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I admit I liked the pryor pick at the time... I bought into the "we need a hammer to cover the middle" dialogue... I thought he would really help negate the dink-and-dunk offenses that were (are) popular.

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Thanks Izdick.

While Idzik actually made the pick, I would bet my life that Pryor was 100% Rex's choice. I would even venture to guess Idzik had no clue who Pryor even was. Pryor will be in uniform and ready next week for whomever NE plays.

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1 hour ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

This picture gets more Stephen Kingish with each passing year.

I think that may have been when Idzik asked Manish was going to walk home from the practice facility when Manish bet the jets would not use all of  their draft picks that year and would trade some.

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21 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

While Idzik actually made the pick, I would bet my life that Pryor was 100% Rex's choice. I would even venture to guess Idzik had no clue who Pryor even was. Pryor will be in uniform and ready next week for whomever NE plays.

False.  100% Idzik, as was that bum Jace Amaro, who is also out of the league.

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24 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

While Idzik actually made the pick, I would bet my life that Pryor was 100% Rex's choice. I would even venture to guess Idzik had no clue who Pryor even was. Pryor will be in uniform and ready next week for whomever NE plays.

I agree about Rex making the pick. I was just goofing around.

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

I agree with most of this. I predicted Decker's release largely for his role in the Fitzpatrick debacle. I don't think management is tanking, but I don't think they mind if the by-product of cleaning house nets them a top pick next year. No doubt Bowles wanted to reset the locker room and regain control. 

Not sure about the Petty angle, as I think that's more likely draft pick politics. Also think that they were duped by their 10 win season, which is an indictment in and of itself.  

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35 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

False.  100% Idzik, as was that bum Jace Amaro, who is also out of the league.

That's what I read - that Idzik phoned Rex after checking out Pryor and gushing over him and saying how Rex was going to love him.

Rex, Idzik and Pryor ... they could make Larry, Curly and Mo look like Harvard grads.

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2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

arguably the most interesting point here is that petty was punished, since he's the only guy left after the purge, who was "allegedly" in one of these factions.  

since we have seen bowles play favorites here, petty's treatment this preseason is not inconsistent with bowles' prior agendas.

also, i wonder if bringing back kerley somehow relates to evening out the lockerroom, since he was essentially purged by the pro-fitz camp.

Kerley was purged by Chan

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

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Way, way, way too much room on that field for Pryor.  He would be even worse up there.  Imagine him trying to cover people or make open field tackles in that much space?

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when will the jets learn u dont draft safeties round one -thank god we dont have a gm that dumb with all of the holes on our team-oh wait we do and he doubled down

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3 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

I have a theory that there were a couple things at play, I break it down like this:

  • a group of veteran offensive players conspired and circumvented the head coach in soliciting the GM to bring back Fitzpatrick, this group included Mangold, Decker, Marshall and several others, including Bryce Petty
  • the head coach tolerated it, because it suited his agenda at the time - to bring back Fitz
  • when Fitz sucked, the head coach tried to bench him and that same group basically over-ruled the head coach
  • at which point the head coach realized he had not only lost the locker room, but has been usurped 
  • the defense, led most likely by vocal players like Sheldon and Pryor (since the high earners like Revis and Mo Wilk were mute), opposed the lobbying for Fitz, because they didn't want to give up their season
  • the head coach realized he had a rift that he couldn't fix, because it involved too much of the team - and he doesn't have the social capacity to bring people together
  • team nose-dives
  • new season, proponents from both opposing contingencies are purged from the roster
  • fans call this "an actual rebuild"
  • what's actually happening is that the GM is helping the HC rid the team of anyone on the team that can take the room away from him
  • every veteran player on offense that lobbied for Fitz is gone
  • Bryce Petty is penalized for his support of that group by being given an unfair chance at competing with Hackenturd
  • every veteran defensive player that worsened the divide, also gone
  • Jets present the season as a "tank", when reality is that rebuild started 3 years ago - and was disrupted NOT by 1st year success, but by internal politics 
  • this season is really about level-setting the locker room hierarchy, more than it is about "sucking for Sam" or a "youth movement"
  • this is about over-promoted leadership not having a better plan for how to regain control

While the details may or may not be correct I bet there are kernels of truth in this. There was definitely an unsustainable if not outright toxic locker room culture provided by quite a few of the veterans who are gone now- this I think is clear to see. 

Bowles is somewhat responsible for not being able to keep control over the situation (I say somewhat because there are few coaches who can tell veteran player their business) and Mac is absolutely responsible for buying into the idea that they could capitalize on 2015. Those are probably the biggest sins of the current regime.

And now they're doing the best they can to prevent that from happening by building the team from scratch with smaller egos and younger players.

 

I don't think Bryce is being punished though, his lack of reps next to hack is more likely because they needed to see more of their second rounder than anything. I'll buy that they're writing him off a bit more than he deserves because of his lackluster starts last year, but not because he was a young player trying to mingle with the vets.

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3 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

Bad players (Milliner/Amaro) mixed with bad players that had bad attitudes (Geno/IK/Pryor) mixed with one good player who also had a bad attitude (Richardson) and you understand why this team is as bad as it is today.  

They're bad. Shamone.

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34 minutes ago, kmnj said:

when will the jets learn u dont draft safeties round one -thank god we dont have a gm that dumb with all of the holes on our team-oh wait we do and he doubled down

teams draft safeties in round one all the time. Adams would have gone to some other team in the first round if not to us.

Actually when one looks at it Adams for Pryor is the most representational move of the offseason for the jets. Out goes the underperforming starter who didn't provide anything positive in the locker room when the chips were down, in comes the leader and student of the game.

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1 hour ago, Saul Goodman said:

Maccagnan sucks but no one could ever perform a worse job than John Idzik did for the Jets. Worst ever in the history of sports. 

These two are like the Scott Layden/Isiah Thomas duo for the Knicks. Each guy sucks in a somewhat unique way, end results are the same.  There is more suck in Idzik and Maccagnan than gay porno. 

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3 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

arguably the most interesting point here is that petty was punished, since he's the only guy left after the purge, who was "allegedly" in one of these factions.  

since we have seen bowles play favorites here, petty's treatment this preseason is not inconsistent with bowles' prior agendas.

also, i wonder if bringing back kerley somehow relates to evening out the lockerroom, since he was essentially purged by the pro-fitz camp.

What is Petty doing getting involved with that?

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2 hours ago, jamesr said:

That's what I read - that Idzik phoned Rex after checking out Pryor and gushing over him and saying how Rex was going to love him.

Rex, Idzik and Pryor ... they could make Larry, Curly and Mo look like Harvard grads.

Idzik personally scouted Pryor.  That's some good stuff right there.

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