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Luke Falk's skill set really fits the offense (WCO) we're running.  He has a quick release, he's accurate, he's

not shy about throwing into tight windows in the middle of the field.  And he's shown enough arm strength 

to take vertical shots down the field.  His performance against USC was outstanding and I'm warming up to

the idea of him being on our radar

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817592/article/first-look-scouting-washington-state-qb-luke-falk

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1 hour ago, KRL said:

Luke Falk's skill set really fits the offense (WCO) we're running.  He has a quick release, he's accurate, he's

not shy about throwing into tight windows in the middle of the field.  And he's shown enough arm strength 

to take vertical shots down the field.  His performance against USC was outstanding and I'm warming up to

the idea of him being on our radar

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817592/article/first-look-scouting-washington-state-qb-luke-falk

It's funny, I have hated this kid's game forever because of his lack of arm strength . Then John Morton came to the Jets and install the offense he's running and I saw this kid make every throw against USC that Morton required McCown to make thus far and I became intrigued . All of a sudden i'm looking at different type of QBs, but truth be told, i'm intrigued by the Kid from Oklahoma .  I think @Villain The Foe has a live one on his hand . I'm going to make a statement and take my licks .

IMO, Russell Wilson is an athlete playing the QB position but Baker Mayfield is a QB who just happens to be athletic . 

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8 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

It's funny, I have hated this kid's game forever because of his lack of arm strength . Then John Morton came to the Jets and install the offense he's running and I saw this kid make every throw against USC that Morton required McCown to make thus far and I became intrigued . All of a sudden i'm looking at different type of QBs, but truth be told, i'm intrigued by the Kid from Oklahoma .  I think @Villain The Foe has a live one on his hand . I'm going to make a statement and take my licks .

IMO, Russell Wilson is an athlete playing the QB position but Baker Mayfield is a QB who just happens to be athletic . 

I agree with the point on how our OC has changed my mind about the different "flavors" of QB's that are out there.  People have

focused on Darnold & Rosen but there are definitely intriguing options after those two and Falk & Mayfield have to be taken seriously

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4 hours ago, KRL said:

Luke Falk's skill set really fits the offense (WCO) we're running.  He has a quick release, he's accurate, he's

not shy about throwing into tight windows in the middle of the field.  And he's shown enough arm strength 

to take vertical shots down the field.  His performance against USC was outstanding and I'm warming up to

the idea of him being on our radar

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817592/article/first-look-scouting-washington-state-qb-luke-falk

Totally agree with this, plus Falk's personality is already where it needs to be as far as being a professional.  Hes basically obsessed with Brady, goes to sleep at 9pm every night, only eats organic and lives/breathes football which is what you need.

Morton/Bates could to a lot with a smart, experienced (he will finish with 30+ college starts) player who is accurate with the football but can also hit a deep ball to Robby Anderson.

He will finish the season with Stanford, Utah and Washington all of which will be tough games, in cold weather which should be good viewing for Jet fans

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Since it is likely that the jets may not be in a position to consider Darnold/Rosen, what are some other potential QBs people like? Falk fits WCO, but what if the coaching staff changes again (and the offense).    What about Jake Browining? he may be worth a shot too.

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11 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Since it is likely that the jets may not be in a position to consider Darnold/Rosen, what are some other potential QBs people like? Falk fits WCO, but what if the coaching staff changes again (and the offense).    What about Jake Browining? he may be worth a shot too.

I dont think Browning has the arm strength to be successful in the NFL.

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13 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Since it is likely that the jets may not be in a position to consider Darnold/Rosen, what are some other potential QBs people like? Falk fits WCO, but what if the coaching staff changes again (and the offense).    What about Jake Browining? he may be worth a shot too.

No to Browning . Faulk fits and so does Mason . Mayfield is intriguing but his height is going to have to be determined . Jackson is a wildcard . 

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1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

No to Browning . Faulk fits and so does Mason . Mayfield is intriguing but his height is going to have to be determined . Jackson is a wildcard . 

Since Morton was in NO (Brees) I don't think he'll have a bias against shorter QB's as long as they can play

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Just now, KRL said:

Since Morton was in NO (Brees) I don't think he'll have a bias against shorter QB's as long as they can play

The bias is on my part, but that kid has a moxie that's seen only in the best of the best .. It's weird, but he's like a pint size Aaron Rodgers .

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18 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Since it is likely that the jets may not be in a position to consider Darnold/Rosen, what are some other potential QBs people like? Falk fits WCO, but what if the coaching staff changes again (and the offense).    What about Jake Browining? he may be worth a shot too.

browning would make penningtons arm strength look like elway

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So what is a fair ranking of the top QBs?   And who would be a good fit for the jets?

 

1- Darnold - Likely will not be within reach for jets.

2- Rosen- Likely will not be within reach for jets (although you never know if someone sours on some minor attitude issue).

3- Lamar Jackson - Intriguing but may need some work to become pocket passer

4- Allen - Scouts love him, but he seems like a Hack type - all the measurables, without the performance.

5- Falk - Intriguing, but Air-Raid system qbs are questionable.

6- Mayfield

7- Rudolph

8- Anyone else?

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3 hours ago, KRL said:

Since Morton was in NO (Brees) I don't think he'll have a bias against shorter QB's as long as they can play

 

3 hours ago, Tinstar said:

The bias is on my part, but that kid has a moxie that's seen only in the best of the best .. It's weird, but he's like a pint size Aaron Rodgers .

We all know that the height and weight measureables are not "trustworthy" from their schools. He does have a demeanor that you like for sure. He is not pint sized, just an inch or 2 short.

 

Mayfield is listed at 6'1" - 220lbs. - multiply online sites

Brees 6'0" - 209lbs - Saints Site

Russell Wilson 5"11" - 215lbs -  Seahawks Site.

Aaron Rodgers 6'2" - 225lbs -Packers Site.

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1 hour ago, Dinamite said:

So what is a fair ranking of the top QBs?   And who would be a good fit for the jets?

 

1- Darnold - Likely will not be within reach for jets.

2- Rosen- Likely will not be within reach for jets (although you never know if someone sours on some minor attitude issue).

3- Lamar Jackson - Intriguing but may need some work to become pocket passer

4- Allen - Scouts love him, but he seems like a Hack type - all the measurables, without the performance.

5- Falk - Intriguing, but Air-Raid system qbs are questionable.

6- Mayfield

7- Rudolph

8- Anyone else?

8- Clayton Thorson

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1 hour ago, Dinamite said:

So what is a fair ranking of the top QBs?   And who would be a good fit for the jets?

 

1- Darnold - Likely will not be within reach for jets.

2- Rosen- Likely will not be within reach for jets (although you never know if someone sours on some minor attitude issue).

3- Lamar Jackson - Intriguing but may need some work to become pocket passer

4- Allen - Scouts love him, but he seems like a Hack type - all the measurables, without the performance.

5- Falk - Intriguing, but Air-Raid system qbs are questionable.

6- Mayfield

7- Rudolph

8- Anyone else?

1 - Rosen- Likely will not be within reach for jets 

2 - Darnold - Likely will not be within reach for jets.

3a- Mayfield 3b-Lamar Jackson - Intriguing but may need some work to become pocket passer

5 - Falk - Intriguing, but Air-Raid system qbs are questionable.

6 - Rudolph

7 - Clayton Thorson

8 - Allen - Scouts love him, but he seems like a Hack type - all the measurables, without the performance. 

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CBS Sportsline has Mason Rudolph as his #1 prospect on his board.  With so many different types of QBs this year, I doubt there will be a consensus top guy.  

Allen shouldn't be in the discussion.  His stats are beyond terrible and he is an underclassman.  No reason he should declare to get drafted in the 7th round.

1. Rudolph

2. Rosen

3. Darnold

4. Falk

5. Mayfield

6. Jackson

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55 minutes ago, Pcola said:

CBS Sportsline has Mason Rudolph as his #1 prospect on his board.  With so many different types of QBs this year, I doubt there will be a consensus top guy.  

Allen shouldn't be in the discussion.  His stats are beyond terrible and he is an underclassman.  No reason he should declare to get drafted in the 7th round.

1. Rudolph

2. Rosen

3. Darnold

4. Falk

5. Mayfield

6. Jackson

Mason Rudolph is Bryce Petty, but with more talent around him.

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Here is what turnonthejets.com had in their weekly QB reivew on Falk

Washington St. QB Luke Falk (Last week: 4)

Result: 30-27 win over USC

Stats: 34/51, 340 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT

Analysis: In the words of the great Ric Flair, “To be the man, you gotta beat the man.” Falk was lights out last Friday night en route to an upset over USC, earning a jump over “the man” to No. 2 on this list.

Before the tweets and comments start rolling in, let me squash the notion that I think Falk is a better prospect than Darnold. Remember that this list is simply a power ranking of the QB prospects to give you a sense of how they are currently performing. It is NOT my 2018 big board.

Falk has been stellar since his benching against Boise St. He has been accurate, efficient and made the big throws down the field when needed. If you take the time to watch him play — which is not always easy considering he typically plays the 10:30 “Pac-12 After Dark” game — you will see a polished QB ready to start in the NFL from day one. His best attribute lies between the ears, he goes through his progressions well and he gets the ball out of his hand quickly.

If the Jets keep winning games and play themselves out of a top-five pick, Falk will become a name to watch.

Next matchup: 10/7 @ Oregon at 8:00 p.m. (FOX)

Im not sure what else I would want read, other then a QB is accurate, goes through progressions (ie scans whole field), has a good internal clock and a mind for the game.  I know there is greater upside with someone who may or not have elite physical skills, but I would rather move down in the first, pick up another selection and take someone like Falk who can step in, command a short-passing offense, and use the additional picks to strengthen the team around him.

Falk is quickly becoming the guy I want for 2018 and beyond

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Since I fear we will not be in position to get Darnold or Rosen. I'd like Falk or Mayfield or Allen in the 2nd round, or trading back into lower first round. 

Allen a clear gamble. Falk or Mayfield in the right system both can be good starters in this league.

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11 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is what turnonthejets.com had in their weekly QB reivew on Falk

Washington St. QB Luke Falk (Last week: 4)

Result: 30-27 win over USC

Stats: 34/51, 340 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT

Analysis: In the words of the great Ric Flair, “To be the man, you gotta beat the man.” Falk was lights out last Friday night en route to an upset over USC, earning a jump over “the man” to No. 2 on this list.

Before the tweets and comments start rolling in, let me squash the notion that I think Falk is a better prospect than Darnold. Remember that this list is simply a power ranking of the QB prospects to give you a sense of how they are currently performing. It is NOT my 2018 big board.

Falk has been stellar since his benching against Boise St. He has been accurate, efficient and made the big throws down the field when needed. If you take the time to watch him play — which is not always easy considering he typically plays the 10:30 “Pac-12 After Dark” game — you will see a polished QB ready to start in the NFL from day one. His best attribute lies between the ears, he goes through his progressions well and he gets the ball out of his hand quickly.

If the Jets keep winning games and play themselves out of a top-five pick, Falk will become a name to watch.

Next matchup: 10/7 @ Oregon at 8:00 p.m. (FOX)

Im not sure what else I would want read, other then a QB is accurate, goes through progressions (ie scans whole field), has a good internal clock and a mind for the game.  I know there is greater upside with someone who may or not have elite physical skills, but I would rather move down in the first, pick up another selection and take someone like Falk who can step in, command a short-passing offense, and use the additional picks to strengthen the team around him.

Falk is quickly becoming the guy I want for 2018 and beyond

You don't have to win me over, I've been blowing his horn since last year. He's got NFL touch, timing and accuracy. I think he actually stands a chance to be better in the NFL -- working in pro offense that takes advantage of his skills 

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7 hours ago, Paradis said:

You don't have to win me over, I've been blowing his horn since last year. He's got NFL touch, timing and accuracy. I think he actually stands a chance to be better in the NFL -- working in pro offense that takes advantage of his skills 

I forgot who, but some scout or coach once said, paraphrasing here: "you can get better arm strength. There's NFL training, diets, mechanic improvements that can get some more strength. But rarely can you ever become accurate in the NFL if you weren't in college."

That's so true. I think accuracy and anticipation with throws are the hardest and most important. Falk is fantastic at both. He'd be a steal in the early 2nd round. Although, he'll probably be taken in the late first.

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If Rosen/Darnold are not within reach, an accurate QB like Falk would be ideal in West coast system.   Not sure about second round, he will likely go mid to late first (a la Pennington at 18) because he is a QB and who doesn't need one these days outside of a handful of teams.

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On 10/7/2017 at 8:17 PM, Paradis said:

Tune into Wazzu @ ORE... falk time. So far, 1 pass, TD for Falk

I was very impressed with Falk's ability to stand in the pocket, while it was literally collapsing around him and still make a throw.  He did miss some throws vs Oregon, and isn't perfect, but I think his pocket presence was really good saturday night.

I also watched the Oklahoma loss and Mayfield didnt seem to lack arm strength to me.  

Given the Giants situation and another Jets win, we need to stop thinking about Rose/Darnonld (which Im fine with) and focus on Falk, Jackson and Mayfield.

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1 hour ago, Dinamite said:

Do you think Falk is going to be available as a top 12 pick, or is he going to rise up the boards and go too 5 and beyond jets reach  (because he is QB)?

This will all depend on his combine physical performance, and NFL teams willing to draft a QB high without elite physical traits coming from an offense that is the furthest away from a pro offense in Mike Leachs version of the air raid system, it's possibly the biggest gimmick offense if college football period.  

My prediction is he goes 2nd round.

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9 hours ago, Paradis said:

Wow I just watched every throw from the Boise St. and USC games from this year,l (over 80 pass attempts),  Falk completed maybe 5 passes that traveled more then 10 yards in the air, he makes Chad Pennington look like Brett Favre, when you look up Captain check down his picture will replace Penningtons in the dictionary, not to mention he was atrocious in the Boise St. game, he was effective in the win VS USC throwing nothing but 5 yard passes, and more often then not less then 5 yard passes.

I did see why people like him thou he is smart with the ball, knows where the holes are in the D, uses the entire field left to right, but very rarely vertically.  I just can't deal with another QB who will dump it off 5 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd and 7 because he doesn't feel confident in his physical abilities to fit passes in tight windows to pick up those crucial 1st downs.

I could see him get drafted by either the Patriots IF they let Garrappolo go, or McDaniels if he gets a HC job, and doesn't bring Garrappolo with him.

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I am a Falk supporter. Chances are that I am absolutely wrong, but these QBs from California dont give me enough confidence that they will be able to handle the tangible and intangible obstacles that come with playing in the NY market. I am sure they can be successful in Tenessee or Tampa Bay, but NY is a whole different thing.

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