6 hours ago, Paradis said:

This should be a better game than expected. Ferguson and the tigers offense are better than advertised

I agree. Down 7 defensive starters isn't helping or didn't help either

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