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You Can Have ONE of these players...who you takin?

TomShane

By TomShane
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Which player of the following are you taking?  

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  1. 1. Which player of the following are you taking?

    • Chris McAlister
      1
    • Robert Gallery
      11
    • Roy Williams (Cowboys safety)
      7
    • Roy Williams (Lions Receiver)
      2
    • Peyton Manning (Colts Wimp)
      11
    • Richard Seymour
      1
    • Brian Urlacher
      1

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nj meadowlands

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The more I think about it, the more I think I'd take Peyton Manning. I mean look at it. He hasn't beaten the Pats yet and gotten to the big one, but if he were to come to the Jets (never would happen anyway), he would become a tougher, outdoor stadium quarterback. Plus, he would see the Pats twice in the regular season. A choke artist indeed, Manning is still the best quarterback in the National Football League.

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Jetfanmack

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Without a doubt Manning. QB is still the most important position in the NFL with LT second, and Manning is another coach on the field. As much as you guys love to hate him, he's still amazing. I know the dome, Harrison, and James all help him out greatly, but he is the ringleader, and he and Brady are the best players at the most important position.

Most of the other players don't even belong on the list. Gallery had a rookie year in which he played nowhere near like the best LT prospect in years. Roy Williams of the Lions isn't a top 10 receiver yet; Roy Williams of the Cowboys is overrated, and he can't cover that well.

McAllister, Seymour, and Urlacher you can at least make halfway-decent arguments for. McAllister has the strongest argument. Seymour missed the playoffs, and New England didn't miss a beat. He's very good, but he's not a Manning or a McAllister. Urlacher gets hurt too much and doesn't shed blocks well enough to be the pick.

Definitely Manning out of these choices.

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Barton

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I guess you just HAVE to go with the franchise left tackle, although I don't think Gallery is nearly half as good as Ogden.

But I'll take Roy Williams (cowboys safety)

What he does makes the entire secondary and defense that much better. He's Rodney Harrison with speed, talent, youth and range.

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Someone alert Max that JamesHasty has hacked into TomShane's account.

I'd take Peyton Manning over any of those players, in a heartbeat. A Manning-led team is ALWAYS going to be in the playoffs. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, so I don't think Manning will retire without a ring. He needs to be paired an adequate head coach.

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nj meadowlands

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Someone alert Max that JamesHasty has hacked into TomShane's account.

I'd take Peyton Manning over any of those players, in a heartbeat. A Manning-led team is ALWAYS going to be in the playoffs. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, so I don't think Manning will retire without a ring. He needs to be paired an adequate head coach.

Agreed, for once

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Barton

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I picked Roy Williams (Lions WR) for the Steelers. Franchise QB, LT are in place already IMO and the defense is young and good so i figured a top notch WR opposite Ward would be the perfect fit.

Was Chris McAlister next on your list?

BTW, tomshane, champ bailey should be on this list, he's younger and better than McAlister.

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Jetsfan80

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BTW, tomshane, champ bailey should be on this list, he's younger and better than McAlister.

Says who? Madden 2006?

Are we thinking of the same person here? Was Champ Bailey not the same guy who did nothing to prevent the Peyton Manning-led Colt offense from steam-rolling over the Bronco defense yet again? :shock:

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Barton

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Says who? Madden 2006?

Are we thinking of the same person here? Was Champ Bailey not the same guy who did nothing to prevent the Peyton Manning-led Colt offense from steam-rolling over the Bronco defense yet again? :shock:

:roll:

Champ Bailey cannot cover 3 great wide recievers at 1 time. Fact is, McAlister got burned last year on several occasions. Not saying Champ didn't get burned, because he did. But he's still the only corner in the league I'd really trust in 1-on-1 matchups with a great wide reciever. McAlister is more physical at the line, but he can get beat deap and turned around too easily.

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Jetsfan80

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:roll:

Champ Bailey cannot cover 3 great wide recievers at 1 time. Fact is, McAlister got burned last year on several occasions. Not saying Champ didn't get burned, because he did. But he's still the only corner in the league I'd really trust in 1-on-1 matchups with a great wide reciever. McAlister is more physical at the line, but he can get beat deap and turned around too easily.

Since when are Brandon Stokley and Reggie Wayne "great" receivers? In any other offense, they'd be JAG's.

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Do you know what you're talking about? :shock:

Stokley was the ravens #1 when they won the super bowl in 2000. He's basically a bigger and much faster Wayne Chrebet.

And Reggie Wayne was a 1st rd pick back in 2001 and is a very good wide reciever. Far better than Justin McCareins and Santana Moss.

These guys have talent and have done well, they're not JAGs.

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Solid starter, yes.

GREAT? Hell no.

The kid would be the #1 guy if Harrison wasn't there.

He would come here and challange coles for the same spot.

When he has another huge season this yr you will change your tune.

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Barton

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reggie wayne will be a free agent after 2005

No way the colts can somehow pay him a big contract if he has another great season. I just don't see how they can do it unless they give up edge and some others as well. I guess its possible, but Freeney will be a free agent too after 2005 season!!!

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Jetfanmack

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Do you know what you're talking about? :shock:

Stokley was the ravens #1 when they won the super bowl in 2000. He's basically a bigger and much faster Wayne Chrebet.

And Reggie Wayne was a 1st rd pick back in 2001 and is a very good wide reciever. Far better than Justin McCareins and Santana Moss.

These guys have talent and have done well, they're not JAGs.

Stokley is an exceptional #3, but he is nowhere near a #1, and Wayne is probably an exceptional #3. They are all in a great offense and put in great positions by Manning. The dome doesn't hurt.

The problem with that dumbass Jetsfan80's logic is that Bailey can only cover one at a time. I can't say I watched the whole game because I was on vacation, but I'm sure it was more Walls and Herndon being burned than Bailey. Bailey can only cover one of the three. Wayne and Stokley are still much better than the other 2 cornerbacks, and the safeties aren't very good either.

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The kid would be the #1 guy if Harrison wasn't there.

He would come here and challange coles for the same spot.

When he has another huge season this yr you will change your tune.

Not really. When your QB is throwing 50 TD's, it's hard not to put up great numbers.

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Stokley is an exceptional #3, but he is nowhere near a #1, and Wayne is probably an exceptional #3. They are all in a great offense and put in great positions by Manning. The dome doesn't hurt.

The problem with that dumbass Jetsfan80's logic is that Bailey can only cover one at a time. I can't say I watched the whole game because I was on vacation, but I'm sure it was more Walls and Herndon being burned than Bailey. Bailey can only cover one of the three. Wayne and Stokley are still much better than the other 2 cornerbacks, and the safeties aren't very good either.

My point is that nothing changed from one year to the next. If Champ Bailey is the best corner in the league, then why was the Bronco defense as horrid as it was the year before?

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Barton

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Dude, are you that dense

1 player doesn't make a defense great, even if its the best cornerback in the NFL

1st of all

1. teams for the most part, completely avoided Baileys side of the field. Chossing to abuse the other corners on the broncos, or the broncos slow footed safeties john lynch and kenoy kennedy

2. Broncos have and had no pass rush to help out the secondary

Despite all of thise, I believe the Broncos held the #1 defensive mark in the NFl in 2005 during the majority of the 1st 8 games, so they weren't completely lost.

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The problem with that dumbass Jetsfan80's logic is that Bailey can only cover one at a time. I can't say I watched the whole game because I was on vacation, but I'm sure it was more Walls and Herndon being burned than Bailey. Bailey can only cover one of the three. Wayne and Stokley are still much better than the other 2 cornerbacks, and the safeties aren't very good either.

That's a good point, but perhaps you were "on vacation" during the Sunday Night Football game in which Jerry Porter absolutely raped Bailey to the tune of 135 yards and 3 touchdowns. Champ Bailey is extremely over-rated. The Redskins made out like bandits in that Portis trade.

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Barton

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That's a good point, but perhaps you were "on vacation" during the Sunday Night Football game in which Jerry Porter absolutely raped Bailey to the tune of 135 yards and 3 touchdowns. Champ Bailey is extremely over-rated. The Redskins made out like bandits in that Portis trade.

I wouldn't say that. The Skins had to give up a draft pick and portis for bailey right?

Portis had only 5 TDs and a 3.8 YPC mark last year. Sure he had 1300 yards, but as savage would say, when you give him over 350 carries that doesn't mean much! But Portis should do better in his 2nd year in Gibbs system I would guess.

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Jetsfan80

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I wouldn't say that. The Skins had to give up a draft pick and portis for bailey right?

Portis had only 5 TDs and a 3.8 YPC mark last year. Sure he had 1300 yards, but as savage would say, when you give him over 350 carries that doesn't mean much! But Portis should do better in his 2nd year in Gibbs system I would guess.

Gibbs doesn't have a system. Jeez, Joe Gibbs fails in the NFL after being gone from it for 20 years, and people were actually SURPRISED by this? Snyder, you woulda been better off pillaging the Jets for Herm Edwards. Which reminds me, please do it this year, Dan!

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