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Back the Brinks truck up to Ann Arbor, and give Harbaugh whatever you need to get him to come here and get the next QB. He made Alex Smith relevant and was able to work wonders with Kaep (who suddenly looked awful once Harbaugh left).

I don't know exactly who the problem was in San Fran, it could have been Harbaugh but I would work to bring him here. Especially if we are in a position to get Darnold or Rosen. We can't afford to not have a strong Offensive/QB presence if we get a young stud at QB.

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I am one of the few Bowles supporters here but really want to see how he's going to handle this season being in an impossible situation. That said, reading every post in this thread, makes me want to support Bowles even more. 

Bowles biggest mistake in his career was not taking the interview with Atlanta.

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2 hours ago, RESNewYork said:

I am one of the few Bowles supporters here but really want to see how he's going to handle this season being in an impossible situation. That said, reading every post in this thread, makes me want to support Bowles even more. 

Bowles biggest mistake in his career was not taking the interview with Atlanta.

he would have been exposed in Atlanta too.  we had a very talented team year 1 w/ every break imaginable and he still couldn't get us to the playoffs. yes Atl is more talented in an easier division to compete w/ a NE dominating but they wouldn't have been a SB team w/ Bowles. we easily should have made the playoffs in 2015, we should have competed last year and so far this year we blew a very winnable game in week 1. he's in over his head as a head coach in this league.

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2 hours ago, RESNewYork said:

I am one of the few Bowles supporters here but really want to see how he's going to handle this season being in an impossible situation. That said, reading every post in this thread, makes me want to support Bowles even more. 

Bowles biggest mistake in his career was not taking the interview with Atlanta.

I'm not a Bowles supporter, and I can't see how anyone really could be right now.  But, I am a "you're a damn moron if you think this mess is Bowles's fault or he's even 10% of the problem with this team right now" fan.

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3 hours ago, Stark said:

Back the Brinks truck up to Ann Arbor, and give Harbaugh whatever you need to get him to come here and get the next QB. He made Alex Smith relevant and was able to work wonders with Kaep (who suddenly looked awful once Harbaugh left).

I don't know exactly who the problem was in San Fran, it could have been Harbaugh but I would work to bring him here. Especially if we are in a position to get Darnold or Rosen. We can't afford to not have a strong Offensive/QB presence if we get a young stud at QB.

Harbaugh is getting 9M per year at his college alma matter which has been described as his 'dream job' with less pressure to win, less media attention, and a better lifestyle.  What exactly will you offer him?  15M?

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On September 11, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Lupz27 said:

Pat Shurmur?

 

On September 11, 2017 at 10:43 PM, legler82 said:

Damn beat me to it...Great minds!  I posted the following in the Dalvin Cook thread but it probably belongs here:

 

On September 12, 2017 at 10:25 PM, SenorGato said:

Shurmur really might be interesting enough beyond the obvious Harbaugh. 

 

Thought the same thing in the other speculating next HC thread and posted this:

On September 14, 2017 at 0:58 PM, Gas2No99 said:

Jets should hire Pat Shurmur as their next HC:

 

Coaching Results

 
      Playoffs   Challenges  
Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Num Won Notes
2011 46 Cleveland Browns NFL 16 4 12 0 .250         4 5 3  
2012 47 Cleveland Browns NFL 16 5 11 0 .313         4 7 3  
2015 50 Philadelphia Eagles NFL 1 1 0 0 1.000         2 4 1 Interim head coach for Week 17 
3 yrs     33 10 23 0 .303 0 0 0   3.3 16 7  
2 yrs CLE   32 9 23 0 .281 0 0 0   4.0 12 6  
1 yr PHI   1 1 0 0 1.000         2.0 4 1  

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  Overall Offense Rushing Off Passing Off Defense Rushing Def Passing Def
Year Tm Role Tms WL% T/G Pts± Yds± Yds Pts GvA Att Yds TD Y/A FL Att Yds TD Int NY/A Yds Pts TkA Att Yds TD Y/A FR Att Yds TD Int nY/A
2009 STL OC 32 32 30 32 30 29 32 27 22 20 32 11 22 16 28 29 28 31 29 31 29 27 27 31 20 13 4 25 14 31 31
2010 STL OC 32 17 10 19 24 26 26 8 14 25 24 31 2 5 21 25 13 30 19 12 17 8 17 4 22 10 24 19 7 19 9
2011 CLE HC 32 28 13 27 28 29 30 4 21 28 32 31 5 11 24 27 8 30 10 5 25 31 30 18 21 7 2 2 4 28 6
2012 CLE HC 32 26 12 24 29 25 24 17 24 24 13 21 9 13 19 28 26 25 23 19 9 23 19 21 13 8 27 25 21 11 17
2013 PHI OC 32 10 4 9 10 2 4 4 4 1 2 1 16 27 9 5 3 3 29 17 3 19 10 15 4 5 32 32 14 8 22
2014 PHI OC 32 11 26 8 11 5 3 32 7 9 5 15 31 5 6 12 32 11 28 22 6 28 15 21 5 1 27 31 28 21 20
2015 PHI HC 32 17 22 20 26 12 13 29 11 14 10 21 28 6 12 20 26 19 30 28 10 30 32 10 28 11 28 28 31 10 15
  PHI OC 32 17 22 20 26 12 13 29 11 14 10 21 28 6 12 20 26 19 30 28 10 30 32 10 28 11 28 28 31 10 15
2016 MIN OC 32 17 4 15 18 28 23 7 25 32 26 32 24 12 18 21 2 21 3 6 7 14 20 3 17 4 10 3 11 12 2
2017 MIN OC 32 1 10 9 6 2 5 1 9 6 16 6 1 18 2 3 1 1 18 13 22 9 8 1 8 13 20 23 9 19 26
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3 yrs PHI OC   64 49 65 54 83 82 35 80 78 85 65 25 64 75 65 40 69 13 33 83 23 44 55 65 85 13 8 27 63 44
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2 yrs LAR OC   27 41 23 19 17 13 48 47 33 16 38 66 70 27 19 39 8 28 36 31 48 34 48 38 67 59 34 70 25 41
2 yrs MIN OC   75 81 66 66 56 59 91 50 44 38 44 64 56 72 66 98 69 70 73 58 67 59 97 64 77 56 63 72 55 59
1 yr PHI HC   50 34 41 22 66 63 13 69 59 72 38 16 84 66 41 22 44 9 16 72 9 3 72 16 69 16 16 6 72 56
 
 
Full Wiki Resume:
As coach:
 
  • Previous HC experience - 2 yrs - for the Browns. Hired by Holmgren,
  • Undefeated during 2nd HC job: Philly in 2015. 1-0 :D
  • Experienced OC who calls plays in a WCO and has developed young QBs as McNabb, Bradford, Weeden<_<, Foles crazy year in Philly.
  • Served UNDER HCs Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Steve Spagnuolo, Nick Saban @ MSU, and now Mike Zimmer
 
 
 
 
 
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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

he would have been exposed in Atlanta too.  we had a very talented team year 1 w/ every break imaginable and he still couldn't get us to the playoffs. yes Atl is more talented in an easier division to compete w/ a NE dominating but they wouldn't have been a SB team w/ Bowles. we easily should have made the playoffs in 2015, we should have competed last year and so far this year we blew a very winnable game in week 1. he's in over his head as a head coach in this league.

we are both speculating since we could never prove this but I wonder what Dan Quinn would be doing with this jet team for the last 2 seasons and 1 game. I do know Quinn was the HC in the biggest super bowl collapse ever.  And the falcons are not more talented they are infinitely more talented. It's not even close.

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My money would be on Todd Haley.  Started his coaching career with the Jets.  He has completely transformed Pitt's offense from a smash mouth running team that couldn't throw the ball to a smash mouth vertical passing game that regardless of where they draft their receivers, they all turn out to be stars.  

He is a no nonsense coach that would be the most creative offensive coach we have had in at least 3 decades.  Let him pick between Darnold and Rosen.

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6 hours ago, gEYno said:

I'm not a Bowles supporter, and I can't see how anyone really could be right now.  But, I am a "you're a damn moron if you think this mess is Bowles's fault or he's even 10% of the problem with this team right now" fan.

He's definitely not 10%. Much closer to 60%

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2 hours ago, afjetsfan said:

The Jets can get a great head coach but they will need to make him the highest paid coach in the history of football and they will need to give him complete control.  He'll need to be able to punch Woody in the nuts and Woody will have to thank him and ask for another.

Only true if said head coach is a "name" coach. We don't need that. We just need the right young guy.

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I'll play along, if there are changes the Jet job will be highly sought after
because:

- They'll have a high pick in a draft where the QB position may be as deep
as 2004 (Manning, Rivers & Roethlisberger).  And the opportunity to get/mold
a young QB gets every coaches attention.  Guys like Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw
definitely come into play

- If Harbaugh or Shaw come they'll be given full control of the organization with
the opportunity to create their own front office 

- Cap space of 80 million dollars

- A defense with foundation players like Leonard Williams and Jamal Adams  

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On ‎9‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 3:06 PM, RESNewYork said:

we are both speculating since we could never prove this but I wonder what Dan Quinn would be doing with this jet team for the last 2 seasons and 1 game. I do know Quinn was the HC in the biggest super bowl collapse ever.  And the falcons are not more talented they are infinitely more talented. It's not even close.

I'd rather collapse in the SB than not show up against a dead team in week 17 w/ the playoffs on the line.  yes Atl is more talented but a big reason they are so much better is b/c of the coaches.

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2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I'd rather collapse in the SB than not show up against a dead team in week 17 w/ the playoffs on the line.  yes Atl is more talented but a big reason they are so much better is b/c of the coaches.

You really believe last year's falcons team overachieved and the 2015 Jets underachieved and the reason was coaching? 

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On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 9:10 AM, RESNewYork said:

You really believe last year's falcons team overachieved and the 2015 Jets underachieved and the reason was coaching? 

Coaching played a major role.  I believe if the teams switch the HC's we make the playoffs in 2015 and Atlanta does not reach SB in 2016.

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On 9/10/2017 at 9:14 PM, LionelRichie said:

There are literally no blue chip prospects on this roster and there is a perpetually dysfunctional reporting relationship where HC and GM both report to the owner.   I can see the failed retreads lining up but I don't see a premiere candidate taking over this dumpster fire when other, better positions will be available.  

Harbaugh is pipe dream, Gruden is a broadcaster - although his brother may be available.  Not sure there will be many options who would want this gig.    

Sean Payton may become available next year, especially if Drew Brees retires. He can't seem to get the Saints defense to respectability and that may be his undoing. In any case I would love a Parcells guy as the new HC.

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29 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Sean Payton may become available next year, especially if Drew Brees retires. He can't seem to get the Saints defense to respectability and that may be his undoing. In any case I would love a Parcells guy as the new HC.

We have a Parcells guy as the current HC.  How's that working out? :)

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On 9/15/2017 at 7:43 PM, johnnysd said:

He's definitely not 10%. Much closer to 60%

I'd go with a true 50/50. It's obvious they've both had a lot of input on the roster and draft. Exact number is impossible to say, but Bowles has clearly had input on the draft.

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4 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Coaching played a major role.  I believe if the teams switch the HC's we make the playoffs in 2015 and Atlanta does not reach SB in 2016.

I would definitely agree with that but I don't know how Quinn didn't insist that they run off tackle three times and kick the FG after Jones caught that ball at the NE 22 late in the SB. Very likely 11 point lead with under 4:00 to go.....

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3 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

Sean Payton may become available next year, especially if Drew Brees retires. He can't seem to get the Saints defense to respectability and that may be his undoing. In any case I would love a Parcells guy as the new HC.

Well we have Bowles, Parcells guy.

I would like Payton, but he seems to have the same issue as REX/BOWLES. Only cares about his side of the ball. New Orleans hasn't had a defense since Greg Williams. 

I think we need an offensive minded HC, but we have to get a guy that understands the importance of both. No more neglecting 1 side of the ball completely. 

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4 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

Sean Payton may become available next year, especially if Drew Brees retires. He can't seem to get the Saints defense to respectability and that may be his undoing. In any case I would love a Parcells guy as the new HC.

It all hinges on us getting the #1 pick.  If we draft Darnold a big high profile guy like Payton, Gruden or even Harbaugh would be tempted to come here.

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