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Bowles has to go and he has to go right now.

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Seferian-Jenkins is 24, fwiw.

I am not a fan of Bowles in any form or fashion, but it's just not as easy as starting every young player on the roster.  Young players need to learn from someone, and other young players aren't the people to do it.

 I think people also underestimate how many players give a rats ass about rebuilding.  Players, young or old, want to win.  If you have a coach that just flat out plays young guys simply because they are young guys, then that coach is going to lose the respect of his players almost immediately.

Im not saying guys like Forte and McCown should be playing lead roles all year, but it's not as though we have hot young prospects at those positions.  The younger guys at those  positions will play eventually.  Week 2 is not the time to do it, regardless of how crappy Bowles or the team is.

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No point to bringing in an interim to see him win a game or 2 on adrenaline and then 1. become the candidate and 2. fowl up the top pick. let this horror show play out. Need to see who the best guy is in January, whether it be someone who wants to take a pile of $ like Gruden or Cowher to take this debacle over. Or if there is some hot college coach or other candidate. 

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1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Seferian-Jenkins is 24, fwiw.

I am not a fan of Bowles in any form or fashion, but it's just not as easy as starting every young player on the roster.  Young players need to learn from someone, and other young players aren't the people to do it.

 I think people also underestimate how many players give a rats ass about rebuilding.  Players, young or old, want to win.  If you have a coach that just flat out plays young guys simply because they are young guys, then that coach is going to lose the respect of his players almost immediately.

Im not saying guys like Forte and McCown should be playing lead roles all year, but it's not as though we have hot young prospects at those positions.  The younger guys at those  positions will play eventually.  Week 2 is not the one to do it, regardless of how crappy Bowles or the team is.

I get it about ASJ, but he's more likely just a bridge guy.  Another talented knucklehead showing little interest in doing whatever it takes to be successful at the highest levels. 

And I'm not advocating only playing every young player on the roster if they aren't ready, but if we look at how our younger players are being utilized it's not encouraging.  http://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-nyj-6.php

I also get your points about players feelings and how they respect/respond to coaches.  But....this year?  Who cares?  Most of these scrubs will be gone in the offseason and Bowles will be sh*tcanned before that.  So why are we going forward with the facade?  Why pretend for the sake of the fanbase and media that we are trying?  We are clearly not.  Any player that doesn't get that after we cut all of the best talent on this team is too stupid to worry about his feelings on the rebuild anyway. 

For once, I'd like to see a singular direction and unified goals on this pos franchise.

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Todd Bowles is a good HC, who happens to be in a terrible situation . For the foreseeable future he's going to be the brunt of every Jet bias right or wrong . He's a HC, so he can take it, but some of it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the history of this franchise that he's trying to change . He may get fired, but he will have gotten fired doing things his way, and when that happens, you can sleep at night .

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40 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

His idea of a rebuild consists of us starting McCown, Kearse, Forte and Tye(then ASJ) and I'm only assuming Kerley enters the starting lineup as soon as he is able to dress.  This guy is going to cling on to veteran players to try to save his own ass.  He's not at all on board with the rebuilding efforts.  So unless you really believe that he is actively tanking (which he's not obviously) then his efforts/actions totally contradict the stated rebuilding efforts of the franchise.  He's not looking to develop young players, imo he's looking to get out of this season looking somewhat competent and playing boring, mistake free ball and stay out of the way of the punchlines on the back pages.  Either make him report to Macc or cut him for an interim coach willing to play the kids and work entirely on developing talent. 

If it's Bowles fault entirely that McCown is the starter, why is it that McCown is on the team?

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7 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Todd Bowles is a good HC, who happens to be in a terrible situation . For the foreseeable future he's going to be the brunt of every Jet bias right or wrong . He's a HC, so he can take it, but some of it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the history of this franchise that he's trying to change . He may get fired, but he will have gotten fired doing things his way, and when that happens, you can sleep at night .

If by "his way" you mean punting on 4th down down 2 scores as time is running out with a defense that couldn't stop Mccoy all day, then yeah, he's deserved to be bashed. With that said, I was one of the first here to advocate for the tank job for Darnold. I am confident that Bowles gives us the best chance to lose so the last thing i want is for him to get fired midseason. The last thing this team needs is a spark and head coach who knows what he is doing. 

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17 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Todd Bowles is a good HC, who happens to be in a terrible situation . For the foreseeable future he's going to be the brunt of every Jet bias right or wrong . He's a HC, so he can take it, but some of it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the history of this franchise that he's trying to change . He may get fired, but he will have gotten fired doing things his way, and when that happens, you can sleep at night .

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Todd Bowles is a good HC, who happens to be in a terrible situation . For the foreseeable future he's going to be the brunt of every Jet bias right or wrong . He's a HC, so he can take it, but some of it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the history of this franchise that he's trying to change . He may get fired, but he will have gotten fired doing things his way, and when that happens, you can sleep at night .

If Todd Bowles was a good head coach he would have put his career before his good friend Casey Rodgers who couldn't get anything out of a defense loaded with big names...even passed their prime they shouldn't have looked half as bad as they did. I honestly believe defensive coodinator is out weakest link at the moment and he is going to drag everyone down with him

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52 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Seferian-Jenkins is 24, fwiw.

I am not a fan of Bowles in any form or fashion, but it's just not as easy as starting every young player on the roster.  Young players need to learn from someone, and other young players aren't the people to do it.

 I think people also underestimate how many players give a rats ass about rebuilding.  Players, young or old, want to win.  If you have a coach that just flat out plays young guys simply because they are young guys, then that coach is going to lose the respect of his players almost immediately.

Im not saying guys like Forte and McCown should be playing lead roles all year, but it's not as though we have hot young prospects at those positions.  The younger guys at those  positions will play eventually.  Week 2 is not the time to do it, regardless of how crappy Bowles or the team is.

I doubt any of the players would be upset about throwing some passes over 3 yards to some young receivers.

I doubt they would be upset if we attempted to make first downs on 2nd down. You don't always need to use 3 downs to get a first.

I really don't think anyone would be upset if Petty got a start. If Hack gets into a game then there might be a revolt. 

Bowles has no problem putting his young defensive players out there. He's not worried about a revolt there. Why is that?

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29 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Todd Bowles is a good HC, who happens to be in a terrible situation . For the foreseeable future he's going to be the brunt of every Jet bias right or wrong . He's a HC, so he can take it, but some of it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the history of this franchise that he's trying to change . He may get fired, but he will have gotten fired doing things his way, and when that happens, you can sleep at night .

What have you seen over the last two years to indicate that Bowles is a GOOD coach?  I can tell you what Ive seen that tells me he's a bad coach:

1 - Terrible game manager and in-game decision maker

2 - Terrible at time management

3- Completely lost control of the locker room last year

4- Apparent unwillingness to lean on and develop young players despite being force fed a mostly young roster

 

He needs to go.  NOW. 

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39 minutes ago, Banks81 said:

The first bolded statement makes you lose all credibility.  ASJ has completely turned his life around and is doing everything it takes to become better player and man.  And no, he's not a bridge guy.  He's a guy we took a chance on that we'll likely sign long-term if he produces this year.   You should find another team to root for.  We have enough haters riding the d already. 

Proof is in his actions.  Not in the words spun by his agents to the tabloids.  We will see what kind of man he is trying to become.  But his past actions suggest he is a bum.  And it's way past time we stopped taking chances on other peoples garbage.  It almost never works out. This whole low risk, high reward...buy troubled players and give them a springboard approach was a major flaw in Tannenbaum's approach.  And when it does work, these reclamation projects want big money to stay and have no loyalty to the team who put in the work to help them resurrect their career.  See Santonio Holmes.

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4 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

What have you seen over the last two years to indicate that Bowles is a GOOD coach?  I can tell you what Ive seen that tells me he's a bad coach:

1 - Terrible game manager and in-game decision maker

2 - Terrible at time management

3- Completely lost control of the locker room last year

4- Apparent unwillingness to lean on and develop young players despite being force fed a mostly young roster

 

He needs to go.  NOW. 

Yeah but he is the emotional leader and that cannot be replaced so easily. 

His players would lean up against a brick wall for him.

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1 hour ago, Lil Woody said:

His idea of a rebuild consists of us starting McCown, Kearse, Forte and Tye(then ASJ) and I'm only assuming Kerley enters the starting lineup as soon as he is able to dress.  This guy is going to cling on to veteran players to try to save his own ass.  He's not at all on board with the rebuilding efforts.  So unless you really believe that he is actively tanking (which he's not obviously) then his efforts/actions totally contradict the stated rebuilding efforts of the franchise.  He's not looking to develop young players, imo he's looking to get out of this season looking somewhat competent and playing boring, mistake free ball and stay out of the way of the punchlines on the back pages.  Either make him report to Macc or cut him for an interim coach willing to play the kids and work entirely on developing talent. 

What's wrong with playing Kearse in the slot and letting ASJ play?  Those guys SHOULD be playing.

McCown I agree makes no sense, and neither does Forte.  I mean, I get you can't cut him because of the cost, but he could ride the pine.  UNLESS of course, someone who signs the cheques tells you to play the people who have the greatest amounts of zeroes on said cheques.

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Not going to happen now. This season is going to suck at least in the first 8 games. If the young players don't get better and the defense doesn't gel, he will be gone at the end of the year. You have 15 more games to go, so might as well get used to it.

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6 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

Proof is in his actions.  Not in the words spun by his agents to the tabloids.  We will see what kind of man he is trying to become.  But his past actions suggest he is a bum.

So what exactly does he have to do, other than show up to camp in the best shape he ever has, accept his punishment like a man, gone into rehab on his own, and talks openly about his past issues and how he wants to live moving forward?

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8 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:


If Todd Bowles was a good head coach he would have put his career before his good friend Casey Rodgers who couldn't get anything out of a defense loaded with big names...even passed their prime they shouldn't have looked half as bad as they did. I honestly believe defensive coodinator is out weakest link at the moment and he is going to drag everyone down with him

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The problem isn't the coaches, it's the players . The Jets deploy a 34 defense getting it's pass rush from their DEs . That's all wrong . If they switch to a 43, they don't have  the DEs to play the scheme (minus Ealy) and they have no true NT .  The strength of the defense is the front 7 and it's made up of 5 3T defensive tackles 1 43 DE and a bunch of players who can only operate in the 34 scheme at outside linebacker .

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15 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

I doubt any of the players would be upset about throwing some passes over 3 yards to some young receivers.

I doubt they would be upset if we attempted to make first downs on 2nd down. You don't always need to use 3 downs to get a first.

I really don't think anyone would be upset if Petty got a start. If Hack gets into a game then there might be a revolt. 

Bowles has no problem putting his young defensive players out there. He's not worried about a revolt there. Why is that?

Which young defensive players are starting ahead of someone that is better than them?

The rest of your post is confusing. What does route depth and play selection have to do with starting players that aren't the best player at their position?

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1 hour ago, Bugg said:

No point to bringing in an interim to see him win a game or 2 on adrenaline and then 1. become the candidate and 2. fowl up the top pick. let this horror show play out. Need to see who the best guy is in January, whether it be someone who wants to take a pile of $ like Gruden or Cowher to take this debacle over. Or if there is some hot college coach or other candidate. 

Let's let Blowes lose the way he wants. he gives us the best chance of losing

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Just now, CanadaSteve said:

So what exactly does he have to do, other than show up to camp in the best shape he ever has, accept his punishment like a man, gone into rehab on his own, and talks openly about his past issues and how he wants to live moving forward?

It's a nice story, and if this were a fairytale, I'd be happy with it.  But drunks relapse and fall apart. Alcoholics don't wake up one day and decide not to be alcoholics anymore.  There is always a good % chance this guy dives back into the bottle on any given day.  You want to be nice, give the benefit of the doubt to players, feel good ...I get all that.  I don't.

I'd rather my GM be clinical, cold and ruthless. I don''t want to accept players with shortcomings.  I don't want a team that rummages through the bargain bin and coms out smiling.  I want a GM that demand excellence from everyone under him, and if they fail to provide that level of professionalism and effort that is demanded of them...I would want to see them made an example of in effigy to the next players on the team.

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Just now, HawkeyeJet said:

Which young defensive players are starting ahead of someone that is better than them?

The rest of your post is confusing. What does route depth and play selection have to do with starting players that aren't the best player at their position?

Why do they have to be better? No own said anything about better.

Who is MCcown and Forte better than?

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1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I think people also underestimate how many players give a rats ass about rebuilding.  Players, young or old, want to win.  If you have a coach that just flat out plays young guys simply because they are young guys, then that coach is going to lose the respect of his players almost immediately.

He'd earn a ton of respect, including from me, if he benched Wlikerson until he started to play up to his contract.  

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