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With this OL Cook would struggle a lot. Our first 3 picks were offensive just not on that side of the ball. It is what it is. Will bitchin' and moanin' change it? Nah. But it sure might save some lives.

 

 

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It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.  Vikings have a very good OL, Jets, not exactly.

I am in the minority, for sure, but I don't care that they took 2 safeties.  They needed two safeties.  They needed lots of things.  And if I'm complaining about the rookie RBs they could have had, Dalvin Cook isn't the one I'm complaining about.  I'd rather have the Kareem Hunt or Tariq Cohen.

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1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said:

It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.  Vikings have a very good OL, Jets, not exactly.

I am in the minority, for sure, but I don't care that they took 2 safeties.  They needed two safeties.  They needed lots of things.  And if I'm complaining about the rookie RBs they could have had, Dalvin Cook isn't the one I'm complaining about.  I'd rather have the Kareem Hunt or Tariq Cohen.

With Bowles, would a rookie RB ever see the field? What do we know about E McGuire? Nothing. He was watching from the sidelines a 32 yr old washed up Forte. 

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He dropped two passes that I saw.  Doesn't take away from his running game but there's that.

Yea, I mean honestly two dropped passes in his first real game means very little. People also like to think that just because a guy looks good on one team it automatically transfers to every team which it doesn't. Patriot backup qbs look like they can light the world on fire when they step in for brady but I haven't seen a single one go on to even have a long successful career in a backup position. I hope this kid has a good career because it makes for good football games but I am certainly not going to induct him into the hall of fame for getting what 127 yards and no touchdown in his first game?

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9 hours ago, varjet said:

How is he doing?  If Cook is playing well, my guess is that he is too, particularly since Vikings fans were worried about the OL.

Elflein was clearly the 3rd round pick for a team that currently has a C who is not very good playing for a RFA 1 year contract.

If you were trying to build a team, Macc's draft picks are basically moronic and one of the major reasons the team is as bad as it is.

Two of the best Jets offensive players on the field were basically other teams castaways acquired over the last 2 weeks.

Although Cook would have been a good pick, I was much more upset watching Elflien last night, who looked outstanding as a rookie starting center.  

Rick Speilman is doing a great job in minnesota, seems like they have playmakers all over the field on offense and defense.

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Passing on Elflein to me is up there with drafting Hack and Jarvis Harrison as just bad judgment.  You will always miss on draft picks, but at least they can make sense.  

Passing on Elflein makes no sense unless you believe in drafting OL low.  Seems the better teams differ. 

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Not drafting running backs in the first round is the rule...however never drafting any running backs is probably not the way to go. The Jets have 1 running back who's actually in his prime, a 7th round rookie and zero return specialists. And Matt Forte. Where do these draft picks go?

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Way too many fans expect that the Jets could rebuild this team in 3 drafts. 1- We DON'T have a QB! He took a couple of shots & missed. No GM will have success in this league until they find a QB. 

We have 2 starters from the Tanny/Rex-Idzik/Rex regime, Mo & Winters and Bilal Powell is an average running back. Because of the past drafts the Jets are like a leaking ship with numerous holes to plug and we lost our best player from that regime in Enunwa to injury.

He got a 2nd & a 2/3 WR in Kearse. Shell graded well so hopefully he'll be a 10 year RT. Adams looked good & Maye was ok (it was their 1st f*cking game). We've switched gears & are trying to improve through the draft. 2018 will be the year for offense. I see us hopefully in position for a young top college QB, we'll have 2 twos & a high 3rd. We'll have close to 100 million in free agency which Macc should concentrate on targeting a pass rusher & the Oline if a team gets cute with a player.

We haven't even seen McGuire yet, who looked good in preseason. Stewart looks to have a little Rod Smith in him, we have no idea how Hansen will develop (he could be a Decker type for all you know). We all know Bowles sucks, just watching what Zimmer is doing with that Vikings defense in year 3 tells me everything I need to know about Bowles. 

Competetitive rebuild in 2015 was fun but set this franchise back like it always does when players need contracts or get old. There is ALWAYS a reason why players like Edwards, Holmes, Marshall, are available. Usually they are malcontent Divas or their respective teams believe they want TOO MUCH MONEY. You can have flashes of success but it's not sustainable, especially without a franchise QB.

So, like other fans have said, sit back, cheer for individual players to develop, hope we stay competitive & lose enough to finally have a chance at Darnold, Rosen, or even Allen who scouts compare to a Wentz. No one knows for sure whether any of these QBs is the answer & will be great pros, but at least we're in the running during a year which many, many pundants say 2018 looks like the best QB class since 2004. 

Now if we ignore offense in 2018 I would lose my sh*t but I don't see that happening. Enjoy the 2017 season like your watching European football league and the Jets are just trying to develop players. It's kinda fun actually because I was under no illusion that we had a chance of a winning season. Hopefully McGuire is brushing up on his blitz pickups as it's only a matter of time when Morton benches cement shoes Forte or Powell gets hurt. 

Maybe at some point we get to see Petty slinging it around to all these young WRs & TEs. Bitching every week is counterproductive to my happiness so like last week, I cheered them on, laughed when Bowles went for 2 & then punted down 2 scores with 4 minutes left & went on with my day knowing we were 1 more week closer to having a chance at a QB. It's all good.

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26 minutes ago, varjet said:

Passing on Elflein to me is up there with drafting Hack and Jarvis Harrison as just bad judgment.  You will always miss on draft picks, but at least they can make sense.  

Passing on Elflein makes no sense unless you believe in drafting OL low.  Seems the better teams differ. 

Completely agree.  Although Wes Johnson is a serviceable nfl player, Center was actually a need for us and to see a versatile player like Elflein sitting right there, I hated passing on him at the time.  

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I loved Cook but what would cook be doing for us this year? Odds are he'd play poorly playing alongside garbage talent and the same sojfs whining in this thread would be whining that he's a bust. 

This was the year to stick up on offensive line help. There wasn't much at the top of the draft so we should have traded down and grabbed a few prospects to help rebuild the offense..

 

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What is the point of this post? Jamal Adams played very well as well. Cook had a great first game. Who cares...

Am I suppose to understand that because Dalvin Cook had a great game on a much better team that now Jamal Adams sucks? He was considered arguably the best player in the draft...

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Dalvin Cook could be someone who just got away.   He was not a good fit for the NY Jets.  He has serious lifestyle and friend issues.  If he was drafted and developed behavioral issues like SR did, Macc would have been pilloried.  

To me passing on QBs, CBs and a C was more damning than passing on Cooks and Mixon.

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6 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

They needed two safeties.

And there are plenty of ways to acquire Safeties that don't usually involve reaching for two in the first two rounds of one of the best drafts of the past 30 years.

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3 hours ago, varjet said:

  He was not a good fit for the NY Jets. 

And who is?  Devin Smith?  Darron lee? Lorenzo Maulin'?  Christina Wackenturd?

3 hours ago, varjet said:

To me passing on QBs, CBs and a C was more damning than passing on Cooks and Mixon.

I actually agree with you on this point.  The pick in round 2 had to be Deshone Kizer but, Jets.

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Dalvin Cook will have a more impactful NFL career than Marcus Maye. We've all been through this argument already, but I don't see how there's any justification for taking another safety over a RB in the 2nd round. 

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2 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Dalvin Cook will have a more impactful NFL career than Marcus Maye. We've all been through this argument already, but I don't see how there's any justification for taking another safety over a RB in the 2nd round. 

The funny thing is Cook actually could have had an even bigger monster game yesterday if he hadn't dropped three passes.  He actually looked really stiff and nervous in the 1st quarter.

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To me, Mac's decision to not take Cook is more of a fireable offense that the Hack pick.

Picking Cook would have potentially solidified the RB position for the next 5 yrs...minimum.

He could have traded both Forte and Powell for additional picks and NO one would have said boo.

Instead, he fell in love with his pick of May. I think he had May as his 2nd pick before the draft started.

but once Adams fell on his lap, Cook should have been his pick.

So much for best available player...

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Remember that these two safeties are playing with a very weak LB and CB group.  They are forced to be leaders as rookies with a bunch of average to below average players (not including the Big Cat). Landon Collins play got significantly better in his 2nd year after the Giants gave him help in the secondary.  Give these guys a chance to grow and hope that the GM fills in the other pieces in the next two years.  Williams, Adams and May are the young buck nucleus.  We will get there eventually.

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8 hours ago, bealeb319 said:


Yea, I mean honestly two dropped passes in his first real game means very little. People also like to think that just because a guy looks good on one team it automatically transfers to every team which it doesn't. Patriot backup qbs look like they can light the world on fire when they step in for brady but I haven't seen a single one go on to even have a long successful career in a backup position. I hope this kid has a good career because it makes for good football games but I am certainly not going to induct him into the hall of fame for getting what 127 yards and no touchdown in his first game?

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Not even a single one? Cassel started over 50 games since he left Boston and just signed a 2 year deal in Tennessee.  Brian Hoyer's name ring a bell?  He is starting in San Francisco.  Ryan Mallet is in Baltimore and sucking, but the Pats knew that and threw in the towel on him after one year.  Basically what you are saying is that Rohan Davey didn't have a career after he left the Pats.  Can you name the QB that looked like a world beater that hasn't even had a backup career since leaving the Pats?  I can't. 

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11 minutes ago, prime21 said:

Remember that these two safeties are playing with a very weak LB and CB group.  They are forced to be leaders as rookies with a bunch of average to below average players (not including the Big Cat). Landon Collins play got significantly better in his 2nd year after the Giants gave him help in the secondary.  Give these guys a chance to grow and hope that the GM fills in the other pieces in the next two years.  Williams, Adams and May are the young buck nucleus.  We will get there eventually.

So our top 6 pick needs us to spend on 2-3 top FA CBs to go with a top 10 CB pick in order to lead?  Priority pick!

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Not even a single one? Cassel started over 50 games since he left Boston and just signed a 2 year deal in Tennessee.  Brian Hoyer's name ring a bell?  He is starting in San Francisco.  Ryan Mallet is in Baltimore and sucking, but the Pats knew that and threw in the towel on him after one year.  Basically what you are saying is that Rohan Davey didn't have a career after he left the Pats.  Can you name the QB that looked like a world beater that hasn't even had a backup career since leaving the Pats?  I can't. 

Fair enough they may have went on to have good careers for themselves but none of them are bringing a team deep into the playoffs.

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8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

So our top 6 pick needs us to spend on 2-3 top FA CBs to go with a top 10 CB pick in order to lead?  Priority pick!

Yes.  They and the team need it. Our corners are seriously very bad.   Draft a RB...u need an O-line.  Draft a QB - you need a few things.  Draft a safety, decent CB's help and a LB so that they dont have to be in the boix constantly against a running team.  Sheesh, its one game and people are all over theses safeties.  

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Wish the jets could play against NO defense, and we had weapons like diggs and bradford to keep defenders out of the box.

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11 minutes ago, prime21 said:

Yes.  They and the team need it. Our corners are seriously very bad.   Draft a RB...u need an O-line.  Draft a QB - you need a few things.  Draft a safety, decent CB's help and a LB so that they dont have to be in the boix constantly against a running team.  Sheesh, its one game and people are all over theses safeties.  

The people that are all over the safeties are all over them for precisely the reasons that you claim they aren't going to be that successful.  These guys were sold to us as so good they will make the marginal talent around them better.  Our corners shouldn't be that bad.  Claiborne isn't bad, just injury prone and I keep hearing about Burris as if he is a talent.  Just like I hear that Shell is a talent, but our O line sucks.

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9 hours ago, bealeb319 said:


Yea, I mean honestly two dropped passes in his first real game means very little. People also like to think that just because a guy looks good on one team it automatically transfers to every team which it doesn't. Patriot backup qbs look like they can light the world on fire when they step in for brady but I haven't seen a single one go on to even have a long successful career in a backup position. I hope this kid has a good career because it makes for good football games but I am certainly not going to induct him into the hall of fame for getting what 127 yards and no touchdown in his first game?

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Are you kidding, if that was a Jets drafted running back , there would have been 14 pages of commentary of how he's a bust , sort of like when Jamaal Adams missed two tackles in a PS game.

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