Steveg Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Or, is this what Manigini has in mind? The Jets now have a lot of D-lineman but no true NT. Since Vilma excels in the 4-3, why not make that the base D? This also lets them keep D-Rob at his natural position and frees him up. Unless they move up to draft Branch, this is the best use of their personnel. I can still see the Patriots running it down our throats right up the middle in the 2nd half of that last game...UGHHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Or, is this what Manigini has in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 we ought to run the 4-3,it would be awsome with D-rob and another good DT beside him.Heck even Mosley and Pouha could help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 The 3-4 defense is better than the 4-3, its also harder to run but we have the right coach for it. Bryan Thomas has done much better in the 3-4 Also the 3-4 brings more speed to the field and should help us more than hurt us in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcel2NuFX Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 The 3-4 defense is better than the 4-3, its also harder to run but we have the right coach for it. Bryan Thomas has done much better in the 3-4 Also the 3-4 brings more speed to the field and should help us more than hurt us in the long run. It is great to have a coach that can run a 3-4 but it's sorta counter productive if you don't have the personell for it. This is why as much as I love Vilma I would be open minded about a trade if it got us something that fit our needs better in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 It is great to have a coach that can run a 3-4 but it's sorta counter productive if you don't have the personell for it. This is why as much as I love Vilma I would be open minded about a trade if it got us something that fit our needs better in return. 34 is just a better defense, much harder to read, you can do so many different things out of it. you are right on the personel, but rome wasn't built in a day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 People like to read a whole lot into the Jets signing D linemen. Did anybody notice that they are all ends? Sure a few are 3-4 ends and might be capable of playing a little tackle, but they are still DEs. The 3-4 and the 4-3 put the same number of DEs on the field. A more likely reason for their signing so many DEs is that Kimo sucked and nobody else was close to pushing him. They still don't have a single DT on the roster other than DRob that has proven deserving of NFL playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcel2NuFX Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 34 is just a better defense, much harder to read, you can do so many different things out of it. you are right on the personel, but rome wasn't built in a day... Your right and thats the reason I believe we should play more 4-3 until we can effectively play a 3-4 full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Your right and thats the reason I believe we should play more 4-3 until we can effectively play a 3-4 full time. We dont play the 3-4 exclusively... we play whatever is working best already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustoonarmy Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 We dont play the 3-4 exclusively... we play whatever is working best already Thats it. We didn't at any time last year play a pure 3-4 D it was a hybrid 4-3. I think that Mr Mangini is keeping his cards close to his chest and MAY go 4-3 next year or with the same hybrid mix. I like it it alot beacuse its so hard to read , the only problem is , is finding players that comfortable running it , IMO Vilma isn't and hes pivotol to what we are going to achieve. Our main divisional rival is again going to be the Pats , and if we can gain the upper hand by simply shifting our D around during the game with the right personel we could have anothet win at Foxboro which will be a key game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_blood Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 If Vilma had a real NT and if Kimo didnt suck, trade talks wouldnt even be a conversation. Anyway, Mangini does like to run both 4-3 and 3-4, and remember, the Jets DID NOT have the pieces to run the 3-4 or 4-3 effectively last season. Expect a much better defensive play next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 ARRGH!!!! We ran the 3-4 last year and we'll run it this year. We didnt just sign B.Thomas to a five year deal to all of a sudden go back to a system in which he wasnt successful. Coleman is a DE. He will play most of the time in place of Kimo at one of the DE positions with Ellis at the other and D Rob at NT. So in the base 3-4 the front seven will look like this: Ellis DRob Coleman Hobson Barton Vilma B. Thomas. But the great thing about the 3-4 is that you can run multiple looks including something that looks like a 4-3. So our 4-3 look might look like this: Ellis DRob Coleman B. Thomas Hobson Barton Vilma Notice that the 3-4 relies on one and sometimes both of the OLBs to have the ability to line up on the LOS. So, often the 3-4 v. the 4-3 look is just a matter of where B. Thomas lines up. This is why the emergence of B Thomas was so important and why they signed him to a contract extension during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Patience is a virtue, folks. We have to give this 3-4 more than 1 year before we say scrap it, especially since the negatives about the system are centered around 2 1st round picks, Vilma and Robertson. Mangini didn't draft Vilma and Robertson, but that doesn't mean they cannot improve within his system (although to be honest, I have MUCH more faith in Vilma doing so than Robertson). Give it time. Vilma wants to be a great player. If he really is going to be great, he shouldn't be limited to being great ONLY in a 4-3 system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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