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That's a lot of bad picks. Hopefully we will get our guy from somewhere. We just need to know what we already have. I am starting to think that if Petty and Hack can't beat out McCown, then they don't have it. It's hard to know because of Bowles.

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3 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Whatever we have right now, we have to approach this draft on the assumption that we have nothing. Even if Petty plays 8 games and looks really good, draft that QB anyway in Round 1, give Petty a run while the draft pick learns, and take it from there. If we end up with one QB out of that, job done. End up with two - excellent!!

Agreed.  Realistically nothing they could do this season to erase the need to take a QB in rd 1.

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15 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Remember when we passed on Deshaun Watson for a safety

and Mahomes 

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The title is a bit confusing.  3 years in and Mac has actually treated the QB position like the least important position on the team.  Took a flier in the 4th his first year with Geno Smith on the roster, drafted a red/yellow and possibly blue shirt prospect in the 2nd who can't even dress and committed to 2 of the worst veteran journeyman QB's in recent NFL history.  In the meantime, he's passed on opportunities to draft Mahomes, Watson, Prescott, Lynch, etc.  He didnt have a QB on the roster this year and didn't draft one at all. I'd actually say that Mac has done everything but prioritize the most important position in all of sports.  If finding a QB was a priority, you wouldn't spin your wheels with the likes of McCown and Fitz and you'd play the guys you drafted and actually move toward solving the problem.  If he's on a mission, he's certainly doesn't seem to be trying to accomplish said mission. 

The trade up scenario: sounds beautiful, sounds easy but didn't Mac fail to move up for Wentz and Mariota?  Why?  Price to high?  What changes this year?  And is anyone of these prospects as good as those 2?  I highly doubt it.  

Double down: I'm fine with it.  I'm part of the draft one every year until you find one crowd.  Although, I don't think it's necessary.  Sure it worked for the Redskins but what does that say about them giving up a kings ransom for a player they felt they needed to hedge the bets on?  This team is deprived of talent, I'd prefer not being redundant if it's not necessary. You can play 2 safeties, you can't play 2 QB's.

Get a Vet: that got a good chuckle from me because you know for a fact that's happening and he's probably going to be the starter.  coughMcCowncough

Carry 4: no opinion either way, it seems pointless to do this again but whatever.  I certainly don't think this is must have criteria to finding a QB but no opinion either way.

Pick up the phone: are you saying don't be afraid to take a QB high and go ahead and do it?  Don't be scared?

Good read!  

 

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Maybe we will be in a position where there isnt a qb to be picked with franchise potential.  Maybe Mac will consider that the available freagent QBs arent worth breaking the bank for.  Given these possibilities I feel better enjoying some unexpected wins and rooting for the guys we have.  I would love a stud QB but it really is better not stressing about it.  Eventually we will get one.

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12 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This is the nut of it. Maccagnan's handling of the QB position has been nothing short of criminal. In three years, he's brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, and Josh McCown. That's it. The idea that he's suddenly on a "mission" is a sick joke. The mission starts day one, not year four, and the fact that accomplishing it now consists of either trading our next four drafts to get to #2 overall or giving $150 million to Kirk Cousins is the direct result of three years spent dicking around with has-beens, never-wases, and young guys who never had a chance. That the same people who think Idzik did 9/11 because he took Calvin Pryor over Derek Carr now want to give coffee boy an extension for taking Jamal Adams over Deshaun Watson is just the cherry on the sh*t sundae.

Bingo bongo but I’m super psyched to see what he does next year. 

 

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I'm not trading three #1 picks to move up to get Darnold or Rosen.  Sorry, no.

Not in a draft this deep at QB, and so much uncertainty around the (current) top two prospects (especially Sam "Interceptions" Darnold, of perennial underwhelming pro QB factory USC).

Stay pat, draft the Best available QB at our slot (or perhaps a slot or two higher if the cost is right).  Then yes, draft another QB later if one presents himself availble.

The invest those saved draft picks in assets to put around our new QB.  O-linemen (we still need at least 2).  WR's (Kearse may be a short-term solution, Kerley isn't, a legit #1 WR is a real need).  And another running back to replace Forte (ugh) and Powell (getting long in the tooth).

Trading a bagful of #1's and #2 picks for one guy, has that ever worked?  I can't recall an example off the top of my head.  

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Oh he knows, Infact I'd put my house QB is number 1 on the Jets shopping list.

Wether it's Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith or the draft. I'm not looking at Rosen or Darnold that ships sailed. It's Baker Mayfield for me, trade up whatever just draft him.

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

The title is a bit confusing.  3 years in and Mac has actually treated the QB position like the least important position on the team.  Took a flier in the 4th his first year with Geno Smith on the roster, drafted a red/yellow and possibly blue shirt prospect in the 2nd who can't even dress and committed to 2 of the worst veteran journeyman QB's in recent NFL history.  In the meantime, he's passed on opportunities to draft Mahomes, Watson, Prescott, Lynch, etc.  He didnt have a QB on the roster this year and didn't draft one at all. I'd actually say that Mac has done everything but prioritize the most important position in all of sports.  If finding a QB was a priority, you wouldn't spin your wheels with the likes of McCown and Fitz and you'd play the guys you drafted and actually move toward solving the problem.  If he's on a mission, he's certainly doesn't seem to be trying to accomplish said mission. 

The trade up scenario: sounds beautiful, sounds easy but didn't Mac fail to move up for Wentz and Mariota?  Why?  Price to high?  What changes this year?  And is anyone of these prospects as good as those 2?  I highly doubt it.  

Double down: I'm fine with it.  I'm part of the draft one every year until you find one crowd.  Although, I don't think it's necessary.  Sure it worked for the Redskins but what does that say about them giving up a kings ransom for a player they felt they needed to hedge the bets on?  This team is deprived of talent, I'd prefer not being redundant if it's not necessary. You can play 2 safeties, you can't play 2 QB's.

Get a Vet: that got a good chuckle from me because you know for a fact that's happening and he's probably going to be the starter.  coughMcCowncough

Carry 4: no opinion either way, it seems pointless to do this again but whatever.  I certainly don't think this is must have criteria to finding a QB but no opinion either way.

Pick up the phone: are you saying don't be afraid to take a QB high and go ahead and do it?  Don't be scared?

Good read!  

 

I believe Year one was about evaluating Geno.  Geno Geno’d so they had to go with Fitz.

Year two was trying to capitalize on a very good year one while letting the two guys he drafted sit and learn.

Year three those guys were given a shot to win the starting job.  Petty won it, but bowles didn’t care.

Hack had a shot to show something and all he showed is that he’s 10-12 years away from being a serviceable third stringer.

He put together a roster that should have them in position to get a top pick or realistically trade up to the top 3 or 5.

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32 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This is the nut of it. Maccagnan's handling of the QB position has been nothing short of criminal. In three years, he's brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, and Josh McCown. That's it. The idea that he's suddenly on a "mission" is a sick joke. The mission starts day one, not year four, and the fact that accomplishing it now consists of either trading our next four drafts to get to #2 overall or giving $150 million to Kirk Cousins is the direct result of three years spent dicking around with has-beens, never-wases, and young guys who never had a chance. That the same people who think Idzik did 9/11 because he took Calvin Pryor over Derek Carr now want to give coffee boy an extension for taking Jamal Adams over Deshaun Watson is just the cherry on the sh*t sundae.

I don't know if it's fair to say he hasn't made an effort at QB -- he made his move in drafting Hackenberg. It was just an awful, terrible, disastrous move that basically resulted in us flushing a 2nd round pick down the toilet and wasting a roster spot for two years.

McCown was a placeholder because he liked the 2018 crop of QBs better than the 2017 crop.

The real question, to me, why this guy should be making the decision on our next QB? Because it's not like the Hackenberg flop came out of nowhere. Tons of people had him as undraftable... And we were forced to see what Maccagnan knew that nobody else did. The answer, of course, was nothing.

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19 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Oh he knows, Infact I'd put my house QB is number 1 on the Jets shopping list.

Wether it's Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith or the draft. I'm not looking at Rosen or Darnold that ships sailed. It's Baker Mayfield for me, trade up whatever just draft him.

It absolutely is.  All this talk about how he’s gonna’ go defense is wishful thinking on the part of the Idzik guys who want so badly for Mac to be worse than their guy.

It’s 100% gonna be a QB.

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10 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I don't know if it's fair to say he hasn't made an effort at QB -- he made his move in drafting Hackenberg. It was just an awful, terrible, disastrous move that basically resulted in us flushing a 2nd round pick down the toilet and wasting a roster spot for two years.

McCown was a placeholder because he liked the 2018 crop of QBs better than the 2017 crop.

The real question, to me, why this guy should be making the decision on our next QB? Because it's not like the Hackenberg flop came out of nowhere. Tons of people had him as undraftable... And we were forced to see what Maccagnan knew that nobody else did. The answer, of course, was nothing.

Agreed in that Hackenberg is actually worse than not making an effort, because not making an effort would have involved spending that 2nd rounder on a guy who might actually start an NFL game at some point. Passing on Watson in April 2017 because we're busy projecting the 2018 QB class is so monumentally stupid that I have no doubt it's precisely how Maccagnan approached it. Three years of work has led us to this: Darnold staying in school, Rosen emerging as the only guy at the top, and we've got no shot at a top-3 pick and no shot of getting there short of butt****ing our next four drafts. Or we could hand a nine-figure contract to a guy who'll be 30 when next season starts, who no one thinks is all that great, and who is almost certainly signing with San Francisco anyway. It's malpractice. But hey, how about those safeties?

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3 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Agreed in that Hackenberg is actually worse than not making an effort, because not making an effort would have involved spending that 2nd rounder on a guy who might actually start an NFL game at some point. Passing on Watson in April 2017 because we're busy projecting the 2018 QB class is so monumentally stupid that I have no doubt it's precisely how Maccagnan approached it. Three years of work has led us to this: Darnold staying in school, Rosen emerging as the only guy at the top, and we've got no shot at a top-3 pick and no shot of getting there short of butt****ing our next four drafts. Or we could hand a nine-figure contract to a guy who'll be 30 when next season starts, who no one thinks is all that great, and who is almost certainly signing with San Francisco anyway. It's malpractice. But hey, how about those safeties?

idziot's fault

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51 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This is the nut of it. Maccagnan's handling of the QB position has been nothing short of criminal. In three years, he's brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, and Josh McCown. That's it. The idea that he's suddenly on a "mission" is a sick joke. The mission starts day one, not year four, and the fact that accomplishing it now consists of either trading our next four drafts to get to #2 overall or giving $150 million to Kirk Cousins is the direct result of three years spent dicking around with has-beens, never-wases, and young guys who never had a chance. That the same people who think Idzik did 9/11 because he took Calvin Pryor over Derek Carr now want to give coffee boy an extension for taking Jamal Adams over Deshaun Watson is just the cherry on the sh*t sundae.

No offense, but can you maybe be more of a real fan? It offends me that you are not. Thanks, I'll wait. 

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16 minutes ago, AFJF said:

It absolutely is.  All this talk about how he’s gonna’ go defense is wishful thinking on the part of the Idzik guys who want so badly for Mac to be worse than their guy.

It’s 100% gonna be a QB.

I'm not convinced. I could easily see the scenario where he doesn't feel it's worth it to trade up, and then doesn't think the best QB there when the Jets pick is worth it, either. I hope that's not the case, but it's extremely easy to envision. 

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My favorite part is "put aside ego and pick up the phone" followed by a laundry list of great execs who have missed on a qb as some sort of excuse for what Mac has down since he's been here. 

I too want to know the secret to being blissfully ignorant when someone is running me over with a car. 

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7 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

These Idzik guys who want so badly for Mac to be worse than their guy, can't stand 'em. They're like carnies. Circus folk, nomads you know, smelling like cabbage with their small hands.

There are "Idzik guys"?!?

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Something to keep in perspective when everyone is panicking that because the Jets have won 3 games and that we are going to miss out on someone who is projected to be the best of a QB class that will rival the famed class of 1983............The Dolphins went to the Super Bowl the year before, picked 27th in that draft, and got the best QB of them all. Relax, you never know what will happen.

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28 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm not convinced. I could easily see the scenario where he doesn't feel it's worth it to trade up, and then doesn't think the best QB there when the Jets pick is worth it, either. I hope that's not the case, but it's extremely easy to envision. 

We’ll see, but if they don’t get a Cousins/Smith type, I’ll be all for his firing if they don’t get a legit prospect or two in the draft.

 

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