Tinstar Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 McLendon is the same exact type of player as Williams, Wilk and Richardson . He's a DT who's best going after the QB and a poor replacement for Harrison . Pennell is a solid backup, but I don't think he has the stamina to be a full time NT . It was evident today how important a true NT is to a front 7. The other thing that has to happen is this team needs to get Freddie Bishop back who's clearly better at setting the edge than Josh Martin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 McLendon is garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: McLendon is garbage McLendon is not garbage whoever was wearing Richardson's old number was trash and Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, legler82 said: McLendon is not garbage whoever was wearing Richardson's old number was trash and Lee. He is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Every time I focused on him, he was being pushed back several yards easily. He's old and overpaid. Why he's still a Jet, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 I wouldn't say he's garbage, he's just not a NT . The Bills doubled Williams and Wilkerson and ran inside of them all day . The QB got outside at will because neither of our OLBers played their responsibility. When playing a mobile QB, an OLBer cannot crash down inside on every run play. You may not make many plays, but you have to stay wide and protect the edge . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Pittsburgh tossed him to the curb and Jets thought they signed a Hall of Fame DL these type of signings need to STOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 LOL...I can't believe McClendon is the scapegoat for today's disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, legler82 said: LOL...I can't believe McClendon is the scapegoat for today's disaster. The entire defense sucked but McClendon was bad and fans on this board bashed Revis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The entire defense sucked but McClendon was bad and fans on this board bashed Revis? As painful as it will be, I'm going to rewatch the game because I didn't see McClendon awfulness was that glaring. The Jets rotated a lot of d-linemen; I don't see how one can be singled out but I'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, legler82 said: As painful as it will be, I'm going to rewatch the game because I didn't see McClendon awfulness was that glaring. The Jets rotated a lot of d-linemen; I don't see how one can be singled out but I'll see. He had many chances to stop the run and he whiffed on tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: He had many chances to stop the run and he whiffed on tackles. Like I said I would, I just rewatched all the defensive snaps on NFL Gamepass to see if I missed something or was losing my mind. I feel vindicated; this is NOT true. McClendon did not whip on tackles. First of all he didn't play that many snaps and second he actually had a pretty good game; maybe the best out of the interior d-linemen. He had 4 tackles which was tied for second with Leo for the most tackles by an interior d-lineman. He wasn't making those downfield. The guys that stunk it up was the fake Richardson #91, have no idea who this guy is but he sucks, Mo and Lee. I have no problems with cutting McClendon just for the simple fact we are going with a youth movement. In fact, I thought he should have been cut during the offseason with the rest of the overpriced old heads. However citing this game as the reason is misguided. Maybe you guys are confusing #91 with McClendon. I get it; we were just gashed by the Bills to the tune of +/- 200 yards and the immediate reaction is to blame the starting NT but it's not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Tinstar said: McLendon is the same exact type of player as Williams, Wilk and Richardson . He's a DT who's best going after the QB and a poor replacement for Harrison . Pennell is a solid backup, but I don't think he has the stamina to be a full time NT . It was evident today how important a true NT is to a front 7. The other thing that has to happen is this team needs to get Freddie Bishop back who's clearly better at setting the edge than Josh Martin . Josh Martin was one of the only pleasant surprises today. Him and Ealy are keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 12 hours ago, HessStation said: Josh Martin was one of the only pleasant surprises today. Him and Ealy are keepers. Just because a player gets a sack or provides pressure doesn't mean he's doing a good job . Taylor got outside of him numerous times and truth be told, he's nothing more than a designated pass rusher and a decent one at best . Him and Ealy hit the QB so today they're keepers . The Jets couldn't stop the run, but that doesn't matter because 2 guys hit the QB . The Bills double teamed Williams and Wilkerson , and ran on our NTs who couldn't handle single blocking. When the bills chose to run outside, they sucked the outside linebackers in every single time and got the corner easily . Rushing the QB is a great asset, but it's only good if you do what's important on the early downs. The Jets lost that game because they couldn't stop the run, but more importantly, because they constantly allowed Tyrod Taylor to get outside and either run for 1st downs or extend the play and find a receiver . Today, because 2 guys hit the QB, they're keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Tinstar said: Just because a player gets a sack or provides pressure doesn't mean he's doing a good job . Taylor got outside of him numerous times and truth be told, he's nothing more than a designated pass rusher and a decent one at best . Him and Ealy hit the QB so today they're keepers . The Jets couldn't stop the run, but that doesn't matter because 2 guys hit the QB . The Bills double teamed Williams and Wilkerson , and ran on our NTs who couldn't handle single blocking. When the bills chose to run outside, they sucked the outside linebackers in every single time and got the corner easily . Rushing the QB is a great asset, but it's only good if you do what's important on the early downs. The Jets lost that game because they couldn't stop the run, but more importantly, because they constantly allowed Tyrod Taylor to get outside and either run for 1st downs or extend the play and find a receiver . Today, because 2 guys hit the QB, they're keepers. Yeah, they both outplayed Jordan Jenkins. Neither were perfect but for an UDFA and a guy signed 3 days ago both played well. Both got a nice pop off the line and played hard. Williams and Wilkerson weren't doubled all game and the ILBs and NTs stunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Every Maccagnan draft pick on the roster gets us a little closer to the first overall pick, so sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Claude Pelon was wearing #91. He is a 2nd year UDFA out of USC. He was a final cut last year and spent time on the practice squad. He is the kind of 3-4 DE we probably should be developing instead of dropping top 10 picks and eight figure contracts on. He did not look good, but those were his first NFL snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 13 hours ago, legler82 said: Like I said I would, I just rewatched all the defensive snaps on NFL Gamepass to see if I missed something or was losing my mind. I feel vindicated; this is NOT true. McClendon did not whip on tackles. First of all he didn't play that many snaps and second he actually had a pretty good game; maybe the best out of the interior d-linemen. He had 4 tackles which was tied for second with Leo for the most tackles by an interior d-lineman. He wasn't making those downfield. The guys that stunk it up was the fake Richardson #91, have no idea who this guy is but he sucks, Mo and Lee. I have no problems with cutting McClendon just for the simple fact we are going with a youth movement. In fact, I thought he should have been cut during the offseason with the rest of the overpriced old heads. However citing this game as the reason is misguided. Maybe you guys are confusing #91 with McClendon. I get it; we were just gashed by the Bills to the tune of +/- 200 yards and the immediate reaction is to blame the starting NT but it's not that simple. Rewatch it again. Claude Pelón (91) was bad in the first half and barely saw the field in the second half. McClendon was gashed on running plays, easily moved backwards and out of the play allowing them to seal off Williams with a double team. Jordan Jenkins had a good game against the run and had minimal yardage gained to his side. They targeted Martin on run plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Rewatch it again. Claude Pelón (91) was bad in the first half and barely saw the field in the second half. McClendon was gashed on running plays, easily moved backwards and out of the play allowing them to seal off Williams with a double team. Jordan Jenkins had a good game against the run and had minimal yardage gained to his side. They targeted Martin on run plays. The Bills used Martin's aggressiveness against him and it worked . They played games with our rookie safeties and it worked . They molested our NTs and it worked . I can forgive the inside runs, but allowing the QB to get outside when you know that's his game is unforgivable . It shows a lack of understanding of the opponent . Ealy and Martin are game specific players and this team needs a true NT . Both guys are nothing more than DPRs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Amazing how overrated the DL is. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 20 hours ago, Tinstar said: McLendon is the same exact type of player as Williams, Wilk and Richardson . He's a DT who's best going after the QB and a poor replacement for Harrison . Pennell is a solid backup, but I don't think he has the stamina to be a full time NT . It was evident today how important a true NT is to a front 7. The other thing that has to happen is this team needs to get Freddie Bishop back who's clearly better at setting the edge than Josh Martin . throw in wilk at the same time. wilk is not being paid to be a non factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 McClendon is fine. Pelon had a great camp but not sure he did a good job yesterday. Worst part of the defense was that when a back got past the D-line, there was nobody there to meet them. Too easy getting beyond the second level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, AFJF said: McClendon is fine. Pelon had a great camp but not sure he did a good job yesterday. Worst part of the defense was that when a back got past the D-line, there was nobody there to meet them. Too easy getting beyond the second level. I can't pinpoint every play live but on replays it was Lee multiple times. Davis didn't look great but people are being a little too hard on him for that long pass play when he lost the TE, Taylor escaped the pocket and the TE was on his second move in the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Jetmech said: Amazing how overrated the DL is. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk It's tough to truly judge the D line vs the Bills for two reasons: 1- Tyrod Taylor is very elusive. He can make most DL look silly on pressure from up the middle 2- Shady Mccoy is the same. He is probably the most elusive back in the league (not the best, just most elusive). They will get a much more standard matchup this coming week against Carr (typical pocket passer) and Lynch (hard nosed runner). If they get zero pressure and let Lynch gash them, THEN I will be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It's tough to truly judge the D line vs the Bills for two reasons: 1- Tyrod Taylor is very elusive. He can make most DL look silly on pressure from up the middle 2- Shady Mccoy is the same. He is probably the most elusive back in the league (not the best, just most elusive). They will get a much more standard matchup this coming week against Carr (typical pocket passer) and Lynch (hard nosed runner). If they get zero pressure and let Lynch gash them, THEN I will be worried. I guess just two years of regressed play from the DL. Was snacks that good? Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Jetmech said: I guess just two years of regressed play from the DL. Was snacks that good? Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Snacks was that good. Richardson was that good Mo Wilkerson was that good and now have No Show Wiklerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, Jetmech said: I guess just two years of regressed play from the DL. Was snacks that good? Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Yes, Haven't you notice that since he left, Wilkerson and our inside linebackers are non existent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, kdels62 said: Rewatch it again. Claude Pelón (91) was bad in the first half and barely saw the field in the second half. McClendon was gashed on running plays, easily moved backwards and out of the play allowing them to seal off Williams with a double team. I'd love to see some gifs of this or cite specific play examples that we can go back look. Aside from couple of plays in the first quarter I didn't see him routinely "easily moved backwards" as you stated. While McClendon is not the stoutest NT at the POA (he would much prefer to shoot the gap, which Bowles defense allows for at times), he certainly was not the main culprit for yesterday's poor run defense. The goats yesterday were our ILBs. They kept chasing the ball ending up overpursuing and getting caught in the clutter once McCoy would cut back. Bills ran stretch plays that at first would appear to be going off tackle based on the o-linemen keys which McCoy would cut back between DE and the NT where the ILB is supposed to be. In a lot of the big plays Lee would be Davis' fit or visa versa. There was no trust between those 2. Same thing happened a couple times in nickel between Davis and Adams. Williams was double teamed mostly on passing downs where we went with a 4 down linemen look, and Mo could not take advantage. Again I don't care if McClendon is cut or not; I'd actually prefer it so a younger player can get a chance but this we got gashed because of McClendon narrative is false. He, Pennel and Williams all played well from what I saw. Yesterday's high school football rushing defense performance lay at the feet of that Pelon character (who did see time in the 2nd half), Mo and more importantly our ILBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 While people still want to point at Simon as "hit" in the draft, he is sitting there on the practice squad. Any team looking for a nose can have him. The Jets being stacked at DL is not an issue. He cleared waivers. This isn't a case where teams were waiting to poach our cuts. Not like Pennel who we jumped on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Tinstar said: The Bills used Martin's aggressiveness against him and it worked . They played games with our rookie safeties and it worked . They molested our NTs and it worked . I can forgive the inside runs, but allowing the QB to get outside when you know that's his game is unforgivable . It shows a lack of understanding of the opponent . Ealy and Martin are game specific players and this team needs a true NT . Both guys are nothing more than DPRs . You're being way too hard on both players, Taylor is probably the most elusive Qb in the NFL. He can give all pro players fits. They both did a good job coming off the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Yes, Haven't you notice that since he left, Wilkerson and our inside linebackers are non existent . LB's have been non-existent here for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 hours ago, joewilly12 said: LB's have been non-existent here for years. I saw Taiwan Jones make a tackle yesterday for the Bills. The Jets signed him as a UDFA. He seemed to be a poor man's David Harris. Thought we could use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Mcclendon isn't as good as Snacks and he doesn't make as much money as he does now. But he's a reliable professional and not the problem on defense. Sure when he matches up with McCoy he gets the short end of that every time but he did have 4 tackles yesterday and one solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Simon is easily the most overrated player on this messageboard by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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