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not that i think the phins picked wisely with Ted Ginn Jr. at 9 overall (I think they should've traded down), but i have to admit he is very impressive and i hope bob sutton and mike westhoff are planning ways to stop him as i'm writing this.

if and when ted ginn jr. recovers from his injury he will definitely be a game changer.

Here's a highlight reel for those who are interested to see what we'll be up against twice a year:

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I don't think anyone is questioning his skill, but they picked him over a QB who they needed very bad. They also picked him when he was a little injuried. It's not a bad pick if Brady Quinn wasn't in the draft.

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I don't think anyone is questioning his skill, but they picked him over a QB who they needed very bad. They also picked him when he was a little injuried. It's not a bad pick if Brady Quinn wasn't in the draft.

True Enough. But even after seeing this video, it doesn't justify picking him with Quinn on the board still.

Gotta admit though, I will hate kicking the ball off to him next year. That much I know.

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wow, after seeing that video I can understand their pick. I am not high on Quinn, I think he will suck in the NFL, and obviously other teams thought that as well. What great vision this guy has and blazing speed. He looks like a Dante Hall, but with faster straight line speed and bigger. Now who's throwing to him this year again?....

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not that i think the phins picked wisely with Ted Ginn Jr. at 9 overall (I think they should've traded down), but i have to admit he is very impressive and i hope bob sutton and mike westhoff are planning ways to stop him as i'm writing this.

if and when ted ginn jr. recovers from his injury he will definitely be a game changer.

Here's a highlight reel for those who are interested to see what we'll be up against twice a year:

WGyrgqOKZLg

I realize it's the college level. I've never seen that kind of break away speed, he's there, then he's gone. He won't live up to the 9th overall pick, but he will be good. I just wish he wasn't on a team of ferries.

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Ok what I saw in that video is a fast return specialist, there were also alot of missed tackles and flags on the plays in that video. Do you really see him as a good receiver especially on the professional level? Cause I don't.

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Ok what I saw in that video is a fast return specialist, there were also alot of missed tackles and flags on the plays in that video. Do you really see him as a good receiver especially on the professional level? Cause I don't.

unfortunately, i do.... if he's healthy, then he's a serious playmaker that will keep defensive coordinators up late at night.

btw, cam cameron, one of the best offensive minds in the league today and who had quite a bit to do with the success of san diego's offense, is justification for taking ginn so high in the draft.

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...btw, cam cameron, one of the best offensive minds in the league today and who had quite a bit to do with the success of san diego's offense, is justification for taking ginn so high in the draft.

Point(s) taken, but you must see this as foolhardy nonetheless.

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He is so far off from being a complete WR its not even funny. The guy is a toothpick and is not physical, plus his hands really arent great either. Should be a great return man who will make some great plays here and there but not a #1 WR like an Andre Johnson or Roy Williams. Revis should do a good job vs Ginn as Revis will just physically dominate him.

He's a game breaker though. But he might not stay healthy.

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Yes you have that seen that kind of break away speed...his name was peter warrick

Peter Warrick? Fast? That's a joke right? Warrick was supposed to be a superstar. Everybody said that. Then he timed liked a 4.6 at the combine and followed it up with a couple of indoor mid 4.5s at pro-day. People that preached "game speed" over the 40 complained that everybody knows Warrick is fast, well guess what-He isn't and he wasn't fast enough for the NFL. Ginn has run 4.27 or so. He ran in the 4.3s at his pre-draft workouts and reportedly a 4.28 recently, with the injury.

I don't think Ginn was worth the #9 pick, but crucifying the Dolphins for not taking Quinn when he was passed over by plenty of teams seems a little questionable. Maybe they didn't like him. I don't. I'd have preferred somebody else in the top 10, but that guy will be a pain in the ass for Westhoff and may well develop into a fine wr. Even if he doesn't he's going to be a pain to deal with.

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Peter Warrick? Fast? That's a joke right? Warrick was supposed to be a superstar. Everybody said that. Then he timed liked a 4.6 at the combine and followed it up with a couple of indoor mid 4.5s at pro-day. People that preached "game speed" over the 40 complained that everybody knows Warrick is fast, well guess what-He isn't and he wasn't fast enough for the NFL. Ginn has run 4.27 or so. He ran in the 4.3s at his pre-draft workouts and reportedly a 4.28 recently, with the injury.

I don't think Ginn was worth the #9 pick, but crucifying the Dolphins for not taking Quinn when he was passed over by plenty of teams seems a little questionable. Maybe they didn't like him. I don't. I'd have preferred somebody else in the top 10, but that guy will be a pain in the ass for Westhoff and may well develop into a fine wr. Even if he doesn't he's going to be a pain to deal with.

Who was to know Warrick would not do what he did in college? Warrick was a playmaker in every way against top college competition as a Seminole play UF, Canes, and ACC schedule. Warrick on film was unreal and looked to be a no brainer. Look at E Wilford from VT ran 4.81 at the combine. He's a starter now with the Jags.I think too much emphasis is placed on Combines, and Pro days..and I wonder who plays with the stats and for who's benefit. My nephew reported today to Jets rookie camp as an UDFA. At his pro day 4 people sitting with my brother had Jesse allen at 4.63-4.68 on his first run, and 4.79-4.85 on his second run. NFL.com reported him at 4.84 & 4.84....what are the chances of that???

Getting back to Ted Ginn Jr..Great kid, great family, blazing speed(deangelo hall type speed) but very undiciplined WR at this time. The Phins reached for him but his ability to break the big play is very appealing like he did to start the NC against UF. I think even as a gamebraking ST punt, & kickoff returner he will be great if he stays healthy. May take a few years before he's a better receiver...Yes..Phins needed Brady at #9 badly.

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Who was to know Warrick would not do what he did in college? Warrick was a playmaker in every way against top college competition as a Seminole play UF, Canes, and ACC schedule. Warrick on film was unreal and looked to be a no brainer. Look at E Wilford from VT ran 4.81 at the combine. He's a starter now with the Jags.I think too much emphasis is placed on Combines, and Pro days..and I wonder who plays with the stats and for who's benefit. My nephew reported today to Jets rookie camp as an UDFA. At his pro day 4 people sitting with my brother had Jesse allen at 4.63-4.68 on his first run, and 4.79-4.85 on his second run. NFL.com reported him at 4.84 & 4.84....what are the chances of that???

Getting back to Ted Ginn Jr..Great kid, great family, blazing speed(deangelo hall type speed) but very undiciplined WR at this time. The Phins reached for him but his ability to break the big play is very appealing like he did to start the NC against UF. I think even as a gamebraking ST punt, & kickoff returner he will be great if he stays healthy. May take a few years before he's a better receiver...Yes..Phins needed Brady at #9 badly.

I agree 100% with you though about the 40 times. They do put too much stock in the combines. If a guy runs a 4.4 or a 4.5 it is football skills that will make the difference. A corner can run a 4.2 but if he can't cover anyone that speed isn't going to help.

I like the LB that the Jets took in the 2nd round. That is a football player. Screw the #s, he is a football player.

Good luck to Jesse, I hope he makes the team. Tell him we are rooting for him!

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Who was to know Warrick would not do what he did in college? Warrick was a playmaker in every way against top college competition as a Seminole play UF, Canes, and ACC schedule. Warrick on film was unreal and looked to be a no brainer. Look at E Wilford from VT ran 4.81 at the combine. He's a starter now with the Jags.I think too much emphasis is placed on Combines, and Pro days..and I wonder who plays with the stats and for who's benefit. My nephew reported today to Jets rookie camp as an UDFA. At his pro day 4 people sitting with my brother had Jesse allen at 4.63-4.68 on his first run, and 4.79-4.85 on his second run. NFL.com reported him at 4.84 & 4.84....what are the chances of that???

Getting back to Ted Ginn Jr..Great kid, great family, blazing speed(deangelo hall type speed) but very undiciplined WR at this time. The Phins reached for him but his ability to break the big play is very appealing like he did to start the NC against UF. I think even as a gamebraking ST punt, & kickoff returner he will be great if he stays healthy. May take a few years before he's a better receiver...Yes..Phins needed Brady at #9 badly.

Top college competition is not the NFL. The stopwatch predicted that Warrick wouldn't be such a great playmaker. Comparing him to Ginn is a joke. Now comparing Bethel Johnson to Ginn...

Some guys can make it without blazing speed, but there are guys that are running in the 4.5 range thriving in college based on their speed that will fall on their face when DEs are running them down in the NFL. Congrats on your nephew. Let us know how camp goes.

For the record I wasn't that high on Warrick coming out of Fl St. and I'm not high on Jarrett now. I see another JJ Stokes (if their lucky) when I look at Jarrett, but I probably don't watch enough college games.

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Ginn was a good pickup, but it wont mean anything if he doesn't have anyone decent to get him the ball. Fins needed a QB in the first round. taking some John Beck from BYU in the second round probably wasn't the best choice. I'm not entirely convinced Quinn is going to be the next great QB, but if your going to pass on him, at least go after someone like Drew Stanton in the second.

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The problem with Ginn is very simple. If you chuck him at the line, and get your hands on him within the designated area from the LOS, he has a lot of problem breaking that contact and creating seperation for himself.

he is not physical enough. Penn State did this against him 2 years in a row.

This past year, I think he had 2 catches for 15 yards, something like that.

He is going to have a difficult time matching up.

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The problem with Ginn is very simple. If you chuck him at the line, and get your hands on him within the designated area from the LOS, he has a lot of problem breaking that contact and creating seperation for himself.

he is not physical enough. Penn State did this against him 2 years in a row.

This past year, I think he had 2 catches for 15 yards, something like that.

He is going to have a difficult time matching up.

good point. I don't think punt returning in the nfl is going to come quite as easy for him either. the brad smith type speedsters in the league are not going to allow him 5 steps of momentum like the highlight reel shows

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If the Dolphins had picked Ginn and then not gotten a pretty good QB in the draft I would agree that this was a mistake. But they didnt. They got a QB that had solid 2nd round grade and who some saw as being equal to Quinn in lots of areas, plus they got Ted Ginn.

Ginn will have to learn to be more physical because he does have a hard time getting off the line if played physically. He is still an unpolished reciever and he doesnt have the greatest hands. BUT, the guy is potentially a big time game breaker.

I hate Miami, but they definitely improved their team for the future. They got a good QB prospect and a potential big play guy. They may not win more games next year, but if Ginn can stay healthy and Beck pans out they will be a lot scarier in the near and distant future.

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Dolphins wanted Levi Brown at #9. Their offensive line stunk last year. Everyone is quick to go after Culpeper but if you watched any of the games he played last year he got 0 protection from that line. The O-line nearly got him killed against the Steelers and Bills and even allowed Mario Williams to get his first NFL sack. When it became obvious Brown wasn't going to be available they panicked and took Ginn.

The right move for the Dolphins would have been to address the secondary needs and take Leon Hall. I haven't seen John Beck play. I've watched Drew Stanton play and like him as a pro prospect but I can't really say who's better.

All I can say is for these people who say that because Beck is older he will be a better Qb I have two words: Chris Weinke.

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The right move for the Dolphins would have been to address the secondary needs and take Leon Hall.

I have to laugh at your backhanded slap at the Jets. Why would the Fins not pick Revis, the first CB off the board? Maybe that would be the right move.

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Dolphins wanted Levi Brown at #9. Their offensive line stunk last year. Everyone is quick to go after Culpeper but if you watched any of the games he played last year he got 0 protection from that line. The O-line nearly got him killed against the Steelers and Bills and even allowed Mario Williams to get his first NFL sack. When it became obvious Brown wasn't going to be available they panicked and took Ginn.

The right move for the Dolphins would have been to address the secondary needs and take Leon Hall. I haven't seen John Beck play. I've watched Drew Stanton play and like him as a pro prospect but I can't really say who's better.

All I can say is for these people who say that because Beck is older he will be a better Qb I have two words: Chris Weinke.

PeterNorth...wrong again....it wasn't the OLmen's fault..it was Dante Culpepper's fault-that is if you watched the early games he started and all.Culpepper couldn't get out of the way he was NOT moving fast enough and he was also making the Miami OL look bad in not doing so...they were getting blamed but it was his limitations...physically AND mentally that was causing all the havoc

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PeterNorth...wrong again....it wasn't the OLmen's fault..it was Dante Culpepper's fault-that is if you watched the early games he started and all.Culpepper couldn't get out of the way he was NOT moving fast enough and he was also making the Miami OL look bad in not doing so...they were getting blamed but it was his limitations...physically AND mentally that was causing all the havoc

Exactly, say what you want about Cleo, at least he got rid of the ball on time. The line could hold their blocks for the 3 step drop, which lemon would do, and then he would release. Daunte "bledsoe" Culpepper made that line look far worse than they actually were. I'm not saying i think the miami line is good, but they aren't horrible, they could seemingly run block against us...for what its worth.

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I agree 100% with you though about the 40 times. They do put too much stock in the combines. If a guy runs a 4.4 or a 4.5 it is football skills that will make the difference. A corner can run a 4.2 but if he can't cover anyone that speed isn't going to help.

I like the LB that the Jets took in the 2nd round. That is a football player. Screw the #s, he is a football player.

Good luck to Jesse, I hope he makes the team. Tell him we are rooting for him!

Agreed, look at Cotchery. He had a bad 40 time and went in the 4th round and had a breakout year last year.

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