Boozer76 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The running game. While anyone here will tell you how much of a Martin fan I am (Savage calls me a Martinette lol) I really feel that this is the one area that may possibly kill us this year. Most RB's don't fade away over time, they die instantly. It is an inevitable part of the RB position. Nobody expects it to happen to Martin this season and I certainly expect great things from him, but if it does happen this season my greatest fear is the fact that Herm will likely persist on him playing. Especially with the fact that he could extend his streak of 1000 yard seasons. Some will say our season goes as Chad goes. I say mularkey to that. We probably have the best NFL backup QB in the league and quite frankly I don't feel the quality of play drops all that much from Pennington to Fiedler. Don't forget the guy won a ton of games for MIA. Anyway this team is going to live or die based on the performance of Curtis Martin. As much as I love him, that scares me a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Boozer, I would share this view, if it weren't for Heimerdinger. I have confidence in Derrick Blaylock to be a more than capable starter if/when Curtis hits the wall. In any case, he will make sure that Curtis is not getting more than a healthy 15-20 carry diet. Of course, I'd be a LOT more confident if LaMont Jordan were still here, but....se la vi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt39 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Hate to bring up Lamont AGAIN. but If hes starting in green this year, we would be a favorite to be in the AFC Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 For what it's worth, the Jets got zero movement in the ground game versus the Giants in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The defense will be alot better than our offense again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 For what it's worth, the Jets got zero movement in the ground game versus the Giants in practice. CuMar = Put a knife in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The defense will be alot better than our offense again. I disagree. If Hackett were still here, absolutely. But the offense wasn't as bad as we'd all like to think last season, and with Heimerdinger, it can only be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Cumart just came off a 1697 yard season Blaylock is a capable backup We have a passing game to open up the field now Our O-line is still decent despite losing Kareem the jets running game will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 CuMar = Put a knife in him. You mean "put a fork in him", don't you? Or are you insinuating that you want our starting RB to be stabbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Cumart just came off a 1697 yard season It helps when you have nearly 380 carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 It helps when you have nearly 380 carries. 4.5 per carry, whats so bad about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The running game. While anyone here will tell you how much of a Martin fan I am (Savage calls me a Martinette lol) I really feel that this is the one area that may possibly kill us this year. Most RB's don't fade away over time, they die instantly. It is an inevitable part of the RB position. Nobody expects it to happen to Martin this season and I certainly expect great things from him, but if it does happen this season my greatest fear is the fact that Herm will likely persist on him playing. Especially with the fact that he could extend his streak of 1000 yard seasons. Some will say our season goes as Chad goes. I say mularkey to that. We probably have the best NFL backup QB in the league and quite frankly I don't feel the quality of play drops all that much from Pennington to Fiedler. Don't forget the guy won a ton of games for MIA. Anyway this team is going to live or die based on the performance of Curtis Martin. As much as I love him, that scares me a little. so what exactly are you saying? is the achilles heel martin who may be on his last legs? or Edwards who will leave him in past his expiration date? i think blaylock will get more touches than lamont ever did - in addition to askwew and houston. if anything, the o-line's inability to create holes against physical defenses worries me - the same thing they struggled with last year. as far as achilles heel's go - it is undoubtedly chad and his shoulder. 1 month until the first game and he still cannot throw worth a crap. he needs to get some preseason work in b/f 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 Boozer, I would share this view, if it weren't for Heimerdinger. I have confidence in Derrick Blaylock to be a more than capable starter if/when Curtis hits the wall. In any case, he will make sure that Curtis is not getting more than a healthy 15-20 carry diet. Of course, I'd be a LOT more confident if LaMont Jordan were still here, but....se la vi. I have alot of faith in Blaylock, and I feel he is a solid player. But remember he came in and played behind what was bare none the best OL in the league. Those guys created holes bigger than Tom Shane's ballon knot for guys to run through. Our OL is not at that caliber, especially with an unproven Jones on the line. Not to mention Fabini is a false start away from throwing his back out, meaning we might be looking at Cavka to protect an already fragile QB's backside. Blaylock will not have it quite as easy. And for the guy who posted the fact of Martin's 1700 yds rushing, here something interesting for you: M Faulk 2001 2000 all purpose yards (1382 rushing) and 21 TD's. M Faulk 2002 1500 all purpose tds (953 rushing) and 10 TD's. Eddie George 2000 1500 rushing yds and 18 total TD's (14 ru TD's) E George 2001 939 rushing yds, 7 total TD's (5 ru TD's) S Davis 2003 1444 ru yds, 9 TD's (8 ru TD's) S Davis 2004 92 ru yds, 1 TD. The point is Martin was great last year, but don't be shocked if the bottom drops out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 so what exactly are you saying? is the achilles heel martin who may be on his last legs? or Edwards who will leave him in past his expiration date? i think blaylock will get more touches than lamont ever did - in addition to askwew and houston. if anything, the o-line's inability to create holes against physical defenses worries me - the same thing they struggled with last year. as far as achilles heel's go - it is undoubtedly chad and his shoulder. 1 month until the first game and he still cannot throw worth a crap. he needs to get some preseason work in b/f 9/11. Chad and his shoulder is hardly the issue. If he goes down Fiedler can very capably step in. IMO they are almost identical in style of play and capability. Not for nothing, Chad has been a very mediocre QB ever since his 1st season. I really see nothing changing in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 4.5 per carry, whats so bad about that? Nothing, but his large volume of carries helps hide the deficiencies in Martin. 3.9 ypc in the playoffs with 0 TD's. No run longer than 24 yards all season. Terrible performances against the Patriots in both games. The large number of carries boosted his stats, and also has surely weakened him. I would not take the numbers he had last season, because he didnt perform against the teams we needed to beat. This season? Not only will he probably be unable to perform against the teams we need to beat, but he will probably also decline to the point where he can't perform against the teams he usually produces against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Nothing, but his large volume of carries helps hide the deficiencies in Martin. 3.9 ypc in the playoffs with 0 TD's. No run longer than 24 yards all season. Terrible performances against the Patriots in both games. The large number of carries boosted his stats, and also has surely weakened him. I would not take the numbers he had last season, because he didnt perform against the teams we needed to beat. This season? Not only will he probably be unable to perform against the teams we need to beat, but he will probably also decline to the point where he can't perform against the teams he usually produces against. Great points 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Not worried about the running game a bit. 1) The a less predictable offense, the 3rd and long won't be a run that is easily stopped. 2) We hopefully will be up towards the end of games and can pound the rock to run out the clock. 3) Curtis will have less carries, more time to rest and a better YPC this year. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I predict the running game will be even more effective this season. Opeing up the offense with use of the tight end and WRs (gasp!) will open up bigger holes for Cmart than we saw last season. Defenses will not be stacking the box as often as they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I predict the running game will be even more effective this season. Opeing up the offense with use of the tight end and WRs (gasp!) will open up bigger holes for Cmart than we saw last season. Defenses will not be stacking the box as often as they did. Barton, Dric the Bric looks like the real deal, btw. Very quick and runs very low to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 With Martins off season Workout regimen I think he'll be in shape to have a good year!! If you want to compare him to Smith or Payton! At 32 Emmitt had 261 carries and 1021 yd's the last time he did anything worthwhile..Payton had a good year at 32 with 321 carries and 1333 yds! And then was shot!! The reason I wanted a balance at RB the last few years was with Martins contract it would make sense to keep him rested and healthy for the playoffs plus I think 2 backs actually can produce a more productive outcome TD wise! And of course keep them fresh and the D off balance! Hackett wanted to go out in a Blaze of Glory and help his Buddy's stats which explains why in the first 6 games last year Jordan got 6 carries! Martin is signed through 2009 Contract wise..Even my Buddy Boozer wouldn't want a 36 year old Back as a starter!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Barton, Dric the Bric looks like the real deal, btw. Very quick and runs very low to the ground. Good. He has major skills. I cant wait to see some preseason action from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Big thing-we have a real OC. He'll change things week to week, look to take advantage of mismatches and adjust accordingly. Hackett ran his plays in his offense no matter what, score and clock be damned. And if this or that doesn't work, things will get changed on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 At the scrimmage on Sat is was great to see Chad in shotgun formation for certain plays and we even did a shovel pass- with Dinger the offense will so much more varied and imaginative-that alone has me excoted for the season to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Our running game will suffer. Our O-line is now 30lbs. lighter at tackle. There's also no decent depth beyond Johnathan Goodwin. At Tackle, an already questionable position, there is no backup whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The running game. While anyone here will tell you how much of a Martin fan I am (Savage calls me a Martinette lol) I really feel that this is the one area that may possibly kill us this year. Most RB's don't fade away over time, they die instantly. It is an inevitable part of the RB position. Nobody expects it to happen to Martin this season and I certainly expect great things from him, but if it does happen this season my greatest fear is the fact that Herm will likely persist on him playing. Especially with the fact that he could extend his streak of 1000 yard seasons. Some will say our season goes as Chad goes. I say mularkey to that. We probably have the best NFL backup QB in the league and quite frankly I don't feel the quality of play drops all that much from Pennington to Fiedler. Don't forget the guy won a ton of games for MIA. Anyway this team is going to live or die based on the performance of Curtis Martin. As much as I love him, that scares me a little. Good points Booz. I think what is lost on the Jets fandom is that martin's year was more an abberation then a norm for him. Not to many 10 year backs set a career high in yards (by nearly 200) and YPC. What if Martin averages 20 carries a game and his career YPC (4.1)? I know Blaylock will make up the difference right? Herm has never turned the keys over to a younger player until the last possible moment. VT despite average seasons at best kept Chad on the bench. Until the Run D just totally crapped the bed, the old vets were kept around. If you think Dinger is going to divide the carries go look at Eddie's last few years with Dinger. He rode him into the ground. Blaylock is not the answer. And maybe the Jets' FO learned from the Lamont fiasco by plucking a late round RB with potential to groom to be Martin's replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 For what it's worth, the Jets got zero movement in the ground game versus the Giants in practice. Curtis Martin also didn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 It helps when you have nearly 380 carries. It also helps to average 4.6 yards per carry. Which is even more impressive considering the number of carries he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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