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Early projection of 2018 NFL draft order

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14 hours ago, Warfish said:

Picking 15th?  He'll be your huckleberry.

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His fans will go ballistic when I say this but Mayfield reminds of of Sanchez.  Looks like him, same number, similar size, seems to have a similar personality.

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1 hour ago, KRL said:

Two QB's that have really caught my eye are Luke Falk and Baker Mayfield.  Here's why:

- With the offense Morton has shown Falk would fit because he has a fast release, he's
extremely accurate and enough arm strength to keep defenses honest.  Even though he's
in a gimmick offense he's been given enough reponsibility to adjust the play according
to the defense.  And finally his biggest "flaw" is he stays in the pocket too long because
he goes through his progressions looking for receivers (which most gimmick offense OB's
don't do)

- The biggest knock on Mayfield would be his height but with Morton coming from NO (Brees)
he shouldn't have a bias against him. Other than that Mayfield reminds me of Russell Wilson
with his mobility in and out of the pocket, arm strength, accuracy and "it" factor.  He
seems to have the ability to lift his team which was particularly on display when they
went into Ohio St. and beat them.  His performance also covers up for a defense that isn't
very good     

I like Mayfield... haven't see much of Falk, but hoping to watch more of him now that he seems to be in the mix. Mayfield gets compared to Manziel, but I think he's going to make a much better pro then Manziel. I know he made a stupid judgement with planting the flag, but he doesn't seem to have the same real immature stunts that Manziel pulls. I think he's got a much better head on his shoulders. He can learn from the planting backlash. I think he's got it when I watch him play, just as you've mentioned. I wouldn't be disappointed with drafting him as long as Morton is still here and he becomes anywhere as good as Brees...

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2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I've forgotten Josh Allen. He's super talented, physically is all I really know about him.

There you go.

He's a waste of a draft pick.  Small school Hackenberg.  Unfortunately I can't find any tape of his performance against Oregon which was so bad, that he decided to delete Twitter off of his phone because he couldn't handle the criticism he was getting.

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4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

There you go.

He's a waste of a draft pick.  Small school Hackenberg.  Unfortunately I can't find any tape of his performance against Oregon which was so bad, that he decided to delete Twitter off of his phone because he couldn't handle the criticism he was getting.

Definitely been "stained" by coming up small against Iowa & Oregon

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13 minutes ago, 68JET11 said:

I like Mayfield... haven't see much of Falk, but hoping to watch more of him now that he seems to be in the mix. Mayfield gets compared to Manziel, but I think he's going to make a much better pro then Manziel. I know he made a stupid judgement with planting the flag, but he doesn't seem to have the same real immature stunts that Manziel pulls. I think he's got a much better head on his shoulders. He can learn from the planting backlash. I think he's got it when I watch him play, just as you've mentioned. I wouldn't be disappointed with drafting him as long as Morton is still here and he becomes anywhere as good as Brees...

Google the USC / Wash St game and you'll see Falk outplay Darnold

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I think there's a small vocal disillusioned minority here who want the team to actually 'tank'. That's not going to happen.

The rest of us are divided. On one hand, you have the fans who want to see the Jets win at all costs. The draft situation will sort itself out later. 'You can find a QB' anywhere' crowd.

The other fans, myself included, want to see the team make strides - specifically the young players. But we think winning games with a stop gap one year QB is setting the franchise back long term. Yes, we might be in position to draft a QB in the middle of the first round. Yes - we could trade up to grab our guy (most likely giving up most of this year's draft (and our 1st round pick next year). But we'd rather not have to do either of those things. A 4-12 season where our young guys are coming on (and one of our young QBs looks competent when eventually given the opportunity) is a huge win in my eyes. A 7-9 season where we mortgage our future to move up in the draft or end up giving some QB $25M in free agency- not so much.

I've rooted for wins all my life, no matter what the cost, and it where has it gotten the franchise? I'd rather see this team on the clock next April with the QB they want still on the board over winning ugly October games vs Cleveland.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

I think there's a small vocal disillusioned minority here who want the team to actually 'tank'. That's not going to happen.

The rest of us are divided. On one hand, you have the fans who want to see the Jets win at all costs. The draft situation will sort itself out later. 'You can find a QB' anywhere' crowd.

The other fans, myself included, want to see the team make strides - specifically the young players. But we think winning games with a stop gap one year QB is setting the franchise back long term. Yes, we might be in position to draft a QB in the middle of the first round. Yes - we could trade up to grab our guy (most likely giving up most of this year's draft (and our 1st round pick next year). But we'd rather not have to do either of those things. A 4-12 season where our young guys are coming on (and one of our young QBs looks competent when eventually given the opportunity) is a huge win in my eyes. A 7-9 season where we mortgage our future to move up in the draft or end up giving some QB $25M in free agency- not so much.

I've rooted for wins all my life, no matter what the cost, and it where has it gotten the franchise? I'd rather see this team on the clock next April with the QB they want still on the board over winning ugly October games vs Cleveland.

 

 

if there was some magic draft pick where if you suck and draft a QB(or nay player) they were guaranteed to be great then I think people may embrace tanking but it's ludicrous to root for a team to tank when the #1 overall pick can suck and a 6th rounder can become the greatest of all time.  good teams w/ good talent evaluators will find players whether they draft #1 or #32, bad teams will find a way to screw it up drafting at the top.  the only think I care about is do we have the right people running our team?  I think that answer is still TBD but if the answer is no then a #1 pick will not change us. 

all teams win some ugly games, it was ugly at Cleveland in the 1st half.  Cle should have been up on us by more than 2 scores but they allowed us to stay in it and in the 2nd half started to roll.  we also beat what looks like a pretty good Jags team that has been crushing some other teams we thought were good.  who knows where this season takes us? we may end up 3-13? we could be 9-7? we don't know but we only get 16 reg season games a year and I am rooting for a win in every one of them.  I will worry about the draft in April when I'm flipping around the TC waiting for our pick to come up.

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41 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

His fans will go ballistic when I say this but Mayfield reminds of of Sanchez.  Looks like him, same number, similar size, seems to have a similar personality.

I won't go ballistic but his make-up and game experience are quite different. The guy walked on at 2 different schools and won the starting job. Couple that with his experience in simply having played more games and the Sanchez comparison falls a little short. Also factor in the fact that he had the guts to leave one program and go to another without the any promises speaks loads about his character. The guy has guts and that gunslinger mentality that you want in a starting QB. I know there are questions about his height etc but I think with the right QB coach and circumstance Mayfield can excel in the NFL. Will it be with the Jets? I wouldn't be upset if they drafted him but don't think they will unless he lasts until the 2nd round.

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15 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

Jets, in a manner only they can do, are giving new meaning to the term Pick 6: Williams, Adams, . . . . Rosen?

We've had "The Best player in the Draft" fall to us TWICE @ 6, so WHICH QB drops to 6?

" ..so WHICH QB drops to 6? "... NOT the one we need   :(

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Script says Huckleberry and that term is accurate for that usage.

Take it up with AFGF who stated Kilmer says huckle bearer (coffin carrier). I myself like huckleberry!

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I don't see it with Falk. He's smart and accurate but he's a statue without a strong arm which is kind of a tough combo. I think he could be effective in the NFL for the right team but I don't think he's a top tier guy.

Josh Allen has Mac written all over him. Guy wasn't good enough in HS to get any legit D1 offers until the 11th hour, goes to Wyomning, gets hyped up because of his physical tools, promptly stinks against the only two legit teams he's played (Iowa, Oregon.) Defenders will point out that basically all of his weapons and best offensive lineman from last year are gone but I just don't see any evidence that's he's actually good at playing quarterback... After the Hack debacle I don't see how we can roll the dice on another massive project.

If we're picking 6th and Darnold and Rosen are gone I think you cross your fingers and take Mayfield in the 2nd.

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15 hours ago, MDL_JET said:

If that's how it worked out, I actually don't think the Jets would be in such bad position. Aside from the Browns, they could trade up with just about anybody in front of them if they really wanted to move. From the Niners to the Giants, I think they'd all be interested in getting more picks to build their roster. 

 

not so sure about the niners or the giaints.  the niners didn't go qb last draft and it's looking more and more that mcadoodoo is going to ease ELIte out.  The giaints will be lucky to win 5.

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4 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

So did Nagle, Clemens, Geno, Hack

You find the gems where you find them.  I could run all the busts in the  top five at QB if you like.....

What will REALLY matter is the guy picking the QB picking the right one.

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