OK here New England's depth chart-anyone scared?

[SoFlaJets]

LWR 83 Branch Deion 02/2 80 BROWN Troy 93/8 13 Childress Bam CF05 19 Smith Zuriel SF06 9 Musinski Rich SF05~

WR2 18 Shelton Matt CF06

RWR 87 Caldwell Reche U/SD 17 Jackson Chad 06/2* 15 McGrew Michael CF05 14 Stone John SF06 19 Davis Erik CF06

LT 72 Light Matt 01/2 77 Kaczur Nick 05/3 75 Steitz Nick SF06~ 60 Hand Randy CF06

LG 70 Mankins Logan 05/1 64 Mruczkowski Gene CF03 63 Stevenson Dan 06/6* 69 Tucker Ross SF05

C 67 Koppen Dan 03/5 71 Hochstein Russ SF01 62 Barthelmes Brian CF06

RG 61 Neal Steve CF01 74 Yates Billy SF04

RT 76 Gorin Brandon SF02 65 Britt Wesley SF05 68 O'Callaghan Ryan 06/5* 62 Roehl Jeff SF05~ 58 Doty Jon SF06~

TE 82 Graham Daniel 02/1 84 Watson Ben 04/1 86 Thomas Dave 06/3*

QB 12 Brady Tom 00/6 16 Cassel Matt 05/7 10 Bramlet Corey CF06 6 Mortensen Todd SF06~

FB 35 Pass Patrick 00/7 44 Evans Heath SF05 45 Mills Garrett 06/4*

RB 28 DILLON Corey T/Cin 33 FAULK Kevin 99/2 39 Maroney Laurence 06/1* 41 Cobbs Patrick CF06 00 Charles Earl CF05~

Defense

LDE 94 Warren Ty 03/1 91 Hill Marquise 04/2 90 Klecko Dan 03/4

NT 75 Wilfork Vince 04/1 96 Sullivan Johnathan T/NO 65 Smith LeKevin 06/6* 99 Wright Mike CF05 92 Thomas Santonio CF05

RDE 93 Seymour Richard 01/1 97 Green Jarvis 02/4 62 Drame Kadar CF06

LOLB 95 Banta-Cain Tully 03/7 58 Mincey Jeremy 06/6*

LILB 54 BRUSCHI Tedy 96/3 52 Beisel Monty U/KC 53 IZZO Larry U/Mia 47 Claridge Ryan 05/5 45 Woods Pierre CF06

RILB 50 VRABEL Mike U/Pit 51 DAVIS Don U/SL 98 Gardner Barry SF06 48 Roach Freddie CF06

ROLB 59 COLVIN Rosevelt U/Chi 49 Alexander Eric CF04 46 Mays Corey CF06

LCB 22 Samuel Asante 03/4 21 Gay Randall CFG04 32 Poteat Hank SF04 9 Williams Gemara CF06

SS 37 HARRISON Rodney SF03 34 JONES Tebucky 98/1 36 Sanders James 05/4 25 Hawkins Artrell SF05 24 Mitchell Mel U/NO

FS 26 Wilson Eugene 03/2 29 Scott Guss 03/3 41 Ventrone Raymond CF05~ 38 Andrews Willie 06/7* 42 Herring Jarvis CF06

RCB 27 Hobbs Ellis 05/3 23 WARFIELD Eric SF06 30 SCOTT Chad SF05 31 Spann Antwain SF05~ 35 Brown Vernell CF06

Special Teams

P 8 MILLER Josh SF04

PK 7 GRAMATICA Martin SF06 3 Gostkowski Stephen 06/4*

LS 66 Paxton Lonie CF00 48 Condo Jon SF06

KR

[JonEJet]

I've seen better

[124]

I've always liked Reche Caldwell so maybe Belichick and Co. can make something out of him in New England. My personal view is I think they eaisly can. He has good hands and he's a perfect fit for their 5-10 yard catch and run offense. He also could be a good deep threat for Brady when they decided to launch it.

[PatsFanTX]

I've seen better

Not on the team you root for.

The Jets have the worst talent and depth of any team in the NFL.

[SoFlaJets]

Offense

LWR 87 Coles Laveranues 00/3 89 Cotchery Jerricho 04/4 11 Witherspoon Jovan CF05~ 18 Newhouse Reggie SF06~ 9 Mobley DeQawn CF06

WR2 4 Silva Phil CF06

RWR 81 McCareins Justin T/Ten 17 DWIGHT Tim U/NE 84 Ridgeway Dante' W/Cin 16 Smith Brad 06/4* 2 Wright Wallace CF06

LT 60 Ferguson D'Brickashaw 06/1* 68 CLEMENT Anthony U/SF 78 Blanton Ed CF06

LG 66 KENDALL Pete SF04 76 Morley Steven T/GB 71 Nienhuis Doug P/Sea

C 70 TEAGUE Trey U/Buf 74 Mangold Nick 06/1* 64 Katnik Norm P/SF 69 Missant Charles CF05~

RG 65 Moore Brandon CF02 72 Snell Isaac CF05~ 62 King Michael CF05~

RT 79 Jones Adrian 04/4 77 Cavka Marko 04/6~

TE 88 Jolley Doug T/Oak 86 Baker Chris 02/3 83 Dreessen Joel 05/6 82 Pociask Jason 06/5* 40 Kowalewski Joe CF06

QB 10 PENNINGTON Chad 00/1 11 Ramsey Patrick T/Was 5 Bollinger Brooks 03/6 6 Clemens Kellen 06/2*

FB 35 Askew BJ 03/3 44 Lawton Luke SF05

RB 28 MARTIN Curtis R/NE 34 Houston Cedric 05/6 23 Blaylock Derrick U/KC 29 Washington Leon 06/4* 27 Butler Terry CF05~

RB2 31 Hartigan Nick CF06 45 Tutt Stacy CF06

Defense

LDE 92 Ellis Shaun 00/1 75 Pope Monsanto U/Den 96 Ball Dave P/SD 98 Adams Darrell CF06

NT 63 Robertson Dewayne 03/1 91 Pouha Sione 05/3 95 McChesney Matt SF05 93 Alailefaleula Tui CF06 61 Schmidt Brennan CF06

RDE 67 von OELHOFFEN Kimo U/Pit 97 Johnson Trevor 04/7 94 Adams Titus 06/7*

LOLB 54 Hobson Victor 03/2 58 Chatham Matt U/NE 52 Myers Ryan CF04 53 Jackson Alonzo SF06

LILB 51 Vilma Jonathan 04/1 55 Kassell Brad U/Ten 43 Davis Mandoe CF05

RILB 50 Barton Eric U/Oak 57 McClover Darrell 04/7 56 Schlegel Anthony 06/3* 47 Costanzo Blake CF06

ROLB 99 Thomas Bryan 02/1 59 Enzor Jamar SF05 48 Thompson Will CF06 49 Bailey Craig CF06

LCB 22 Miller Justin 05/2~ 20 Strait Derrick 04/3 30 Coleman Drew 06/6* 39 Reed Rayshun SF06~

SS 25 Rhodes Kerry 05/4 41 Maddox Andre 05/5

FS 26 Coleman Erik 04/5 42 Washington Rashad 04/7 33 Smith Eric 06/3* 38 Thompson Jamie CF06

RCB 36 Barrett David U/Arz 21 Dyson Andre SF06 24 MICKENS Ray 96/3 32 Johnson Derrien CF05 37 Dada Omowale CF06

Special Teams

P 7 GRAHAM Ben CF05

PK 1 Nugent Mike 05/2~ 19 Fitzpatrick DJ CF06

LS 85 DEARTH James SF01

KR

[nj meadowlands]

Not on the team you root for.

The Jets have the worst talent and depth of any team in the NFL.

Do you post anything besides this line and "No wonder the friggin Jets haven't won a Super Bowl in 37 years :shock: "

[Maxman]

That Pats team is a joke. A total joke. 7 and 9 would be a miracle.

Brady might make it through 10 games behind that line.

[PatsFanTX]

I don't see where NE is so superior than this especially on O

You can't be friggn' serious.

The Pats have one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL and the friggn' Jets don't even know who their starting QB will be.

The Pats offense is ten times better than the Jets offense.

[Maxman]

You can't be friggn' serious.

The Pats have one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL and the friggn' Jets don't even know who their starting QB will be.

The Pats offense is ten times better than the Jets offense.

I missed that. Who did they give up for Peyton? Or did they claim Big Ben on waiver after the crash?

[gg]

You can't be friggn' serious.

The Pats have one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL and the friggn' Jets don't even know who their starting QB will be.

ahhh... there is something to be said for the element of surprise!!!

[Alk]

I missed that. Who did they give up for Peyton? Or did they claim Big Ben on waiver after the crash?

You have questionable judgement at times but I know you don't really think Roethlesburger is better than Brady.

[Maxman]

You have questionable judgement at times but I know you don't really think Roethlesburger is better than Brady.

If I needed to know if a certain tie went with my suit, Brady would be the man.

If I needed a QB that could put a team on his back and carry it to a SB Victory that would be Big Ben.

Now certainly Brady is good. Top 10. But he is a product of the system. It is not his fault. He will forever be known as a great 2nd day pick.

[Garb]

Brady sucks. Big Ben is the man. Nothing like a 20% QB rating in a SB to drive that point home. Shoot - they even named an hamburger after the guy! How do you top that? What, Tx? Tom Brady has two SB MVP's? Big Deal! Big Ben has a frickin' BURGER named after him.

[raffyD]

Brady sucks. Big Ben is the man. Nothing like a 20% QB rating in a SB to drive that point home. Shoot - they even named an hamburger after the guy! How do you top that? What, Tx? Tom Brady has two SB MVP's? Big Deal! Big Ben has a frickin' BURGER named after him.

Brady didn't win jack last year and Ben won the Superbowl.

This is from Websters:

System QB (aka Tom Brady):

[ThunderbirdJet]

NE is the most over rated team in the NFL. Being in the worst division in the league means they probably make the playoffs, also helped along with an otherwise very weak schedule. They have zero depth, except maybe at RB. They are an injury away from a total collapse.

[Maxman]

NE is the most over rated team in the NFL. Being in the worst division in the league means they probably make the playoffs, also helped along with an otherwise very weak schedule. They have zero depth, except maybe at RB. They are an injury away from a total collapse.

POTW NOM

[SoFlaJets]

you don't see question marks in both teams' skill positions Pats fans?Even Brady is coming off surgery-personally I don't see that big of a big difference

[Garb]

OH MY GOD! PATS SUCK!!!

Tom Brady is nothing but a system QB- OH MY! No depth (especially at TE and DE - holy smokes are the Patsies weak there or what!) - OH MY!! The HC is clearly in over his head - I hear he mumbles - OH MY!

"MOMMY!!!!""..................

[PatsFanTX]

Brady didn't win jack last year and Ben won the Superbowl.

Get back to me when Big Ben wins 2 more.

[PatsFanTX]

NE is the most over rated team in the NFL. Being in the worst division in the league means they probably make the playoffs, also helped along with an otherwise very weak schedule. They have zero depth, except maybe at RB. They are an injury away from a total collapse.

Webster's:

Penis Envy: NE is the most over rated team in the NFL. Being in the worst division in the league means they probably make the playoffs, also helped along with an otherwise very weak schedule. They have zero depth, except maybe at RB. They are an injury away from a total collapse.

[Jetsfan80]

Webster's:

Penis Envy: NE is the most over rated team in the NFL. Being in the worst division in the league means they probably make the playoffs, also helped along with an otherwise very weak schedule. They have zero depth, except maybe at RB. They are an injury away from a total collapse.

Actually Tx, penis envy is when a girl at a very young age is "envious" of a boy's genitalia because she perceives that the boy is treated more favorably (which in our society full of gender roles is quite possible, even at the implicit level).

Patriots will, unfortunately, win the AFC East once again.

[Alk]

If I needed to know if a certain tie went with my suit, Brady would be the man.

If I needed a QB that could put a team on his back and carry it to a SB Victory that would be Big Ben.

Now certainly Brady is good. Top 10. But he is a product of the system. It is not his fault. He will forever be known as a great 2nd day pick.

See, now I can tell that you're trying to get a rise out of us. Big Ben is the next Trent Dilfer, he couldn't carry a loaf of bread let alone his entire team. The only thing he has to worry about is not f#cking up. If that means hand it off to any of their running backs for the entire game so be it but he never will be in Brady or even Manning's league.

[124]

See, now I can tell that you're trying to get a rise out of us. Big Ben is the next Trent Dilfer, he couldn't carry a loaf of bread let alone his entire team. The only thing he has to worry about is not f#cking up. If that means hand it off to any of their running backs for the entire game so be it but he never will be in Brady or even Manning's league.

Alk's best post ever.

110% truth.

[ThunderbirdJet]

I must reconnoiter..... one second look, I think Miami, as awful as they may appear to be, will win the division. Better WR's a better RB, and now, a better QB. The defense now has a year of experience under Saban's system. Sure, Will Allen sucks, but the rest of the D is solid. Brady is breaking down, and Matt Cassel? Brooks Bollinger II.

The defense is in a shambles. Harrison is done, Teddy B is on his last good artery, Biesel is too stupid to learn the scheme, McGinest is gone, and there isn't a decent DB on the squad. Mangini sure knew when it was time to get the H outta bean town!

The last nail in the coffin is that Brady will actually have to try to win a game, instead of making Vinateirri do it for him all the time. He won't get it done. The Pats are on the downswing, no doubt about that. Major loss of talent, and no depth whatsoever. Heck, I think the Bills will beat them in Buffalo this year! Maybe coach Belly can order some more snow storms in Boston..... that's about the ONLY way they can save their season! Snowstorms in September!

[PatsFanTX]

See, now I can tell that you're trying to get a rise out of us. Big Ben is the next Trent Dilfer, he couldn't carry a loaf of bread let alone his entire team. The only thing he has to worry about is not f#cking up. If that means hand it off to any of their running backs for the entire game so be it but he never will be in Brady or even Manning's league.

Damn, I fell for Max's crap.

[raffyD]

Get back to me when Big Ben wins 2 more.

Thought you'd say that, and you probably knew I'd say the following:

"Delusional Patriots fans, always living in the past!"

[Gainzo]

Thought you'd say that, and you probably knew I'd say the following:

"Delusional Patriots fans, always living in the past!"

You gotta admit though that Big Ben's performance in the Super Bowl was awful. Tony Eason could have done better.

[StillerPaul]

You gotta admit though that Big Ben's performance in the Super Bowl was awful. Tony Eason could have done better.

I'm tryin' real hard to stay out of this thread but dammit i can't resist the temptation. lol

Comparing Tony eason to Big Ben is just plain stupid IMO. Not even close. And while i won't dis-respect Tom Brady (he is among the best for winning SB's), i will say that it is clearly evident that he is more of a system QB than Ben would ever be. Yeah, Ben had a bad SB, big whoop. Ben carried that team on his back 3 straight road playoff games prior to that. There has been reason for the Steelers being beaten by the Patsy's in those AFCC's. The Pats have always been just a bit more talented. Now we have the franchise QB developed enough where he can take over games. Too bad we don't play in the reg. season this year, it would prove the directions these teams are headed IMO.

BTW Max, i have a sudden new found respect for you. Keep up the Big Ben props! LOL

[Gainzo]

I'm tryin' real hard to stay out of this thread but dammit i can't resist the temptation. lol

Comparing Tony eason to Big Ben is just plain stupid IMO. Not even close. And while i won't dis-respect Tom Brady (he is among the best for winning SB's), i will say that it is clearly evident that he is more of a system QB than Ben would ever be. Yeah, Ben had a bad SB, big whoop. Ben carried that team on his back 3 straight road playoff games prior to that. There has been reason for the Steelers being beaten by the Patsy's in those AFCC's. The Pats have always been just a bit more talented. Now we have the franchise QB developed enough where he can take over games. Too bad we don't play in the reg. season this year, it would prove the directions these teams are headed IMO.

BTW Max, i have a sudden new found respect for you. Keep up the Big Ben props! LOL

I was talking about the SB, and you must admit he was bad. 9 of 21 for 123 yards with 2 picks. That is bad!

I should have mentioned Steve Grogan instead of Eason. Grogan put up these numbers in a 46-10 ass-whoopin in SBXX: 17/30 for 177 yards with 1 TD and 2 picks against one of the best defenses of all-time.

We will see how Ben does this year without Bettis.

As you said, too bad we don't play this season. I love going to Pittsburgh.

[PatsFanTX]

i will say that it is clearly evident that he is more of a system QB than Ben would ever be.

Big Ben not a system QB?

Hand-off

Hand-off

Draw (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Screen (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Hand-off

QB sneak (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

2-yard hitch pass (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Screen pass (incomplete)

Punt

And Big Ben is not a "system" QB?

Give me a friggn' break Stiller.

9 of 21 for 123 yards with 2 picks on the biggest stage in the World?

That was an absolutely pathetic performance under pressure.

[Garb]

I don't buy into this system qb stuff. Sure, really good QB's play in a "system" that works to their strengths....like Brady and Big Ben. But are you telling me that if Brady goes down, Matt Cassell can step right into the system and not miss a beat? Explain Drew Bledsoe sucking eggs? At what point does the QB's talent/leadership/field vision/smarts/intangibles supersede the "system?"

[vanDoug]

Back to the thread subject.

NE's depth chart doesn't scare too many.

:yawn: :yawn:

[Gainzo]

Back to the thread subject.

NE's depth chart doesn't scare too many.

:yawn: :yawn:

But it never has and that is what makes the Pats tick.

[124]

Big Ben not a system QB?

Hand-off

Hand-off

Draw (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Screen (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Hand-off

QB sneak (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

2-yard hitch pass (first down)

Hand-off

Hand-off

Screen pass (incomplete)

Punt

And Big Ben is not a "system" QB?

Give me a friggn' break Stiller.

9 of 21 for 123 yards with 2 picks on the biggest stage in the World?

That was an absolutely pathetic performance under pressure.

LOL!!! Tx is 110% correct. Gotta love Tx when he's dead on:cheers:

[PatsFanTX]

LOL!!! Tx is 110% correct. Gotta love Tx when he's dead on:cheers:

124, are you a complete dumbass?

Where the hell is my POTW nomination for that gem?

Like it will really matter anyways.