SoFlaJets Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 1997;Farrior,Rick Terry,Dedric Ward,Terry Day,Leon Johnson,Lamont Burns,Tim Sharf,Raymond Austin,Chuck Clements,Steve Rosga,Jason Ferguson 1998; Dorian Boose Scott Frost,Kevin Williams,Jason Fabini,Casey Dailey,Doug Karczewski,Blake Spence,Eric Bateman,Eric Ogobogu,Chris Brazell,Dustin Johnson,Lawrence Hart, 1999;Randy Thomas,David Loverne,Jason Wiltz,Jermaine Jones,Mark Megna,JP Machado,Ryan Young,J.J. Syvrud, 2000;Ellis,Abraham,Pennington,Becht,Lavernaeus Coles,Windrell Hayes,Tony Scott,Richard Seals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 2000 was good. But that's right Al Groh was buying the groceries that year. Can't wait to hear that a bunch of those guys would have been stars is Herm used them properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 parcells pulled the trigger on those 4 draft picks.. as well as bringing in Curtis, Mawea, Vinny, B cox etc.. he started the golden era.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 parcells pulled the trigger on those 4 draft picks.. as well as bringing in Curtis, Mawea, Vinny, B cox etc.. he started the golden era.. Parcells said that in 2000 Groh was in charge. Are you calling him a liar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 he let groh trade Key.. But Groh certainly had input on those draft choices.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat21 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 8 solid starters (Abe, Ellis, Becht, Coles, Thomas, Fabini, Farrior, Ferguson), plus Ward and Johnson as backups in 4 years isn't bad. Only problem is 4 came in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 remember when rather than take Orlando Pace at #1 overall Parcells traded down twice and ended up with Farrior, Fergie and a bunch of cack? ah good times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 remember when rather than take Orlando Pace at #1 overall Parcells traded down twice and ended up with Farrior, Fergie and a bunch of cack? ah good times... what about the salary cap, don't forget the contracts he gave out while he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Parcells said that in 2000 Groh was in charge. Are you calling him a liar? Hermie say's Martin gets as many carries as he asks for..Is he a Liar?? Tuna was a terrible GM! Unlike Hermaphile Apologists, 2 Super Bowl wins means TunaHelpers are not needed!! The Vinny and Martin Contracts were insane not to mention Martin cost a 1st and 3rd rd picks as well!! A 1st and 3rd for a back that had 1160 yds and 4 TD's in 97 his last yr with the Pats..Adrian Murrell had 7 TD's in 97!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hermie say's Martin gets as many carries as he asks for..Is he a Liar?? Tuna was a terrible GM! Unlike Hermaphile Apologists, 2 Super Bowl wins means TunaHelpers are not needed!! The Vinny and Martin Contracts were insane not to mention Martin cost a 1st and 3rd rd picks as well!! A 1st and 3rd for a back that had 1160 yds and 4 TD's in 97 his last yr with the Pats..Adrian Murrell had 7 TD's in 97!! There is no comparison between Martin and Murrell. I distinctly remember going nuts everytime Murrell would go down from the slightest bit of contact. If he was in the open field, fine but if anyone laid a hand on him, down he went. Martin was a huge upgrade, expensive yes, but at the time much needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hermie say's Martin gets as many carries as he asks for..Is he a Liar?? Tuna was a terrible GM! Unlike Hermaphile Apologists, 2 Super Bowl wins means TunaHelpers are not needed!! The Vinny and Martin Contracts were insane not to mention Martin cost a 1st and 3rd rd picks as well!! A 1st and 3rd for a back that had 1160 yds and 4 TD's in 97 his last yr with the Pats..Adrian Murrell had 7 TD's in 97!! savage - i am with you on jordan getting a chance as a jet, especially in '03. but to say that the trade that brought him here was a mistake is going way too far. cmart brought instant credibility to a shaky offense. if the jets dont fumble 4 times in the second half against the broncos they probably would have won the superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 There is no comparison between Martin and Murrell. I distinctly remember going nuts everytime Murrell would go down from the slightest bit of contact. If he was in the open field, fine but if anyone laid a hand on him, down he went. Martin was a huge upgrade, expensive yes, but at the time much needed. Murrell went down easy?? And Martin don't?? You don't see Martin fight for extra yardage! That's the secret to not fumbling! So as a defender gets close wrap up the ball with both Arms and look for a soft spot to land!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 savage - i am with you on jordan getting a chance as a jet, especially in '03. but to say that the trade that brought him here was a mistake is going way too far. cmart brought instant credibility to a shaky offense. if the jets dont fumble 4 times in the second half against the broncos they probably would have won the superbowl. And one of those Fumbles was Martins! If I was the Tuna and didn't like Murrell I would have taken Cory Dillon in the 2nd rd in the 97 Draft! Look at the stats he had with the Lowly Bengals! Instead Tuna took Rick Terry way before Dillon! Tuna just like you Guys fell in love with Martin! But if you want to talk football and what he brings compared to what he costs..Martin is not great Value for the Money! I agree about 98! What did you like about Martin in 98?? His 1287 yds Rushing and his 3.5 yds avg per rush?? Or his 14 yds in the Bronco Game?? I agree as a Pat his 42 yds rushing in the 96/97 Bowl was alot more to brag about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 hey savage tuna helper#1 was NY Giants HC Ray Handley - ironically enough the clock management guru. these days Dick Curl is Herm's go-to guy - maybe the secret to winning SB isn't great coaching but just to get really really lucky. i can't recall if 96 was a parcells year... 2000 1 1 12 12 Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee 2 1 13 13 John Abraham LB South Carolina 3 1 18 18 Chad Pennington QB Marshall 4 1 27 27 Anthony Becht TE West Virginia 5 3 16 78 Laveranues Coles WR Florida State 6 5 14 143 Windrell Hayes WR USC 7 6 13 179 Tony Scott DB North Carolina State 8 7 12 218 Richard Seals DT Utah 1999 1 2 26 57 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State 2 3 29 90 David Loverne G San Jose State 3 4 28 123 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska 4 5 29 162 Jermaine Jones DB Northwest Louisiana 5 6 14 183 Marc Megna LB Richmond 6 6 28 197 J.P. Machado G Illinois 7 7 17 223 Ryan Young T Kansas State 8 7 29 235 J.J. Syvrud DE Jamestown 1998 1 2 26 56 Dorian Boose DT Washington State 2 3 6 67 Scott Frost DB Nebraska 3 3 26 87 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State 4 4 19 111 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati 5 5 11 134 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern 6 5 18 141 Doug Karczewski T Virginia 7 5 23 146 Blake Spence TE Oregon 8 5 26 149 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young 9 6 10 163 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland 10 6 21 174 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State 11 6 30 183 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young 12 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart TE Southern 1997 1 1 8 8 James Farrior LB Virginia 2 2 1 31 Rick Terry DT North Carolina 3 3 28 88 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa 4 4 6 102 Terry Day DE Mississippi State 5 4 8 104 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina 6 5 1 131 Lamont Burns G East Carolina 7 5 15 145 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee 8 6 1 164 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern 9 6 28 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston 10 7 1 202 Steve Rosga DB Colorado 11 7 28 229 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia 1996 1 1 1 1 Keyshawn Johnson WR USC 2 2 1 31 Alex Van Dyke WR Nevada 3 3 1 62 Ray Mickens DB Texas A&M 4 5 1 133 Marcus Coleman DB Texas Tech 5 6 1 168 Hugh Hunter DE Hampton 6 7 1 210 Chris Hayes DB Washington State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Ray Handley is a numbers genius. He is not allowed to step foot in Las Vegas because of his genius. D*ck Curl, last I heard, gets daily calls from the Bellagio asking when he's coming back. Curl would like to confirm a date, but he keeps getting his dates screwed up. Clearly, a great guy to have as your clock management guru. The fact that the Jets sign a check to Curl for what he supposedly does with the clock is embarrassing. Has anyone checked what his job is now? Dinger took over clock management duties, so what's up with D*ck? Is he there to give Herm someone to talk to during the games? As for Tuna: The Jets would still be a laughingstock if Tuna didn't give us the few years he was here for. The only reason we expect to win is because Tuna raised the standards at Weeb Ewbank Hall. Sure, Herman has done everything he possibly can to lower the bar, but just remember that the bar was set by Tuna who saved the Jets single-handedly. Bastards. hey savage tuna helper#1 was NY Giants HC Ray Handley - ironically enough the clock management guru. these days d!ck Curl is Herm's go-to guy - maybe the secret to winning SB isn't great coaching but just to get really really lucky. i can't recall if 96 was a parcells year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 remember when rather than take Orlando Pace at #1 overall Parcells traded down twice and ended up with Farrior, Fergie and a bunch of cack? ah good times... yea but fergies been a solid starter and farrior is now a star of sorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 1998 1 2 26 56 Dorian Boose DT Washington State 2 3 6 67 Scott Frost DB Nebraska 3 3 26 87 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State 4 4 19 111 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati 5 5 11 134 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern 6 5 18 141 Doug Karczewski T Virginia 7 5 23 146 Blake Spence TE Oregon 8 5 26 149 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young 9 6 10 163 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland 10 6 21 174 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State 11 6 30 183 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young 12 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart TE Southern the 98 draft may have been the worst ever. didn't spence block the punt in the afc championship against denver? other than fabini that was a load of crap the tuna picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 the 98 draft may have been the worst ever. didn't spence block the punt in the afc championship against denver? other than fabini that was a load of crap the tuna picked. One of the most amazing factoids in the history of football is that Eric Ogbogu is still in the NFL. Truly amazing. Does anyone remember when he was a RB in high school? I believe he played at Sheepshead Bay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 One of the most amazing factoids in the history of football is that Eric Ogbogu is still in the NFL. Truly amazing. Does anyone remember when he was a RB in high school? I believe he played at Sheepshead Bay? what I remember most about Ogbogu is he is the guy who pushed Santana Moss in his first training camp ending the dream of what we all hoped and what Arcorsi predicted about him-"he'll score ten TD's this year" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenjetsfan Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Can't hate any player who cops a feel off a Supreme Court Justice. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Bradway inherited a solid team from the Parcells' years. Obviously, his initial drafts were crap, but he did very well overall in the FA market, and his 2000 draft was one of the best ever for any franchise. Having Ellis, Abraham, Pennington, and Coles under contract for rookie deals, Bradway couldn't make any improvements on the roster. Hows about Bradway's initial drafts? 2003 1 1 4 4 Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky 2 2 21 53 Victor Hobson LB Michigan 3 3 21 85 B.J. Askew RB Michigan 4 5 5 140 Derek Pagel DB Iowa 5 5 15 150 Matthew Walters DE Miami (FL) 6 6 27 200 Brooks Bollinger QB Wisconsin 7 7 23 237 Dave Yovanovits T Temple 2002 1 1 22 22 Bryan Thomas DE Alabama-Birmingham 2 2 25 57 Jon McGraw DB Kansas State 3 3 23 88 Chris Baker TE Michigan State 4 4 23 121 Alan Harper DT Fresno State 5 5 19 154 Jonathan Goodwin G Michigan 2001 1 1 16 16 Santana Moss WR Miami (FL) 2 2 18 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland 3 3 17 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State 4 4 6 101 Jamie Henderson DB Georgia 5 7 6 206 James Reed DT Iowa State 6 7 17 217 Situpe Peko T Michigan State A bunch of crap. You can love DRob II all you want, but the guy cost Bradway two firsts, a fourth, and a ton of cash. Bleech! Bradway's the guy who extended Vinny's contract, and made Martin the highest paid RB in the league. His FA additions were more garbage. Tom Barndt, Matt Hatchette, Damien Robinson, Sam Garnes, Kevin Swayne, Sam Cowart, Aaron Beasley, Chet McGlockton, and the revolving door at punter, of course. If not for Parcells' leftovers, Bradway's bunch would've left fans yearning for the glory years of Bruce Coslet! Now that Ellis, Abe, Penny, and Coles are all paid at the top of their positions, taking up all that cap space, I have no faith whatsoever in Bradway to build a championship roster here. Yeah, he's gotten better lately, but he still ain't much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Can't hate any player who cops a feel off a Supreme Court Justice. :wink: Even though he still made the HOF Riggens could have been so much better had he taken care of himself..He drank Beer for breakfast! And he wasn't playing with a full deck at times but he sure had Talent!! Even though he's one of my All Time fav's I don't think he deserved the HOF!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 well go ahead and dig up the facts there bro-post the new regime's drafts and we'll compare I'm counting what-about 8 out of 40 plus from Tuna-and don't forget that he got 2 of those 1st rounders by trading KJ-and that's a hole that we hopefully get to finally fill now with TWO PLAYERS-Coles and Justin One more thing the genius did was not being ready with a contingency plan if the unthinkable happened,like it did on that opening day against N.E.Herm and Bradway made those exact plans with the very smart Jay Feidler signing,givong us the 2nd best 2nd best in the conference behind McNair/Volek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 One thing you can blame Parcells for is not taking Pace. Just retarded.This guy was (and is) A Munoz/Jacoby rock for any QB's blindside and a RB's off tackle escort for decade and a half. And Parcells simply overthought it.On ther plus side, getting the picks for Bellichick and Meshawn has worked, but for the loss of the coach, which is kind of like saying the Titanic's voyage was great other than the iceberg. Still, TS is right-this team was a running joke until Parcells came here. And he changed that dramatically for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenjetsfan Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 One thing you can blame Parcells for is not taking Pace. The Jets couldn't afford to pay the #1 pick in the draft. People like to bitch and moan about what Parcells did with the cap, but it was nothing compared to Richie Kotite's high jinx. Neil O'Donnell, Jeff Graham, Dexter Carter, Webster Slaughter... ? More Bleech. Parcells had to get out of the top five that year just to stay afloat, and had a lot more holes on that roster than just LT. How can you argue with a guy who took over a 1-15 team and had them 12-4 and in the AFC Championship in two years? Bradwards took over a 9-7 team and haven't been able to get past 10 wins in four tries! No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 One thing you can blame Parcells for is not taking Pace. Just retarded.This guy was (and is) A Munoz/Jacoby rock for any QB's blindside and a RB's off tackle escort for decade and a half. And Parcells simply overthought it.On ther plus side, getting the picks for Bellichick and Meshawn has worked, but for the loss of the coach, which is kind of like saying the Titanic's voyage was great other than the iceberg. Still, TS is right-this team was a running joke until Parcells came here. And he changed that dramatically for the better. Another thing you can Blame on the Tuna is not telling Manning he would have picked him if he came out in 97! And then he didn't want Pace either in 97?? That's why most HC's shouldn't be GM's also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 The Jets couldn't afford to pay the #1 pick in the draft. People like to b!tch and moan about what Parcells did with the cap, but it was nothing compared to Richie Kotite's high jinx. Neil O'Donnell, Jeff Graham, Dexter Carter, Webster Slaughter... ? More Bleech. Parcells had to get out of the top five that year just to stay afloat, and had a lot more holes on that roster than just LT. How can you argue with a guy who took over a 1-15 team and had them 12-4 and in the AFC Championship in two years? Bradwards took over a 9-7 team and haven't been able to get past 10 wins in four tries! No comparison. Very True I agree he had his Hands tied Money wise! Hermie took over a Good Team and ran with it! Much like Seifert took over a Great 49'er Team and won a SB with it!! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 The original Lamont Jordan. Stay tuned to see it happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 The original Lamont Jordan. Stay tuned to see it happen again. Riggens shared carries with Emerson Boozer!He avg around a 180 carries a year! Boozer led the AFL in 67 with 10 TD's on only 119 carries! In 03 Martin had 2 TD's on 323 carries! BTW before anyone say's in 03 we used Jordan in the Red Zone,in the late 60's we used a Guy named Matt Snell in the Red Zone! Take a peek at the amt of carries backs got in the 14 game years.. Even when Healthy Freeman in the 80's never had a 300 carry year! If we had a homerun hitting contest and I had 40 more at bats and beat you by 1 HR would you say I was a Better Home run hitter?? J Nance 269 M Garrett 236 H Granger 236 D Post 161 K Lincoln 159 H Dixon 153 C Daniels 130 F Little 130 E Boozer 119 B Hubbert 116 Rushing yards J Nance 1216 H Granger 1194 M Garrett 1087 D Post 663 B Hubbert 643 K Lincoln 601 C Daniels 575 H Dixon 559 W Campbell 511 W Carlton 467 Rushing TDs E Boozer 10 M Garrett 9 J Nance 7 D Post 7 H Granger 6 H Dixon 5 W Campbell 4 B Coan 4 K Lincoln 4 W Hayes 4 B Hickey 4 C Daniels 4 B Mathis 4 D Lamonica 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Bradway inherited a solid team from the Parcells' years. Obviously, his initial drafts were crap, but he did very well overall in the FA market, and his 2000 draft was one of the best ever for any franchise. Having Ellis, Abraham, Pennington, and Coles under contract for rookie deals, Bradway couldn't make any improvements on the roster. Hows about Bradway's initial drafts? A bunch of crap. You can love DRob II all you want, but the guy cost Bradway two firsts, a fourth, and a ton of cash. Bleech! Bradway's the guy who extended Vinny's contract, and made Martin the highest paid RB in the league. His FA additions were more garbage. Tom Barndt, Matt Hatchette, Damien Robinson, Sam Garnes, Kevin Swayne, Sam Cowart, Aaron Beasley, Chet McGlockton, and the revolving door at punter, of course. If not for Parcells' leftovers, Bradway's bunch would've left fans yearning for the glory years of Bruce Coslet! Now that Ellis, Abe, Penny, and Coles are all paid at the top of their positions, taking up all that cap space, I have no faith whatsoever in Bradway to build a championship roster here. Yeah, he's gotten better lately, but he still ain't much good. I'm really conflicted on Bradway now. I killed him worse than anybody for his first three years, but then all of a sudden you look up about halfway through last year and you realize that the Jets had a mighty talented roster and still do, and they're relatively cap-healthy. I had wondered if it was a deal where Bradway just decided that he was going to run the draft and FA by himself instead of letting Herm Edwards push him into signing Damien Robinson and Steve White and letting Westhoff demand the drafting of special teamers like Pagel. If nothing else, Bradway has shown growth in his job, while Herman has shown nothing resembling improvement in his. As for Parcells, what makes it more spectacular that he was able to win here was the fact that I think he may have been counting on being able to draft Peyton Manning. Of course, manning turned tail and did everything he could to avoid playing for the meanies in NY (homo) and went back to Tennessee so he could be humiliated yet again by Steve Spurrier's Forida team. Oh, and to watch the Heisman go to other players who have guts. Unlike Manning. I still blame Phil Simms for that. It's conjecture, but Manning made his decision to return to Tennesse instead of being drafted by the Jets shortly after talking to Simms about what it's like to play for Parcells. Manning returned to school and we had to burn our draft pick on Keyshawn Johnson in what was one of the weakest draft classes in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 As for Parcells, what makes it more spectacular that he was able to win here was the fact that I think he may have been counting on being able to draft Peyton Manning. Of course, manning turned tail and did everything he could to avoid playing for the meanies in NY (homo) and went back to Tennessee so he could be humiliated yet again by Steve Spurrier's Forida team. Oh, and to watch the Heisman go to other players who have guts. Unlike Manning. I still blame Phil Simms for that. It's conjecture, but Manning made his decision to return to Tennesse instead of being drafted by the Jets shortly after talking to Simms about what it's like to play for Parcells. If Parcells had been willing to tell Peyton strait up that he would draft him with the #1 pick, then Peyton and his daddy would've agreed to leave school early. Archie would've loved to have Peyton play for Parcells. Problem was that Parcells refused to commit. Most likely because he never would've drafted him. He couldn't afford it. He wanted Manning to come out so that he'd get more when trading down. It's because the concensus top dog that year was a fat tackle that the Jets got so little in return for the #1 overall that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 If Parcells had been willing to tell Peyton strait up that he would draft him with the #1 pick, then Peyton and his daddy would've agreed to leave school early. Archie would've loved to have Peyton play for Parcells. Problem was that Parcells refused to commit. Most likely because he never would've drafted him. He couldn't afford it. He wanted Manning to come out so that he'd get more when trading down. It's because the concensus top dog that year was a fat tackle that the Jets got so little in return for the #1 overall that year. I'm not questioning if that was the reality of the situation, and I'm no capologist, but if Peyton declared and Parcells passed on him, I don't think there would be any Jets franchise in existence today. Fans would have burned down Weeb Hall. Glenn Foley or Manning? Holy moly. I'd have cut half the team to make it work. However, I do remember the scuttlebutt up until the day of the draft that there was some question whether or not the Colts would take Ryan Leaf over Manning. Jim Mora has said that physically Leaf was far superior, but when you got them into the interview room, Leaf came off like a total waste of life while Manning had all the right answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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