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Just now, Mogglez said:

Yeah all Maccs gotta do is just tell the other teams that need QBs and have picks 1 & 2 is this: "Hey guyz, we called dibsies back in March of last year so you gotta trade with us". 

Bears will likely be one of those teams, they just took Trubisky at 2.

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

Bears will likely be one of those teams, they just took Trubisky at 2.

I'd put my money on the 49ers and Cleveland being ahead of them.  Probably the Colts too.  

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Just now, Mogglez said:

I'd put my money on the 49ers and Cleveland being ahead of them.

I just dont think Cleveland is going to take a QB early when they just drafted one. I think Cleveland is mroe likely to trade back in for a QB.

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55 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

All this means is that all three will be looking to trade down, and demanding multiple future firsts from anyone who wants to move up. Go Jets!

We are good, we have enough safeties, we can trade up multiple firsts if needed.

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4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I just dont think Cleveland is going to take a QB early when they just drafted one.

Deshone Kizer wasn't a 1st round pick, has thrown 3 TDs to 8 INTs, is completing only 51.4% of his passes,  has a QB rating of 50.9, all before the season is even 8 games deep, and you think the Browns are gonna pass on Josh Rosen or another one of the top guys for him?

Keep dreaming.

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Just now, Mogglez said:

Deshone Kizer wasn't a 1st round pick, has thrown 3 TDs to 8 INTs, completed 51.4% of his passes before the season is even 8 games deep, and has a QB rating of 50.9 and you think the Browns are gonna pass on Josh Rosen or another one of the top guys for him?

Keep dreaming.

Then why did they draft Kizer then, if they were going to draft one this year? That makes no sense. Thats literally throwing a draft pick away. At the very least Macc thought Hackenberg could be molded (so far he's wrong). Why did Cleveland draft him?

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31 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Disagree on Bucs and Panthers barring serious injuries somewhere.

Yeah, maybe. That's why I gave us only four more wins. But five puts us at 7-9 and around a 12th pick. If the Jets win 5 games, they are out of the sweepstakes unless they give up the farm.

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6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Then why did they draft Kizer then, if they were going to draft one this year? That makes no sense. Thats literally throwing a draft pick away. At the very least Macc thought Hackenberg could be molded (so far he's wrong). Why did Cleveland draft him?

Why did the Panthers select Jimmy Clausen with a second round pick a year before drafting Cam Newton 1st overall?

It was a low risk, high reward.  They have a gazillion high draft picks and, on top of that, a 2nd round QB doesn't have the same investment it used to have.  You draft a guy like Kizer, hoping he can have a Russell Wilson/ Derek Carr/Dak Prescott type rookie year and you get lucky.  If they don't pan out, then you figure you're gonna be right where you left off with a high first anyway and you can use that to find a, hopefully, more surefire prospect.

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2 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Yeah, maybe. That's why I gave us only four more wins. But five puts us at 7-9 and around a 12th pick. If the Jets win 5 games, they are out of the sweepstakes unless they give up the farm.

If so, then give up the farm.

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Just now, Mogglez said:

Why did the Panthers select Jimmy Clausen with a second round pick before drafting Cam Newton 1st overall?

It was a low risk, high reward.  They have a gazillion high draft picks and a 2nd rounder doesn't have the same investment it used to have.  You draft a guy like Kizer, hoping he can have a Russell Wilson/ Derek Carr/Dak Prescott type rookie year and you get lucky.  If they don't pan out, then you figure you're gonna be right where you left off with a high first anyway and you can use that to find a, hopefully, more surefire prospect.

Even so, it seems like a waste 

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Hmmmm last night there were 9 teams with worse records than us and another 6 or so equal. So if the season ends today jets pick maybe 12 or 13th?

I dont think were picking in top 10.

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28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This franchise has done a spectacular job, historically, of winning games in Weeks 15-17 to ruin our draft pick slot.

I'll believe what you're saying when I see it.  As it stands, we're in no-mans land.  We're not a contender, yet we've already won too many games to realistically get a Top 2 pick.  Because we all know we're not going 0-12 the rest of the way.  

This is the worst possible start to the season.  This is not good news.  You won't get anyone to agree we're getting the "best of both worlds".  

And to make matters worse, someone will quote this post and say "root for another team then".  Because evidently only "real fans" want the 6th pick every single year.  

I've always been a a believer that you don't lose games for draft position.  Even the meaningless games.  And I do believe young players need to learn how to win.  I think it takes experience to know how to close games.

That said, the problem with this particular logic is that Mac has shown zero value in the QB position.  His efforts have been a 4th round flier in Petty, a mornic "plan" pick for Hack and Fitz/McCown.  Other than an apparent attempt to move up 2 years ago, he hasn't really shown securing a QB is a priority. 

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Just now, JiF said:

I've always been a a believer that you don't lose games for draft position.  Even the meaningless games.  And I do believe young players need to learn how to win.  I think it takes experience to know how to close games.

That said, the problem with this particular logic is that Mac has shown zero value in the QB position.  His efforts have been a 4th round flier in Petty, a mornic "plan" pick for Hack and Fitz/McCown.  Other than an apparent attempt to move up 2 years ago, he hasn't really shown securing a QB is a priority. 

Very true, but it appears that he is scouting QBs this year. He apparently was at the USC game on Friday

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19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Again I ask, Who are we tanking for? Josh Rosen, who is not ranked in the top QBs this year? Sam Darnold who looks like complete sh*t? 

You obviously didn't watch Rosen against Stanford or any of Darnold's brilliant wins.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000852810/article/year-of-qb-reexamining-hype-for-sam-darnold-josh-rosen

Overall, the QB position is still loaded with talented prospects, but it's beginning to look a lot like the class of QBs from 2017, a year in which NFL teams took chances on developmental players with the hopes of finding a gem at the position. -- Bucky Brooks

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14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Even so, it seems like a waste 

If you don't have a franchise QB it isn't.

Kizer can still develop without being the face of the franchise.  If he shows something while Rosen (or whoever) is leading the charge, then the Brown can trade him and double or get equal return on their initial investment.  Absolute worst case scenario (other than both guys busting), is Kizer sticks around, develops, and they have insurance in case Mr. 1st overall fails, ala RG3-Cousins.  There is absolutely 0 downside to this since they don't have someone right now.

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6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Very true, but it appears that he is scouting QBs this year. He apparently was at the USC game on Friday

So he just started scouting QBs after his 3rd draft?

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15 minutes ago, JiF said:

I've always been a a believer that you don't lose games for draft position.  Even the meaningless games.  And I do believe young players need to learn how to win.  I think it takes experience to know how to close games.

That said, the problem with this particular logic is that Mac has shown zero value in the QB position.  His efforts have been a 4th round flier in Petty, a mornic "plan" pick for Hack and Fitz/McCown.  Other than an apparent attempt to move up 2 years ago, he hasn't really shown securing a QB is a priority. 

"Other than attempting to trade up for Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, and Jarad Goff, but failing to do so because the other teams that selected them needed those guys too, Macc has shown zero desire to get a top tier QB prospects because he passed on mediocre prospects in the 1st like Paxton Lynch in 2016 and an entirely weak class in 2017".

I don't even love the guy but this is an absolutely ridiculous thought process.

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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

JiF you're smarter than that. Come on. 

Sorry, you made it seem like all of sudden now he cares because he was seen at USC. 

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35 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I'd put my money on the 49ers and Cleveland being ahead of them.  Probably the Colts too.  

Good.  Niners are favorite to land Cousins and Colts will be looking to add picks to build around Luck.  

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41 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Not as funny as watching people bust their nut to wins against the Dolphins, Jags, & soon to be Browns, with a 38 year old never-was and somehow thinking that those wins mean we're gonna be a 10+ win playoff team.

#RealFanSh*t

How about just general happiness that your team won a game. Real fans are happy when their team wins games in the first quarter of a season.

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18 minutes ago, JiF said:

I've always been a a believer that you don't lose games for draft position.  Even the meaningless games.  And I do believe young players need to learn how to win.  I think it takes experience to know how to close games.

That said, the problem with this particular logic is that Mac has shown zero value in the QB position.  His efforts have been a 4th round flier in Petty, a mornic "plan" pick for Hack and Fitz/McCown.  Other than an apparent attempt to move up 2 years ago, he hasn't really shown securing a QB is a priority. 

GMs miss.  Before Flacco and Brady, Ozzy Newsome and BB had done nothing to make you believe they should be allowed to draft another QB.

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I said this in another place, yesterday the Jets won DESPITE the 38 year old QB. Which means most of the credit goes to the young players. That's a good thing.

If Josh McCown had led them to that victory, then I can understand some uneasiness. But he tried to hand the Jags the game. And the Jets still won

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

Good.  Niners are favorite to land Cousins and Colts will be looking to add picks to build around Luck.  

Since we're using hypotheticals, what if the Niners decide that drafting a cheap rookie prospect and using their 2 bazillion dollars on multiple FAs that can help build the team is better than giving a 30 year old Kirk Cousins a 200 million dollar contract?  Then what?  What if the Colts win multiple games when Luck comes back and they don't pick 1 or 2.  Then all of a sudden it's left to the Browns and Niners.  Using my scenario, that means both of the top guys are gone.

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3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Since we're using hypotheticals, what if the Niners decide that drafting a cheap rookie prospect and using their 2 bazillion dollars on multiple FAs that can help build the team is better than giving a 30 year old Kirk Cousins a 200 million dollar contract?  Then what?  What if the Colts win multiple games when Luck comes back and they don't pick 1 or 2.  Then all of a sudden it's left to the Browns and Niners.  Using my scenario, that means both of the top guys are gone.

You still take the best QB on the board and/or sign Cousins.

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1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

Since we're using hypotheticals, what if the Niners decide that drafting a cheap rookie prospect and using their 2 bazillion dollars on multiple FAs that can help build the team is better than giving a 30 year old Kirk Cousins a 200 million dollar contract?  Then what?  What if the Colts win multiple games when Luck comes back and they don't pick 1 or 2.  Then all of a sudden it's left to the Browns and Niners.  Using my scenario, that means both of the top guys are gone.

I could see Cleveland signing Cousins and then using their other picks to set him up. Niners I think are further down the line than Cleveland

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