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Its not like Idzik drafted guys who didnt become stars, but were decent or average NFL players for a few years - these guys arent even in the league

Our first and second round picks have now been waived by their respective teams, neither 4th round WR is in the league, and jermiah george is barely on a team.

To say Mac is entirely at fault for this roster is absurd.  12 picks and one quality player (Enunwa) is an abomination that has likely never been seen in the NFL

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2 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Its not like Idzik drafted guys who didnt become stars, but were decent or average NFL players for a few years - these guys arent even in the league

Our first and second round picks have now been waived by their respective teams, neither 4th round WR is in the league, and jermiah george is barely on a team.

To say Mac is entirely at fault for this roster is absurd.  12 picks and one quality player (Enunwa) is an abomination that has likely never been seen in the NFL

Bad players (Milliner/Amaro) mixed with bad players that had bad attitudes (Geno/IK/Pryor) mixed with one good player who also had a bad attitude (Richardson) and you understand why this team is as bad as it is today.  

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Augustiniak

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1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

Bad players (Milliner/Amaro) mixed with bad players that had bad attitudes (Geno/IK/Pryor) mixed with one good player who also had a bad attitude (Richardson) and you understand why this team is as bad as it is today.  

it was a very tough task to inherit a team that had so many bad drafts, as well as too many bad apples.  

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Integrity28

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8 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

So they eat his contract.....well done Mac.....wonder if Pryor was one of the known cancers here.

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control
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ZachEY

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17 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Its not like Idzik drafted guys who didnt become stars, but were decent or average NFL players for a few years - these guys arent even in the league

Our first and second round picks have now been waived by their respective teams, neither 4th round WR is in the league, and jermiah george is barely on a team.

To say Mac is entirely at fault for this roster is absurd.  12 picks and one quality player (Enunwa) is an abomination that has likely never been seen in the NFL

No one says Mac is entirely at fault for the roster.  However, Mac is at fault for the fact that going into his 3rd season, the roster isn't meaningfully better than it was when he got it.

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8 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

Very nice post and I'd venture to guess at least 60-70% correct.  Not bad for a Jets fan. :)

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Augustiniak

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17 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

arguably the most interesting point here is that petty was punished, since he's the only guy left after the purge, who was "allegedly" in one of these factions.  

since we have seen bowles play favorites here, petty's treatment this preseason is not inconsistent with bowles' prior agendas.

also, i wonder if bringing back kerley somehow relates to evening out the lockerroom, since he was essentially purged by the pro-fitz camp.

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29 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

Did you dig this up at Area 51?

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16 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

I definitely think there was some level of punitive treatment of Petty for aligning with (read: kissing ass of) pro-Fitz veterans he simply looked up to, and whose approval - if not popularity - he desperately wanted. Especially if Fitz was going to QB the team, help out his development, and keep the seat warm for Petty until he was fully ready (and that wasn't in the summer of 2016). 

I don't agree that there's no aspect of suck-for-____ going on here, otherwise they could have signed more (or better) new blood to replace the outgoing ones once the space was cleared. He took a flier on Claiborne, which was his best value move of the spring, considering the risk vs reward, and other than that he overpaid for Winters while bringing in 2 low-priced tackles that would be similarly great value if either pans out. Problem is if only 1 of them pans out it still cost the $ of both of them. Not much of an offseason for a team that's purging so many veterans -- far more than it needed to in order to get under the cap. Also wouldn't explain cutting Harris, Folk, and other innocent parties. Let alone trying to extend Brandon Marshall, trying to trade Forte who had nothing to do with the Fitz lobby, etc.

If it was truly all about dumping everyone to compensate for Bowles, I don't think it would have taken much convincing to tell Woody he either has to fire Bowles, or cut so many and suffer through another terrible season with nothing to show for all the money he spent on these recently-signed veterans.

But there's a lot of good stuff here, and I agree about the HC's ineptitude. It's like the only ones he can assert power over are low-priced players who have no clout or leverage.

What a ****ing mess of incompetence all around.

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36 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

You're Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, and Dr. Cornelius all rolled into one.

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47 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

Smart post. No wonder they eventually take over the freaking planet.

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Thanks Izdick.

While Idzik actually made the pick, I would bet my life that Pryor was 100% Rex's choice. I would even venture to guess Idzik had no clue who Pryor even was. Pryor will be in uniform and ready next week for whomever NE plays.

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1 hour ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

This picture gets more Stephen Kingish with each passing year.

I think that may have been when Idzik asked Manish was going to walk home from the practice facility when Manish bet the jets would not use all of  their draft picks that year and would trade some.

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