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Jets need Sean Payton and Sam Darnold to become next Bill Belechick and Tom Brady

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joewilly12

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Jets need Sean Payton and Sam Darnold to become next Bill Belichick and Tom Brady of AFC East 

Gang Green needs to steal Sean Payton from the Saints and pick up USC QB Sam Darnold in the draft.

Gang Green needs to steal Sean Payton from the Saints and pick up USC QB Sam Darnold in the draft.

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Sean Payton and Sam Darnold are the dream daily double for the Jets in 2018 to celebrate the 50-year anniversary of Super Bowl III.

Can it happen?

Yes, indeed.

Payton and Darnold would give the Jets instant credibility and a chance to become the next Brady/Belichick in the AFC East.

 

One faction of Jets Nation — a good doctor friend who (foolishly) spent $100,000 on four PSLs and whose lawyer son is among those who “masochistically cherish” the team — embraced the idea and was willing to concede a lot to make it happen.

“I’d forget Butt Fumble, forgive Idzik and crawl to New England and kiss Belichick’s rings,” he said.

The Jets are 0-2, 12.5% of the way to 0-16. As poorly as they played losing in Buffalo and Oakland, it’s still going to be awfully tough to finish off a winless season…but go ahead and find one game they are expected to win. Not even in Cleveland on Oct. 8. Good news: 1-15 or 2-14 might be good (bad) enough to get them the leadoff spot in the draft.

 
 

The No. 1 pick gets them Darnold from USC, the No. 2 pick gets them Josh Rosen from UCLA. One assumption: They each decide to enter the draft with college eligibility remaining.

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Now what about Payton? The Saints attempted to trade him to the Colts the last two years and presumably would be willing to make a deal with the Jets if Woody/Christopher Johnson aggressively pursue him with the Saints' permission and then are willing to give up, say, a fourth-round pick in 2018 and a No. 1 pick in 2019. The first-round pick in 2018 is off limits.

The list of coaches I want teaching Darnold stops at two. Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh is one, but he’s not leaving his alma mater where he has constructed his own kingdom in Ann Arbor and will win the national championship within the next two or three years.

The other is a much more realistic get: Payton and the Saints have been rumored for divorce court for years. Even though he signed a five-year, $45 million contract in March of 2016 that takes him through the 2020 season, that deal came only after the Saints first had discussions with the Colts after the 2015 season. They reopened talks again in January of 2017, 10 months after Payton signed his contract. The talks broke down over compensation.

Payton’s ego is big enough that the chance to end the half-century Super Bowl absence for the Jets and be a forever New York sports hero would surely be appealing. He has New York arrogance with a dash of charm. He would fit seamlessly into the New York sports landscape.

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Jets coach Todd Bowles is a very nice man and was a very good defensive coordinator in Arizona, but has not found his groove as a head coach. He has no chance to win this year in the Suck For Sam tanking season. He will be coming up on the final year of his contract next year, which means by the end of this season Johnson & Johnson will have to make a decision whether to extend or fire him. It’s rare an NFL head coach goes into a lame duck season. If the Jets win one or two games, how will the Jets sell a Bowles extension to their worn-out fan base?

Sam Darnold

Sam Darnold

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Payton is perfect for the Jets even though the Saints have not made the playoffs since 2013, have finished 7-9 in each of the last three years and have started at least 0-2 their last four years. He’s still a top five head coach and the No. 1 offensive mind in the NFL.

Once defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was run out of New Orleans following the Bountygate scandal that got Payton suspended for the 2012 season, the Saints have not played defense despite loading up in the draft and Payton’s employing Steve Spagnuolo, Rob Ryan and now Dennis Allen to run that side of the ball.

Even so, here’s why Payton is the right coach for the Jets:

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— Think about this: After the two-year Rich Kotite 4-28 disaster in 1995-96, the Jets have hired six straight coaches who got their Master’s in defense: Bill Parcells, Al Groh, Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan and Bowles. It’s seven if you count Belichick’s 24 hours. The NFL is a passing league. Payton is a state-of-the-art offensive coach.

— Ben McAdoo was supposed to be a quarterback guru. Payton is a quarterback guru. He helped turn Drew Brees into one of the most prolific passers in NFL history. Brees has passed for over 5,000 yards a record five times — no other QB has done it more than once — and was the Super Bowl MVP in 2009. Payton is one of the most creative offensive minds of this generation. His teams can score on anybody. Unfortunately, his defenses can’t stop anybody, either. He would inherit two All-Pro caliber players in defensive tackle Leonard Williams and safety Jamal Adams. Maybe Rex can be his defensive coordinator.

— Payton arrived in New Orleans in 2006, the year after Hurricane Katrina ripped apart The Big Easy. He has a strong emotional attachment to the city and is immortalized there after winning the Saints first Super Bowl in his fourth season. But this is his 12th year with the Saints and he and the team have hit a wall and need a change. Brees is in the final year of his contract and although he’s expected to re-sign, he is 38 years old and may be reaching the end. Payton can start over with Darnold. Maybe he can convince Brees to come to the Jets for a year to mentor him.

— He is one of the 11 coaches from the Parcells tree to become an NFL head coach. Payton is Parcells’ favorite protégé. Payton consults with him all the time. Parcells helped Payton come up with his practice schedule and speeches to the team in the week before the Super Bowl. When Payton was suspended five years ago, Parcells strongly considered Payton’s request to coach the team for him. Payton is most like Parcells of all the coaches who have worked for him. That is a good thing. He is also tight with Bill Belichick. The Saints and Patriots have practiced against each other in camp the last three years. Payton would be motivated to beat Belichick if he coached the Jets. In his only game vs. Parcells, the Saints beat the Cowboys 42-17 in Dallas in 2006. No mercy.

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— Payton knows New York and will not be intimidated. He worked for Jim Fassel with the Giants from 1999-2002, so he knows the pressure that comes with the euphoria/depression fans of Monday mornings.

— He is a bit of a Parcells control freak, so what happens to GM Mike Maccagnan? It’s too hard for the head coach to run personnel and Maccagnan has a solid plan to build through the draft. Do they have a connection? The original plan of Jets advisor Charley Casserly in 2015 was to team Maccagnan with Doug Marrone as the coach but Woody Johnson didn’t want Marrone. Maccagnan and Marrone are close friends back from the days together with the London Monarchs of the old World League when Macccagan the personnel director signed Marrone the player in 1991. Marrone was on Payton’s original staff in New Orleans in 2006 and remained until he was named head coach at Syracuse in 2009. With Marrone making the introduction, a strong Payton-Maccagnan working relationship can develop.

— As popular as Payton has been in New Orleans, there is a petition on Change.org to get him fired. Of course, it only has 31 supporters. Fans are restless with the Saints winning only two playoff games in the seven seasons since the Super Bowl. New Orleans looks like the worst team in the NFC South this year.

Payton will be 54 in December. Coaches don’t get burned out until they are 60. That would give Jets Nation six years of Payton and Darnold if all the pieces fall into place in January.

 

 
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Agree, Myers s*cks ...  I would think Payton's relationship with BB & BB's hatred of the Jets would actually lead him away from taking our job.  

 

Payton & Darnold !?!?!?! ... Holy $h*t !!!!!!!! That is my ultimate wet dream ... I'd give the 2019 #1, 2020 #2, & 2018 #3 in a heartbeat if that would close the deal !

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17 minutes ago, Pac said:

A 1st round pick for Payton on the heels of 4 7-9 seasons in a row.  Sign me up!

Sean Payton is the most over-rated HC in football. Top 3 QB the entire time he is with Saints, only wins 1 championship because Greg Williams D.

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I would 100% give up a 2019 first for Payton (assuming we have the #1 pick in 2018)

Not doing it would be idiotic. First round picks are obviously not that valuable, ours bust half the time. Would you rather have a top coach for 10 years or take your changes with a draft pick? 

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Pretty much anything Myers writes should be completely ignored.  He's a complete clown.

Also...Is there a more overrated HC than Sean Payton?  He's got a first ballot HOFer at QB and only one ring because his defense has been bottom three for about a decade now.

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Don't get all the Sean Payton love. Yes he has a SB ring, but he has had 5 winning seasons in ten years with an "elite" QB.  During the first half of his tenure, when he had those winning seasons, the NFC south was a soft division. He has never fielded even a decent defense. He is a solid experienced NFL head coach, but nobody to have wet dreams over.

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Wait he is one of Parcells boys. That alone means he is assured of God-hood right? If he costs a 4th round pick only I might be interested. To tell you the truth Myers is just an ass-clown spewing nonsense because who really gives a F*ck about anything he writes? He even suggests Rex for his DC. You know its never happening. STFU Myers. Time to retire you overreaching hack.

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10 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

Payton is an intriguing choice but no idea why Saints is going 7-9 year after year with Brees. 

People are INSANE!!

Payton is going 7-9 with a HOF QB!!!

Does anyone think that last year he would done some magic with Fitzpatrick at the helm or McCown this year?

I can guarantee you last year if Brees was here last year the Jets would have been a playoff team and the first year would have beaten Buffalo in Buffalo.

Ummm people are not realistic.....

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10 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

Payton is an intriguing choice but no idea why Saints is going 7-9 year after year with Brees. 

Exactly, I like the idea of bringing in an experienced offensive mind to possibly go with our new shiny 1st rd QB and not to say I wouldn't be interested in Payton but there is some hesistance considering how bad they've been defensively and the fact that they've been a mediocre team with Drew Brees for a while now.  He would need to be paired with a good defensive coordinator and a good GM or else we'll just be those 7-9 Saints every year.

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10 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Sean Payton is the most over-rated HC in football. Top 3 QB the entire time he is with Saints, only wins 1 championship because Greg Williams D.

This.  I say it every time this guy is brought up.  Homey can't even go .500 consistently let alone SB rings with a HOF QB?  Please.  He's garbage.  

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Sonny Werblin

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6 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

not sure since he aint won one since he left......or anything close to it.

Payton with Gregg Williams as DC:  3 seasons; 37-11; 3 seasons with 11+ wins; 3 playoff berths; 1 superbowl win

Paytone w/o Gregg Williams as DC: 7 seasons and 2 games; 57-48; 1 season with 11+ wins; 2 playoff berths; 0 superbowls

At the conclusion of this season Payton will likely have posted his 4th consecutive losing season --- with the most accurate passer in the history of the NFL as his QB.

If he can't win with Brees, why would he win with Darnold?

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Sonny Werblin

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46 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Wait he is one of Parcells boys. That alone means he is assured of God-hood right? If he costs a 4th round pick only I might be interested. To tell you the truth Myers is just an ass-clown spewing nonsense because who really gives a F*ck about anything he writes? He even suggests Rex for his DC. You know its never happening. STFU Myers. Time to retire you overreaching hack.

But Bowles is a Parcells guy too!

And, honestly Rex has not had a top 10 D since 2010. 

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2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Payton with Gregg Williams as DC:  3 seasons; 37-11; 3 seasons with 11+ wins; 3 playoff berths; 1 superbowl win

Paytone w/o Gregg Williams as DC: 7 seasons and 2 games; 57-48; 1 season with 11+ wins; 2 playoff berths; 0 superbowls

At the conclusion of this season Payton will likely have posted his 4th consecutive losing season --- with the most accurate passer in the history of the NFL as his QB.

If he can't win with Brees, why would he win with Darnold?

Oh, That's simple, his name is not Todd Bowles or Herman Edwards  and he doesn't look like either one of them . 

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