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The 2009 Mark Sanchez led Jets went 9-7 and 2 playoff wins with a good defense why are the expectations so low?

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41 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Not arguing that at all.  I was asking about the DL.  It feels like forever that it's been the strength of this defense but back then it was all about the secondary.  So...can you rattle off the starters?

No.   My brain is not what it was.   Shaun Ellis, whoever was playing nose.  Pouha maybe?   OLB were Thomas and... Pace?   Not real pass rushers.

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25 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Pouha, Ellis, Jenkins, Devito

so maybe current team is better in one positional area.

IIRC, Pitoitua, Marques Douglas.

Pretty sure that Douglas got a ton of run. I think he was the starter, while DeVito came off the bench

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4 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In all seriousness, at what position other than Safety does any member of the 2017 Jets win a starting job on the 2009 Jets?

I do not believe either of the rookies would start on the 2009 Jets.  I believe they are both overrated.

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5 minutes ago, GKnight83 said:

I do not believe either of the rookies would start on the 2009 Jets.  I believe they are both overrated.

As though it's just that easy to pick off Hackenberg or help double up the coverage on Charone Peake. I'd like to see you do it, smart guy.

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In addition to everything said before we also had fantastic special teams which won a couple games in both 2009 and 2010. Also, we had a complete fresh and healthy Shonn Greene to run the ball in the playoffs. Oh, and the Colts actually intentionally lost to us.

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6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

As though it's just that easy to pick off Hackenberg or help double up the coverage on Charone Peake. I'd like to see you do it, smart guy.

Hey, if you do not like my opinion - fine, I will not lose any sleep over it.

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5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Re-read my ridiculous post again and then consider your reaction. :)

Come on.

Ok, reading it again I can see it can be viewed as sarcasm too.  The reason I am reading the forum at lunch is I am having a very crappy day.  I usually get a few laughs from this forum  :)  Hope your day is going better than mine.

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Just now, GKnight83 said:

Ok, reading it again I can see it can be viewed as sarcasm too.  The reason I am reading the forum at lunch is I am having a very crappy day.  I usually get a few laughs from this forum  :)  Hope your day is going better than mine.

Well it was, until you just brought me down.

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6 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Jerricho Cotchery is better than any WR currently on our roster. (in addition to everything else that has been said already)

 

keep in mind we started that season 3-1 w/ Chansi Stuckey starting for us before we got Edwards after a qtr of the season had gone by. 

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1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

In addition to everything said before we also had fantastic special teams which won a couple games in both 2009 and 2010. Also, we had a complete fresh and healthy Shonn Greene to run the ball in the playoffs. Oh, and the Colts actually intentionally lost to us.

they didn't intentionally lose to us, they rested players but that is very different and we still had to go out and win.  Keep in mind that when they removed starters midway through the 3rd we were down just 5 points, in the playoffs midway through the 3rd at SD we were down 4 points.  If that game was played under same circumstances as Indy people would say we didn't have a chance to win and SD gave it to us.  We earned the win, we earned our playoff app and we earned our title game trip. 

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9 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

If Bowles is the defensive genius he claims to be and with blue chip players Muhamed Wilkerson and Leonard Williams to play with why can't the Jets be competitive? I'm sorry the 2009 Jets offense was way worse than this teams. A rookie Sanchez was beyond bad 12td 20 int's and a 60 QB rating. Who were their receivers? No really I cant remember. Josh Mccown only by himself is leap years better than Sanchez. There seems to be this concerted emphasis on how bad this team will be because of how inept the offense looks ignoring there is major talent on defense. Now do I believe this team will win 9 games? Hell no. Why? Because Rex is actually a defensive genius and we downgraded severely when firing him for Todd Bowles. You would think at least the coach that succeeds Rex would be better at in game management but he is even worse at that as well! Now watch this team tank and go 2-14 and there will be beat reporters like Connor Hughes and Manish Mehta arguing Bowles had no chance, was set up to fail and so therefore deserves an extension.

Where is our D'Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, and Woody on the O-line?  Our T-Rich, and T Jones at RB?  Our arguably the best season ever recorded by a CB D Revis?  Out in the prime Harris, and Scott?  This team can't hold the 2009 teams jock dude.

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7 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In all seriousness, at what position other than Safety does any member of the 2017 Jets win a starting job on the 2009 Jets? 

Well defensive line for sure.

But the point remains that the 2009 team was still better on both sides of the ball and had better coaching, too.

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

Where is our D'Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, and Woody on the O-line?

Our current OL is a clown college.  The Hack/Petty lovers will get to see their heroes play in the regular season don't worry.

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

keep in mind we started that season 3-1 w/ Chansi Stuckey starting for us before we got Edwards after a qtr of the season had gone by. 

We also had Cotchery and Keller.  Keller made some very big plays for us especially in that week 1 game at Houston.

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6 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Best o-line in the league. Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, Woody would have gone down as an all time o-line if they were protecting a vet instead of a rookie. Braylon and Cotchery would be the best two wide receivers on this roster. I know everyone already said all of this but I wanted to reminisce.

Imagine if we actually landed Peyton Manning with that O-line (Tanny fumbled the ball at the goal line with that one by bringing in Tim Tebow instead).

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2 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

Imagine if we actually landed Peyton Manning with that O-line (Tanny fumbled the ball at the goal line with that one by bringing in Tim Tebow instead).

Manning was never coming here especially right after his brother won a Super Bowl in the same market

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23 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Let's see:

 

Sanchez > any qb on our roster

Rex > Bowles

Way better roster

 

Other than that both teams are very similar.

Rex is better than Bowles? I'm not sure which one of them should feel more insulted by that statement...

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1 minute ago, Freemanm said:

Rex is better than Bowles? I'm not sure which one of them should feel more insulted by that statement...

Bowles might be worse than Kotite.

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11 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

The 2009 Mark Sanchez led Jets went 9-7 and 2 playoff wins with a good defense why are the expectations so low?

Because Mark Sanchez was a bonafide NFL quarterback and no one on the roster currently comes close. 

SAR I

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15 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Because Mark Sanchez was a bonafide NFL quarterback and no one on the roster currently comes close. 

SAR I

Yep

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7 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Opponents weren't exactly starting their drives pinned inside their own 10 on a regular basis. Our sucky offense, and substandard punting, and of course the turnovers, meant not just a lot of drives starting in favorable field position, but a lot of drives in general.

But with all that factored in, the reality is our opponents' average drive started on the 30 yd line vs the 27 yd line for our own offense: not such a huge difference. We simply didn't stop teams when they did move the ball: opponents' pass TD percentage was an embarrassing 5.5%. Get that? More than 1 out of every 20 pass attempts against our defense resulted in a TD. Nearly 40% of opponents' possessions resulted in some type of scoring drive (29th rank in the league). That's independent of pick-6's and such scoring that occurred with our D off the field.

You can't "most importantly" blame the offense when the pass defense surrenders 30 TDs while picking off only 8. Opposing pass offense stats read like a damn efficient passer: on 545 attempts, completed 63% for 3900 yds at 7.2 ypa, 30 TDs, 8 INTs. For a team that disproportionately used its FA and draft resources on the defensive side of the ball - on top of an all-defense HC - that is an embarrassment.

The run D, which was far better than the pass D (as expected), won't be the same without a premiere run defender like Sheldon (also as expected). While that 4-DT line made for a slower pass rush, it was damn hard to run against us.

i agree the pass defense was poor but it still takes both the offense and the defense playing well to be successful.  the part about the offense you left out is the simple fact that playing from behind makes teams more one dimensional.  had the offense put up points early and often the defense would've performed better.  the jet offense last season was pitiful.  they weren't scaring anyone.  as for the near 3 yard differential between starting positions, as they say it's a game of inches.  3 yards doesn't sound like much but add it up over a game and it's near 10% of the offense generated.

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5 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Pouha, Ellis, Jenkins, Devito

so maybe current team is better in one positional area.

Leo is the only guy better than what we had in 09. And I take a healthy prime Jenkins over Leo any day of the week.

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