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They were never, ever going to win just 1 or 2 games. People underestimate the monumental difficulty of losing that many games. I said 6-10 from the start and that's where I'm getting they end up. So you may as well enjoy a few wins because the pipe dream of #1 or 2 overall was never happening.

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Phillip Rivers is a Franchise QB and near HOFer . Matthew Stafford is a franchise QB . Both were drafted in the 1st round  and neither have a SB ring .   Kurt Warner was an Undrafted free agent  and he's in the HOF . Tom Brady was a 6 round pick and is a HOFer  . Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick and has a SB ring . Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick and has a SB ring . Here's an interesting one for a thinking man . Peyton Manning was the 1st overall pick , has 2 SB rings and is a sure fire HOFer .  Exactly what did he do to earn both of those rings other than being on a team whose defense rose up and help him become a champion .
Teams win championships .  It helps a great deal if you don't have to hide your QB along the way, but your QB don't have to be a 1st round pick, just capable .
Peyton Manning's teams won 12 plus games for a decade.we have won 12 games a single time in 60 years.

Yes teams win championships, but having the QB position solidified helps that greatly. You need a QB in this league, drafting at the top of the draft doesn't garuntee it but it sure helps.

I'm tired of not having consistency at QB.

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2 hours ago, The Walrus said:

Well said.

This attitude of just needing to get a franchise QB then sit on our ass for 15 years while the Lombardi's roll in is ignorance and folly.

Andrew Luck, "the most NFL ready quarterback" as it was touted at the time of drafting, has no ring and frankly not seeing one in his near future either without a better cast around him.

You need a total organisation. Front office, scouting, good coaching plus the players of which sure, the QB is the biggest factor, IMO.

Seattle are a good example. They finally got a franchise QB, but, they got a good long term coach with surrounding coaches on the same page, they set up a supporting cast in defense which means the QB doesn't have to carry the team week in and out. Their front office seems good.

 

 

So what you're saying is that it's an awfully hard tusk to find a quarterback, Mr. Walrus.

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42 minutes ago, sciond said:

how long have you been a fan...

Plenty is absolutely not accurate

50 years. Like I said they have had some really good teams. '81 and '82(AFC Title game), '85 and '86, 12-4 in '98(AFC Title game), 10-6 in '01, 10-6 in '04,  10-6 in '06, plus back to back AFC title games in '09 and '10. My point being many here make it seem like its all 3-13 seasons of pain. There have been some good ones too. 

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3 hours ago, Pennington said:

I am a long time lurker who just joined to get my thoughts out there.

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games. We haven't had a legitimate franchise QB since Namath and this was our best chance to get one with Darnold or Rosen since Parcells stupidly told Peyton Manning he wouldn't draft him.

Are you guys fine with being mediocre or worse or do you just not understand that the easiest way to win a Super Bowl is by drafting a franchise QB. Both Darnold and Rosen have a chance to be top of the league QBs but we have screwed ourselves out of a chance to draft either of them because we won meaningless games with a 38 yr old journeyman QB in McCown.

There is nothing to be excited about and every Jets fan should be livid with the garbage wins. Gastineau Lives and others who agree with him are the smart ones while the guys who rip into him are being incredibly short sighted.

Now go ahead and rip into me for not being a "true fan" for wanting bigger and better things for this franchise over garbage wins in a lost season.

 

 

 

 

You are not a true fan.

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Just now, RevisIsland610 said:

50 years. Like I said they have had some really good teams. '81 and '82(AFC Title game), '85 and '86, 12-4 in '98(AFC Title game), 10-6 in '01, 10-6 in '04,  10-6 in '06, plus back to back AFC title games in '09 and '10. My point being many here make it seem like its all 3-13 seasons of pain. There have been some good ones too. 

50 here as well

5 or 6 good seasons out of 50 is not plenty

only 3 at most 4 of those years did I think we had a chance for the Superbowl.

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3 hours ago, Pennington said:

I am a long time lurker who just joined to get my thoughts out there.

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games. We haven't had a legitimate franchise QB since Namath and this was our best chance to get one with Darnold or Rosen since Parcells stupidly told Peyton Manning he wouldn't draft him.

Are you guys fine with being mediocre or worse or do you just not understand that the easiest way to win a Super Bowl is by drafting a franchise QB. Both Darnold and Rosen have a chance to be top of the league QBs but we have screwed ourselves out of a chance to draft either of them because we won meaningless games with a 38 yr old journeyman QB in McCown.

There is nothing to be excited about and every Jets fan should be livid with the garbage wins. Gastineau Lives and others who agree with him are the smart ones while the guys who rip into him are being incredibly short sighted.

Now go ahead and rip into me for not being a "true fan" for wanting bigger and better things for this franchise over garbage wins in a lost season.

 

 

 

 

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games.

This is the crux of the issue. Why do you care how others root for the Jets. Anyone's rooting preference has no outcome on anything. You root for losses and another fan roots for victory. What does it matter. You have issue with what fans root for? If so why?

Shouldn't your issue be with the team? For not doing enough to lose. Be angry at the Jet team. You should no issues with other fans 

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8 minutes ago, sciond said:

50 here as well

5 or 6 good seasons out of 50 is not plenty

only 3 at most 4 of those years did I think we had a chance for the Superbowl.

I just listed 11 seasons in which they made the playoffs and had some very good teams including 4 AFC title games. Any time you make the playoffs in the NFL I consider it a good season. I also forgot '91 when they made playoffs as well so thats 12 playoff appearances since '81. Not great but not the worst either. 

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3 hours ago, Pennington said:

I am a long time lurker who just joined to get my thoughts out there.

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games. We haven't had a legitimate franchise QB since Namath and this was our best chance to get one with Darnold or Rosen since Parcells stupidly told Peyton Manning he wouldn't draft him.

Are you guys fine with being mediocre or worse or do you just not understand that the easiest way to win a Super Bowl is by drafting a franchise QB. Both Darnold and Rosen have a chance to be top of the league QBs but we have screwed ourselves out of a chance to draft either of them because we won meaningless games with a 38 yr old journeyman QB in McCown.

There is nothing to be excited about and every Jets fan should be livid with the garbage wins. Gastineau Lives and others who agree with him are the smart ones while the guys who rip into him are being incredibly short sighted.

Now go ahead and rip into me for not being a "true fan" for wanting bigger and better things for this franchise over garbage wins in a lost season.

 

 

 

 

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Now that we have that out of the way. Kony Ealy, Leonard Williams, Morris Claiborne, Todd Bowles improving as a new head coach, a young offensive line that is performing better than people expected, McGuire, Kearse, Jenkins, Adams & Maye, this new offensive coordinator...

These are a few things off the top of my head to be excited about.

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4 minutes ago, RESNewYork said:

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games.

This is the crux of the issue. Why do you care how others root for the Jets. Anyone's rooting preference has no outcome on anything. You root for losses and another fan roots for victory. What does it matter. You have issue with what fans root for? If so why?

Shouldn't your issue be with the team? For not doing enough to lose. Be angry at the Jet team. You should no issues with other fans 

Good point.

What people root for doesn't matter at all. It doesn't change the results on the field.

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1 hour ago, The Crimson King said:

TRUTH: With age comes wisdom and experience

TRUTH: If the "gramps" are jumping on you, you are probably either inexperienced in the matter or just plain wrong. Listen to old guys, you can get quite an education

True when it comes to life , absolutely . But when it comes to football what I said made complete sense , why not try to get the franchise guy in this draft , the timing would've been perfect. A lot of guys seen a lot of bullsh*t with the jets , I'm just hoping I don't become one of the many unlucky , but maybe that comes with being a fan of this team.

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9 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said:

I just listed 11 seasons in which they made the playoffs and had some very good teams including 4 AFC title games. Any time you make the playoffs in the NFL I consider it a good season. I also forgot '91 when they made playoffs as well so thats 12 playoff appearances since '81. Not great but not the worst either. 

Sorry but I disagree making the playoffs doesn't mean we had a really good team. Many times they had a mediocre team and an easy schedule like 2 years ago

Honestly the only team I thought could really win it all was  before the A.J. Duhe game.

 

 

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To reiterate the fact that is not only the QB, you also.have to have everything else around, let me remind everyone about Alex Smith who is now having his best season, yet he was picked first overall by a different team.

You could say something similar about Carr in Texas or Luck in Indianapolis.

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I too find myself baffled that in massive group of people that certain people have different opinions about things than other people and that everyone doesn’t unanimously agree on everything. 

 

 

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Just now, sciond said:

Sorry but I disagree making the playoffs doesn't mean we had a really good team. Many times they had a mediocre team and an easy schedule like 2 years ago

Honestly the only team I thought could really win it all was  before the A.J. Duhe game.

 

 

We have a different definition of good then. Just because they weren't true super bowl contenders in your opinion doesn't mean they still didn't have a good team. I agree with you about the team 2 years ago but that team did not make playoffs anyway. 

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Jesus H Christ. This team has beaten 3 suspect teams by a total of 20 points. If Kizer doesn't blow it in the Red Zone they lose to the lowly Browns. With the schedule they have remaining they may win 1 possibly 2 more games. If they win more than that it would surprise the sh*t out of me. Still I will root for them no matter what. Win Lose or Tie. I have been watching this team too long NOT to do that. I don't believe your not "a real fan" if you root against them to secure that elusive draft pick. I think your just naive. Experience has taught me that there is such thing as a sure thing and drafting a QB no matter how talented is always a crap shoot. Especially an Underclassmen. You can easily find that franchise guy in the 1st round or the last. I must admit it is fun to needle the Wu Tank Clan boys as they are so easy to do so. Just keep in mind that We all want the same thing in the end and lets just try to respect each other as we watch the season unfold. No matter what is said the season will play out the way it play out no matter how much we ALL bitch and moan about it. So feel free to go nuts on game day and rail all you want about meaningless wins but in the end remember this: WE ARE ALL JET FANS. There is no harder thing to be in sports......unless your a Ranger Fan. Then God have mercy on your soul.

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4 hours ago, Tinstar said:

Phillip Rivers is a Franchise QB and near HOFer . Matthew Stafford is a franchise QB . Both were drafted in the 1st round  and neither have a SB ring .   Kurt Warner was an Undrafted free agent  and he's in the HOF . Tom Brady was a 6 round pick and is a HOFer  . Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick and has a SB ring . Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick and has a SB ring . Here's an interesting one for a thinking man . Peyton Manning was the 1st overall pick , has 2 SB rings and is a sure fire HOFer .  Exactly what did he do to earn both of those rings other than being on a team whose defense rose up and help him become a champion .

Teams win championships .  It helps a great deal if you don't have to hide your QB along the way, but your QB don't have to be a 1st round pick, just capable .

Joe Namath was THE 1st pick in the 1965 AFL Draft and won a Super Bowl for a team that was a laughingstock, a punching bag that had a nondescript identity.  I'll take my chances with THE #1 pick.

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5 hours ago, Pennington said:

I am a long time lurker who just joined to get my thoughts out there.

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games. We haven't had a legitimate franchise QB since Namath and this was our best chance to get one with Darnold or Rosen since Parcells stupidly told Peyton Manning he wouldn't draft him.

Are you guys fine with being mediocre or worse or do you just not understand that the easiest way to win a Super Bowl is by drafting a franchise QB. Both Darnold and Rosen have a chance to be top of the league QBs but we have screwed ourselves out of a chance to draft either of them because we won meaningless games with a 38 yr old journeyman QB in McCown.

There is nothing to be excited about and every Jets fan should be livid with the garbage wins. Gastineau Lives and others who agree with him are the smart ones while the guys who rip into him are being incredibly short sighted.

Now go ahead and rip into me for not being a "true fan" for wanting bigger and better things for this franchise over garbage wins in a lost season.

 

 

 

 

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What do you expect the jets to do?  I mean they get rid  of everybody and didn't sign anybody.  They clearly were lookin to rebuild and be bad this year.  They're probably more surprised than anybody that this team has won 3 games already.  Unless you ask the jets to literally lay down during kickoff there is not much that can be done.  I mean nobody expected Miami to play so crappy and the Jaguars gave the game away as well.   Also getting a top pick doesn't necessarily mean you are getting a franchise QB.  The Manning brothers are the only top picks that won anything.  Luck obviously is a great talent but he never led the colts far and he is hurt all the time.  I mean look at the browns they've always had top picks and they're still a dumpster fire.

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14 hours ago, Pennington said:

I am a long time lurker who just joined to get my thoughts out there.

Sorry but I just do not understand how any Jets fan can be happy with winning these meaningless games. We haven't had a legitimate franchise QB since Namath and this was our best chance to get one with Darnold or Rosen since Parcells stupidly told Peyton Manning he wouldn't draft him.

Are you guys fine with being mediocre or worse or do you just not understand that the easiest way to win a Super Bowl is by drafting a franchise QB. Both Darnold and Rosen have a chance to be top of the league QBs but we have screwed ourselves out of a chance to draft either of them because we won meaningless games with a 38 yr old journeyman QB in McCown.

There is nothing to be excited about and every Jets fan should be livid with the garbage wins. Gastineau Lives and others who agree with him are the smart ones while the guys who rip into him are being incredibly short sighted.

Now go ahead and rip into me for not being a "true fan" for wanting bigger and better things for this franchise over garbage wins in a lost season.

 

 

 

 

I haven't read the rest of the replies, but I'll chip in my two views on this:

  • there is no demonstrable difference between picking 1st and picking anywhere else in terms of finding the answer at QB
  • picking first usually means you start off further from success than any other team - plugging a QB into a talent-less roster is more likely to kill your QB than turn you into a competitive franchise

So the fact that we're winning some games, mostly with young guys, gives me more hope that if we pick a QB at 6-10 or so in the draft, we have a better chance to turn this thing around. So far this season I've seen better play than I expected from the WR / TE / RB positions, the OL as a unit, our D is stepping up and our ST are looking vastly improved. Al despite the supposed downgrade of talent across the board.

The more talent we have, the easier it'll be for a new QB to be the catalyst that takes us to that next level. I'd much rather have that scenario than great QB prospect + 52 questions marks.

 

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12 hours ago, Maxman said:

Some of us will never root for the Jets to lose. We are fans, rooting against the Jets is not something I (and most of us) will ever do.

There is no guarantee that losing games gets the QB that everyone claims is out there. So let's go Jets.

Beat the Pats.

You: Rooting against the Jets is not something I will ever do.

Also You: If it was the end of the season and we needed to lose to get a quarterback, then yeah.

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1 hour ago, jamesr said:

I haven't read the rest of the replies, but I'll chip in my two views on this:

  • there is no demonstrable difference between picking 1st and picking anywhere else in terms of finding the answer at QB
  • picking first usually means you start off further from success than any other team - plugging a QB into a talent-less roster is more likely to kill your QB than turn you into a competitive franchise

So the fact that we're winning some games, mostly with young guys, gives me more hope that if we pick a QB at 6-10 or so in the draft, we have a better chance to turn this thing around. So far this season I've seen better play than I expected from the WR / TE / RB positions, the OL as a unit, our D is stepping up and our ST are looking vastly improved. Al despite the supposed downgrade of talent across the board.

The more talent we have, the easier it'll be for a new QB to be the catalyst that takes us to that next level. I'd much rather have that scenario than great QB prospect + 52 questions marks.

 

Even the Browns have some pretty good players. On their OL (I saw preseason rankings having them at #2 in football), Myles Garrett, Duke Johnson, on their DL, their run defense is actually pretty good (their secondary sucks) and they are the worst of the bad. So no, not 52 question marks. It's not that simple.

You're also comparing the first five picks in the draft vs the entire rest of the draft. That's not really a good comparison. You have one or two guys at most that you are considered in that spot - the ONLY choices, really. In the rest of the draft there are 200 other picks to be made. To get the right one from one of THOSE is not favored by the odds.

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