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I know drafting a rookie is a gamble but at least it's a cheap gamble.

Are people really confident in these FAs that they're worth the massive contracts they're going to demand? Kirk Cousins is probably going to get something in the neighborhood of 6 years 150+ million with 65 million guaranteed, locking us into him for years and years.

Meanwhile we can develop our own guy who could very well be much better.

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13 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I know drafting a rookie is a gamble but at least it's a cheap gamble.

Are people really confident in these FAs that they're worth the massive contracts they're going to demand? Kirk Cousins is probably going to get something in the neighborhood of 6 years 150+ million with 65 million guaranteed, locking us into him for years and years.

Meanwhile we can develop our own guy who could very well be much better.

It's tricky...I think if your team has everything else, or is just a step or three away, then yes you overpay for a QB and hope you can fill in the cracks in the draft or trade or other FA... 

But when you're lacking on talent, and don't have anything around him, then no I don't think it's worth the massive contract. I think it handcuffs you from building the foundations you need to around him.

But that's just me. I know there's certainly a philosophy that says you get a QB at any cost and then just try and fill in every other blank...

For me though, I want some things already in place before I hand over a ginormous contract to someone. Maybe it's having a solid OL, or some stud WRs or a great pass rush... Just something that can compliment the QB.

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4 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

That part about Garapolo getting franchised and making 7M more than Brady is ridiculous.

They really need to look into the Pats shady dealings with Brady

The Pats will figure some way to finagle having both Brady and Garapolo, unless of course Brady retires. Despite all the bravado the Pats defense awfulness means Brady is passing way more than any 40 year old should. He's taking lots of hits and bumps. Not written in stone he will be back. 

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5 hours ago, Warfish said:

No to most.  Draft a QB at whatever spot we have.  Baker Mayfield at pick #12 + Petty + Hack > Teddy "Will He Walk Again" Bridgewater or a Pats Castoff Unknown or a 83 year old Drew Brees. 

I could get behind this. Witnessed the OSU v Oklahoma game here in Columbus. The guy is a competitor. 

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47 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I know drafting a rookie is a gamble but at least it's a cheap gamble.

Are people really confident in these FAs that they're worth the massive contracts they're going to demand? Kirk Cousins is probably going to get something in the neighborhood of 6 years 150+ million with 65 million guaranteed, locking us into him for years and years.

Meanwhile we can develop our own guy who could very well be much better.

I prefer drafting a QB over signing a free agent.  Especially with the upcoming draft and the depth at QB.  They could even double up on QB in 2018.  Draft one in the 1st and take another one later in the draft if one of the top prospects were to fall (some issue comes up before the draft / injury) or they believe there is mid round QB that they like.  Similar to what the Redskins did when they drafted Kirk Cousins.  The way the Jets draft picks look as of today, they got a 1st round pick, 2 2nd round picks, 1 3rd round pick, 1 4th round pick, 2 5th round picks, 1 6th round pick and 1 7th round pick.  If the Jets season takes a turn and they end up in the bottom 4, they could have 4 picks top 100 and then they could take a flyer on another QB.  The guy that I am watching as a mid round pick (if he comes out) would be Ryan Finley out of NC State.  

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I know drafting a rookie is a gamble but at least it's a cheap gamble.

Are people really confident in these FAs that they're worth the massive contracts they're going to demand? Kirk Cousins is probably going to get something in the neighborhood of 6 years 150+ million with 65 million guaranteed, locking us into him for years and years.

Meanwhile we can develop our own guy who could very well be much better.

Agreed but the good thing is for once the Jets are situated where they can go down
multiple paths to acquire a QB:

- They'll have over 80 million in cap space if they want to go after a free agent

- They'll have a first round pick in a draft where 5-6 QB's will be available

- They could get greedy and choose one from free agency and the draft

It will be interesting to see what they do and can they make the right choice

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1 minute ago, KRL said:

Agreed but the good thing is for once the Jets are situated where they can go down
multiple paths to acquire a QB:

- They'll have over 80 million in cap space if they want to go after a free agent

- They'll have a first round pick in a draft where 5-6 QB's will be available

- They could get greedy and choose one from free agency and the draft

It will be interesting to see what they do and can they make the right choice

Agreed... We can only hope Mac doesn't screw it up (and my lack of faith is one of the reasons option C where they grab a FA and draft a QB too isn't a bad idea.)

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2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Are people really confident in these FAs that they're worth the massive contracts they're going to demand? Kirk Cousins is probably going to get something in the neighborhood of 6 years 150+ million with 65 million guaranteed, locking us into him for years and years.

Meanwhile we can develop our own guy who could very well be much better.

Sign me up. By the time your drafted QB is any good you are paying him a fortune anyway and all that talent you drafted wants contracts too.  See Wilkerson. You can develop your own guy who could very well be much better?  I call bullsh*t.  There probably aren't 10 people on earth better at the job than Kirk Cousins, there certainly aren't 10 who are "much better."  I would consider taking my chances on something that much closer to a sure thing. 

What did we get for all that cap space in 2015?  I'd take Cousins over the lot of them.  OTOH, I think Cousins guarantee will be well north of $80M and I may not want to pay what he will get.  

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Cousins is either a Redskin or a 49er.

The rest of the options are just sh*t.

Can't wait to see which journeyman scrub we rally behind for 2018.  This carousel is ******* awesome...RIGHT?

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5 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Sign me up. By the time your drafted QB is any good you are paying him a fortune anyway and all that talent you drafted wants contracts too.  See Wilkerson. You can develop your own guy who could very well be much better?  I call bullsh*t.  There probably aren't 10 people on earth better at the job than Kirk Cousins, there certainly aren't 10 who are "much better."  I would consider taking my chances on something that much closer to a sure thing. 

What did we get for all that cap space in 2015?  I'd take Cousins over the lot of them.  OTOH, I think Cousins guarantee will be well north of $80M and I may not want to pay what he will get.  

what if the jets broke the bank and gave Cousins something ridiculous like 110M for 4 years w/50M SB?   

what would it hurt?   we have so much cap space there is no realistic way to use it other than overpaying for marginal players.    Cousins would provide stability for 4 years and allow the team to continue to draft 2,3,4 rd prospects with hopes that someone would develop w/o the pressure of being the 'future'.   

if they can't get Rosen in rd 1 then Cousins is the answer.    Just make him the highest paid player in the league and front load a shorter term deal.   This team hasn't had stability at the QB position since Vinny blew out his achilles.   

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17 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Sign me up. By the time your drafted QB is any good you are paying him a fortune anyway and all that talent you drafted wants contracts too.  See Wilkerson. You can develop your own guy who could very well be much better?  I call bullsh*t.  There probably aren't 10 people on earth better at the job than Kirk Cousins, there certainly aren't 10 who are "much better."  I would consider taking my chances on something that much closer to a sure thing. 

What did we get for all that cap space in 2015?  I'd take Cousins over the lot of them.  OTOH, I think Cousins guarantee will be well north of $80M and I may not want to pay what he will get.  

I think the biggest difference here is our opinion on Cousins... I don't think he's a top tier talent at the QB position and I think multiple QBs in the upcoming draft will be better players than he will be.

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On 5 October 2017 at 2:37 PM, Obrien2Toon said:

That part about Garapolo getting franchised and making 7M more than Brady is ridiculous.

They really need to look into the Pats shady dealings with Brady

They won't, and it's totally legit that TB12 sports company sells all their services to the NE Pats.

I think $35,000 for a protein shake is perfectly acceptable.

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A team like Washington could work for Brees or Jacksonville w/ Cousins. Not the Jets. We're not build to inherit a veteran. The roster and the history as of late mandates we take our chances reaching for the stars in the draft.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Paradis said:

A team like Washington could work for Brees or Jacksonville w/ Cousins. Not the Jets. We're not build to inherit a veteran. The roster and the history as of late mandates we take our chances reaching for the stars in the draft.

 

 

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We're not built for one but you just knowwwwww we're gonna sign one.

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With so much talk about the college kids and focusing on the Jets, I had no idea Smith was going to hit FA along with Cousins.

He’s got five or six good years left in him and I’d happily watch him play those years for the Jets.

 

 

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2 hours ago, AFJF said:

With so much talk about the college kids and focusing on the Jets, I had no idea Smith was going to hit FA along with Cousins.

He’s got five or six good years left in him and I’d happily watch him play those years for the Jets.

 

 

Smith I believe would have to be traded for. And I dont want us using a high round pick on that.

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Alex Smith has proven he is not a good QB when the talent level around him isn't elite.  He looks competent now because the Chiefs had the most talented roster in the NFL.  

This is his 12th year in the league and he has only thrown more than 20 TDs once.  His career high is 23.  To put this in perspective, Mark Sanchez threw 26 TDs with a far inferior roster in 2011.

And this is a guy worth over $20M?

Pass.  

If we go after a FA QB, make it Drew Brees and draft a guy that can sit for 2 years and learn from Morton, Bates, and Brees.

 

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47 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Smith I believe would have to be traded for. And I dont want us using a high round pick on that.

Gotcha...I skimmed the article and thiught it was regarding pending free agents.

I’d give up a mid-rounder for him and draft one.

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On 10/5/2017 at 10:09 PM, TuscanyTile2 said:

Alex Smith will be our starting QB in 2018. 

I agree. I see Macc going cap crazy this off-season and using the best player available bullsh*t in the draft. At least maybe he drafts a QB but I think he keeps his special project Hack-off around to learn from a veteran guy.

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28 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Gotcha...I skimmed the article and thiught it was regarding pending free agents.

I’d give up a mid-rounder for him and draft one.

A mid rounder I would def do. But I think a team closer to contending will give up a high pick for him instead. I can see Minnesota going for him if Bradford and Bridgewater's knees don't hold up.

KC won't trade him to Denver, where he would be a good fit.

Maybe Jacksonville as well.

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