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A couple things I learned in this week's preseason games.


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None of this is Patriots related so you can retract your claws now biotches.

1. Lamont Jordan is going to be a stud. I never thought much of him before, all I saw was a big back who fumbled at really bad times and wore down easily. I watched him this weekend against the Niners and WOW!! That dude was decimating anyone that so much as tried laying a finger on him. He finished about every run by putting at least one defender on his ass. The Raiders landed themselves a star in the making and it was a mistake for the Jets to NOT trade him to the Raiders back when there was supposedly and offer on the table for him.

2. Seneca Wallace will be a starting qb before it's all said and done. Being a Husker fan, I'm familiar with all the players from the Big 12 and I just never was impressed with this kid. He whipped up on us once or twice but who didn't? I just viewed him as another Eric Crouch type who could run all day long but wasn't even an average passer. I watched that kid pick apart the Saints with both his arm and feet. He was making throws on the run and hitting his receivers in stride. Very impressive arm strenght and the fact that he's only 5'11" didn't seem to hinder him at all. From what I saw, Wallace could screw around and unseat Hasselbeck but that will never happen with that idiot Holmgren running the show. This will be Ahman Green part deu. He'll be lighting it up for another team and Holmgren will be standing there with a low round pick and a player that will be out of the league within a week in return.

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I agree on both points from what I've seen so far. I still think with Jordan's running style he must prove he can stay healthy though. Herm did make a big mistake not running Jordan more in the playoffs last year.

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Anybody know what that supposed offer was?

Interesting Lamont is only NOW a talent in some eyes.

Seems like yesterday when Jet fans were told he wasn't worth a 2nd rd pick.

I missed the game but see he had 4 carries for 12 yards.

I was one of them that said he wasn't worth that, I also have the balls to admit when I'm wrong. However, I could have made a much better assessment if your numbskull coach didn't have a sexual infatuation with Curtis Martin.

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I was one of them that said he wasn't worth that, I also have the balls to admit when I'm wrong. However, I could have made a much better assessment if your numbskull coach didn't have a sexual infatuation with Curtis Martin.

Don't blame Herm... he just couldn't help himself.

Seneca Wallace, the starter in Seattle? That's an intresting thought. I didn't get to see any of Seattle's play, but I don't think he'll get the spot, because of Hasselbeck's huge contract. Didn't he sign a QB franchise tender? But, like you said, it won't be the first time Holmgren f*cked up.

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I was one of them that said he wasn't worth that, I also have the balls to admit when I'm wrong. However, I could have made a much better assessment if your numbskull coach didn't have a sexual infatuation with Curtis Martin.

You always are a straight shooter Alk.

Herm claimed on a interview with Mike and The Dog that we tried to trade him for Jolley last off season and got turned down.

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None of this is Patriots related so you can retract your claws now biotches.

1. Lamont Jordan is going to be a stud. I never thought much of him before, all I saw was a big back who fumbled at really bad times and wore down easily. I watched him this weekend against the Niners and WOW!! That dude was decimating anyone that so much as tried laying a finger on him. He finished about every run by putting at least one defender on his a$$. The Raiders landed themselves a star in the making and it was a mistake for the Jets to NOT trade him to the Raiders back when there was supposedly and offer on the table for him.

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Damn.

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Yeah, that was one sweet a$$ catch. Actually some of his better runs came after his receptions. Seemed like he was punishing people every time he touched the ball.

Jordan with a chip on his shoulder should be entertaining to watch this year. The guys a beast to begin with, but with Moss and Porter on either side of him (and Ron Curry in the slot), he's gonna have a lot of room to run.

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It's not gonna be fun playing the Raiders for most defensive ends and outside LBs. The DBs will all be doubling the WRs, you get sideshow freak/future WWE attraction Gallery pushing you around and then Lamont running like a bull at you. Damn shame their defense sucks. Still, the Chargers aren't so special, the Chiefs defense is still worse and the Broncos inexplicable importation of the Browns sucky DL makes the AFCW a good shot for the raiders(heck, one of'em has to win it!), but not much more if they get to the postseason. At long last though, the Jets get the Raiders in the Meadowlands.

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You mean when cornerback Ahmed Plummer planted LaMont Jordan with a 1 on 1 stop on the open field at the line of scrimmage on a sweep for no gain??

Running against the 49ers defense would make any back look really good, puhleeze. Not saying LaMont wont be good in oakland, but 1 preseason game against the 9ers defense with a 3 YPC mark wouldnt exactly put me on cloud nine if I was a raiders fan.

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You mean when cornerback Ahmed Plummer planted LaMont Jordan with a 1 on 1 stop on the open field at the line of scrimmage on a sweep for no gain??

Running against the 49ers defense would make any back look really good, puhleeze. Not saying LaMont wont be good in oakland, but 1 preseason game against the 9ers defense with a 3 YPC mark wouldnt exactly put me on cloud nine if I was a raiders fan.

You're obviously in the group of disgruntled fans who claim no player is good once he leaves the Jets. Especially when he leaves to better his career. I would hardly call Plummers tackle a "plant". But it was a good stop. The Niners defense may not be all that great but you can tell alot just by how a guy runs. The guy only ran for 3 yds. per carry but there was more to it. You can be stat boy, I actually witnessed it. When he got in the open field on those short dump passes, he was an absolute wrecking ball.

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You're obviously in the group of disgruntled fans who claim no player is good once he leaves the Jets. Especially when he leaves to better his career. I would hardly call Plummers tackle a "plant". But it was a good stop. The Niners defense may not be all that great but you can tell alot just by how a guy runs. The guy only ran for 3 yds. per carry but there was more to it. You can be stat boy, I actually witnessed it. When he got in the open field on those short dump passes, he was an absolute wrecking ball.

Maybe he is just being realistic.

I think Lamont is a good runner and has shown gimmers of real dominance, but that does not mean he will become the rushing leader of the AFC and score 20 TDs just because he is in Oakland and starting.

He had 4 carries for 12 yards against one of the worst Ds and in pre-season. Not really time to make your I told you so argument. How about we wait till week 10 or so and see what type of numbers he has been putting up.

BZ

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Maybe he is just being realistic.

I think Lamont is a good runner and has shown gimmers of real dominance, but that does not mean he will become the rushing leader of the AFC and score 20 TDs just because he is in Oakland and starting.

He had 4 carries for 12 yards against one of the worst Ds and in pre-season. Not really time to make your I told you so argument. How about we wait till week 10 or so and see what type of numbers he has been putting up.

BZ

I never claimed he would be the rushing champion. And like I already said, you can't judge this by stats. Isn't that what you guys always preach? The guy looked good plain and simple. Especially on all those short passes.

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I never claimed he would be the rushing champion. And like I already said, you can't judge this by stats. Isn't that what you guys always preach? The guy looked good plain and simple. Especially on all those short passes.

I for one never argued that he was good. I do believe he is a good runner. I just need to see more of him starting game in and game out for 8 or so games before I am willing to say that we lost as much as half the fans think we did.

Basically, is he a good runner and great backup or did we just trade away a pro-bowl difference maker?

BZ

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First of all, I saw the first quarter of the game, it was on nfl network. He had a good run, whoopie.

I like LaMont, but he has never proven he can be a starter in this league. A few decent runs against the 9ers in preseason doesnt mean jack sh**

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You always are a straight shooter Alk.

Herm claimed on a interview with Mike and The Dog that we tried to trade him for Jolley last off season and got turned down.

Before the 03 Season the Raiders offered a 3rd

for Jordan! The Jets turned it down! That is why

I was pissed that the Jets didn't showcase Jordan

with the Jets out of the playoffs in 03! Had they

done that maybe at the start of 04 the Raiders

would have offered the Jets a 2nd rd pick!

But no..It was more important to help Cumar pad his stats!

Going into Dec 03 Martin had just over 800 yds and

no TD's! Not getting any TD's or over

1000 yds would have been devasting to the Martinette's

and huge suicides would have resulted all over the

Tri-state area! So in Dec Martin got 125 carries and

Jordan 1!!And one wonders why Jordan came to camp in

04 pissed off?? Smart move by the Jets losing LJ for

nothing!!DUH Herm was heard to utter.. :mrgreen:

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Before the 03 Season the Raiders offered a 3rd

for Jordan! The Jets turned it down! That is why

I was pissed that the Jets didn't showcase Jordan

with the Jets out of the playoffs in 03! Had they

done that maybe at the start of 04 the Raiders

would have offered the Jets a 2nd rd pick!

But no..It was more important to help Cumar pad his stats!

Going into Dec 03 Martin had just over 800 yds and

no TD's! Not getting any TD's or over

1000 yds would have been devasting to the Martinette's

and huge suicides would have resulted all over the

Tri-state area! So in Dec Martin got 125 carries and

Jordan 1!!And one wonders why Jordan came to camp in

04 pissed off?? Smart move by the Jets losing LJ for

nothing!!DUH Herm was heard to utter.. :mrgreen:

:roll::roll::roll:

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Hey Scottie!! We agree! Now lets keep it going in

our Reality trip!! Who was a more Talented back..Martin or Bo?? #-o

Forget comparing Martin to Jackson-I don't think there was EVER a more talented ATHLETE than Bo Jackson.

He ran what. a sub 4.2 40 ? With that body? And to think he never even lifted at Auburn.

To compare Lamont Jordan, let alone Curtis Martin to Bo Jackson, even in saying that he "reminds" someone of Jackson is insane.

Too bad about the injuries with Bo.

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Smart move by the Jets losing LJ for

nothing!!DUH Herm was heard to utter.. :mrgreen:

The JETS needed Lamont last year - remember the last offensive play of the game at San Diego it was a Lamont Jordan rumble into FG territory - even if the Jets only used LJ for that 1 play all year long he was worth holding on to for that 1 play rather than take the 3rd round pick.

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The JETS needed Lamont last year - remember the last offensive play of the game at San Diego it was a Lamont Jordan rumble into FG territory - even if the Jets only used LJ for that 1 play all year long he was worth holding on to for that 1 play rather than take the 3rd round pick.

Right-You can't fault a FO for holding onto a player, even if it is for a back-up only.

If they had gone ahead and traded Lamont last year, and then saw Marting get hurt, guess who would have been second guessed.

Yes, it would have been nice to see Lamont nurtured more in the organization, and it would have been nice to keep him, but the Jets did get ehat they needed from him.

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Forget comparing Martin to Jackson-I don't think there was EVER a more talented ATHLETE than Bo Jackson.

He ran what. a sub 4.2 40 ? With that body? And to think he never even lifted at Auburn.

To compare Lamont Jordan, let alone Curtis Martin to Bo Jackson, even in saying that he "reminds" someone of Jackson is insane.

Too bad about the injuries with Bo.

Soooo...I take that as a Bo had more Talent?

Not to the Martinette's on the JI Board!!And

even Young Gerbil Fan said Martin was better

because he lasted longer!! :mrgreen:

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Way to take my post and run with it Scott.

Nowhere did I say Lamont will be Bo Jackson.

All I mean was that Bo and Lamont looke similar in the Raider uniform. Similar body frames and such.

Will Lamont be successful? Only time will tell.

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The JETS needed Lamont last year - remember the last offensive play of the game at San Diego it was a Lamont Jordan rumble into FG territory - even if the Jets only used LJ for that 1 play all year long he was worth holding on to for that 1 play rather than take the 3rd round pick.

Isn't Hindsight Great!! 2 things..If he was that

Great on that 1 play is it not reasonable to assume

that had he had more carries he may have had other

"Rumbles in the Jungle" as well!And maybe Martin may

have been better rested come playoff time to do a

little Rumbling of his own?? Death comes to us all..

If only Logic did!! :roll:

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The JETS needed Lamont last year - remember the last offensive play of the game at San Diego it was a Lamont Jordan rumble into FG territory - even if the Jets only used LJ for that 1 play all year long he was worth holding on to for that 1 play rather than take the 3rd round pick.

Exactly.

People also forget about the runs he had late in the Cleveland game that bailed our asses out.

The fact with Lamont is simple. You can only keep so many players and be fiscally responsible. Living here in Miami, I heard people talk all the time about Jordan, about how talented he is and how difficult it would've been to re sign him.

Trade him away last year, and we lose to Cleveland and miss the playoffs.

Resign him and we miss out on Law, and more than likely lose Abe.

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Soooo...I take that as a Bo had more Talent?

Not to the Martinette's on the JI Board!!And

even Young Gerbil Fan said Martin was better

because he lasted longer!! :mrgreen:

Sav-You can safely assume that when I made the statement that "Bo was more talented than any ATHLETE" , that Martin was included in that list :mrgreen:

Now, I I had the magic of hindsight, and you told me that I could choose between Jackson and choose between Martin, and I would know exactly how there careers would wind up (again, the magic of hindsight) anyone in their right mind would pick Martin first. That is a no brainer.

Without magical hindsight, I pick Jacksoon and laugh.

But that is why hindsight is so valuable, I guess

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Sav-You can safely assume that when I made the statement that "Bo was more talented than any ATHLETE" , that Martin was included in that list :mrgreen:

Now, I I had the magic of hindsight, and you told me that I could choose between Jackson and choose between Martin, and I would know exactly how there careers would wind up (again, the magic of hindsight) anyone in their right mind would pick Martin first. That is a no brainer.

Without magical hindsight, I pick Jacksoon and laugh.

But that is why hindsight is so valuable, I guess

My Bad if I wasn't precise enough..The question was

who was the MOST TALENTED BACK not ATHLETE,although

that was true also!! And I wasn't saying anything

about Longevity either! The answer's I got were

similar to what is now being said about Jordan!

What did Bo ever do..He's never played 300+ carries

or 16 games etc..Martin is the Best!! Long Live Cumar

whose great to his Mommy etc... :roll:

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Bottom Line

LaMont Jordan flashed his greatness when he subbed in for a winded Martin in the 4th quarter when defenses were all but worn down.

I guarantee he wont come close to 5.2 YPC next season. He'll be a good back in oakland, but definetly not a top 5 running back. Not a chance.

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Exactly.

People also forget about the runs he had late in the Cleveland game that bailed our asses out.

The fact with Lamont is simple. You can only keep so many players and be fiscally responsible. Living here in Miami, I heard people talk all the time about Jordan, about how talented he is and how difficult it would've been to re sign him.

Trade him away last year, and we lose to Cleveland and miss the playoffs.

Resign him and we miss out on Law, and more than likely lose Abe.

All you Guys are blind as Bats!! How did it make

any sense to never give Jordan even 1 start when

Martin had 2 high ankle sprains?? Of course we

couldn't have signed Jordan! My Question has always

been why not use him when he was here?? You People

have the same way of thinking that has caused our

failure for the last 36 years!! NEVER use

a Player if it pisses off a Vet!! Unbelievable!! I've never

said sit Martin!! Only if a Healthy or rested player

could do better!! Why are some of you so afraid if

Jordan would have done well..Does that not help

the Team? :roll:

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All you Guys are blind as Bats!! How did it make

any sense to never give Jordan even 1 start when

Martin had 2 high ankle sprains?? Of course we

couldn't have signed Jordan! My Question has always

been why not use him when he was here??

Because Martin is Herms daddy! What Martin wants, he gets, bottom line. He wanted to go out there, maybe he was being selfish, who knows? But the fact is if Martin said he is ready to go and you are paying him all that money, Herms hands are really tied. It would be a sticky situation for Herm if he didnt allow Martin to play when Martin wanted to and said he could.

It wasnt like the doctors werent clearing Martin to play with the ankle sprains, he was never ruled out of the game by doctors. Herm had really no choice but to stick with Martin. Sometimes I think Martin is alittle selfish the way he always wants the ball, but thats what winners are, they always want the ball, thats the way it is.

But I understand what you're saying, savage.

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