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Game Recap:

I stayed at the Meadowlands till the end of the second half and it was a pretty solid showing by the Jets. Although, the first two offensive series were dismal. Two 3 and outs to begin the game. It wasn't until the second quarter with 8 minutes left that the O was able to get back onto the field and put together a scoring drive.

The first scoring drive in particular reeked of the vintage pennington to coles combo. Pennington looked strong in the pocket and seems to be getting his legs more involved while passing as opposed to depending solely on his arm strength (or lack there of).

Hemierdinger uses Coles perfectly, his routes over the middle suit his style of play perfectly in between the 20s for possession and in the red zone crisscrossing the back of the end zone. Man, seeing Coles out there really makes you realize what a god damn pussy Santana was.

The bomb to Mcarriens complete or incomplete allowed the crowd to let out a deep sigh of relief. Chads shoulder is fine and yes, contrary to the analysts and haters out there, he has enough strength to be productive in the Heimerdinger vertical passing attack. Mccariens was wide open and chad over threw him by a foot, with increased practice reps and a fine tuning of the offense Mcarriens will be hauling in some deep balls this year.

Seemed to be the Coles show tonight, but I would've liked to see Jolley get a little more action.

Vilma is a monster, man is he fast. Had it not been for a Stupid Viking penalty he would've had a posterized sack on Culpepper.

Celestin was really knocking people out there today, in particular a hit on Michael bennet, I think? but I also saw as I got home Rhodes got another INT. It's a toss up right now but in my opinion Celestin should start right away, and Rhodes should be groomed in slowly.

Speaking of penalties...Tice must be chewing on scrap metal right now. Something like 9 with the first team Vikings unit...WOW.

Bottom line is that even though the Vikings O was able to march down the field at some points it was no where near as ugly as the final game of the season against the Rams last year. Culpepper is a top rated passer and yes, he will even kill the best of defenses with his freak like ability. The Jets defense contained him the best he could, but the addition of a true pass rusher (cough cough, abe) would have made Culpeppers time in the pocket a lot less sustained and calm. Law would've also helped the D and in the perfect world would be there to intercept the rushed passes due to a charging front 7.

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Yeah, did they even checkdown on Jolley or Baker? I was waiting to see them get a pass their way, oh well...

Yes, Celestin was really putting toegether some mean hits tonight. Each time he hit a guy it was a thunderous pop, very loud. Although, where was he when Strait got burned for a long pass by (marcus robinson was it???), he was alittle late in getting there, but maybe he had responsibilty eleswhere I dont know.....

Blaylock is quick, very very quick

Houston is the most complete back on the roster

Coles is money

JMac was JMac, Mr. 3rd down conversion

Cotchery needs to play more, should be the #3 WR

Good to see Sherbert catch a td pass :lol:

Brooks Bollinger is not the name of a good football player

Justin Miller will break more than a few long runs on kickoffs this season

Where was Tim McGill? Did he even dress for tonights game? I didnt see him out there.....

Vilma, sometimes, is just too fast :lol:

David Barrett gives way too much cushion sometimes. I could get off a 5 yard pass against him the way he plays off the WR sometimes......Hey David "The 5 Yard Rule", doesnt mean you have to be 5 yards away from the wide reciever when he catches the pass #-o

Adrian Jones is solid as a rock. Better pass blocker than McKenzie. Maybe our left tackle in a year or 2.

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Jolley had a nice slobberknocking crack back block on EJ Henderson on a Chad scramble.

MCgill was out there and had a QB hurry. I would like to see him rotate in earlier, against better OL but overall i don't know that he makes this team.

Man does Chas Gessner suck or what?

also should be taken off of second team is Jason Nyres. He was awful. - the chop block penalty he just had a bad game.

Mike King, Issac Snell were working with the third teamers have more mobility and aggression than Nyres and should be given looks against better competition. Both look like PS candidates.

If the Jets really had to play Goodwin at guard it would affect the offense. Despite his experience, he's barely servicable as a guard, and has always looked better as a center to me.

Fiedler is like a second starter. Should the unthinkable happen to the golden boy they wouldn't be absolutely screwed, which at the least distinguishes this team from 1999's version, the last super bowl hype year.

Bollinger is the quintessential last man standing. So much moxie, so little NFL talent. A great guy to have at the Alamo but I hope the 3rd QB isn't on the roster yet.

speaking of bad games Ethan Brooks looked like sh*te giving up on a sack to the Vikes. Note that he's playing guard while Cavka's playing LT. He looked like he had a pantsload full of cream of wheat out there. While I am a big fan of the small school sleeper I can't trust a guy who came out of Div III NESCAC. I just can't. It's possibly the worst college football in America.

OT #77 Cavka had a very solid night on the outside. Mobile agile and bigger than last season. It would not shock me to see him play actual snaps by season's end.

P Ben Graham's punts were deep, accurate and sometimes uncatchable. The fumble recovery was due to the nose of the punt spiral actually dipping beyond perpendicular and back toward the punter... it's a hooking and unnatural motion for a punt returner, also he did the helicopter toward the sidelines out of bounds twice - could be a SERIOUS weapon if he can pull these tricks with any regularity.

great sack by Darrion Williams. This is a guy that could stand out as a PS guy.

Celestin has great heart but doesn't strike me as an impact player and a bit of a liability in coverage. Rhodes can be an impact player and is a natural athlete. Covers alot of ground. It is good to have a player like #45 to run ST and sub in case of injury - but the starting safety should be #25.

Brandon Haw got Brandon Bitched by Troy Williamson 2x. Not good.

Mark Brown at MLB - this was his natural position at Auburn and he looks comfortable there calling the plays and making tackles. Great depth at LB with Gardner #53. Wright #52 and Myers #58 will battle for the last spot.

#81 McCareins will be a solid PR if Miller doesn't lose his fumbleitis. Justin #22 did have a decent night of coverage.

also for the Vikes, DT CJ Mosely was working with the Min second team - not too bad for a UDFA - didn't look all that bad but again might be a PS candidate on that squad.

#70 Legree showed good activity. #91 Pouha has good athleticism and motor but his field awareness isn't up to snuff quite yet.

#51 Vilma single arm tackling Culpepper - shows he has gotten stronger since 05.

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Bit, you think Dennis Haley has an edge over Ryan Myers?

If CJ Mosely hits the practice squad we should pick him up! Far more talent than Alan Harper or Lance Legree. Mosley definetly screwed up not returning for 1 more season in college ball. ouch

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Just got back from the game... yes, 1:30 AM... these are my observations from this evening's contest, Peter King style...

1. Chad Pennington- What a performance on that third drive. Really showed everyone that his shoulder is coming along just fine. Furthermore, with his BOY Lav back, it seems as if he's died and gone to heaven. Also, WELCOME BACK LAVERANUES COLES!

2. Jerricho Cotchery made 2 stellar catches, and 1 nice run after the catch,

however

3. Wayne Chrebet looked like young Wayne Chrebet on his second quarter touchdown. Had my eye on him the whole play-- very crisp route, and a pair of the surest hands on the field.

4. Jay Fiedler may be the best backup quarterback aside from Jeff Garcia in the NFL

5. Ben Graham didn't impress me tonight as much as last week.. had that hellish punt that caused a fumble, but also kicked one that had to be 35-40 yards to the 22. All of Micah Knorr's punts looked pretty solid. This contest is not Graham's in a runaway by any stretch.

6. Aside from that one play where he got torched for a 40 yarder, Derrick Strait looked solid tonight.

7. Brooks Bollinger is awful. I'm sorry Brooks. I wanted to believe in you. Partly to spite Tom Shane, partly because you're a nice guy. But man... that was awful.

8. Adrian Jones played the whole game, and in the fourth when it was ugly as hell, I found myself watching him more and more. Jones had a solid night on the right side.

9. I think Chas Gessner lost his spot on the PRACTICE SQUAD tonight. Talk about suicidal playing...

10. I think Decori Birmingham won himself at least a LOOK for the practice squad. What a set of moves that guy has.

11. I'm hearing Bryan Thomas' name called more and more and more... you better get back here Mr. Abraham.

12. Kerry Rhodes, IMO, looked lost again. And came up with another INT to show for his being lost...

13. Toward the end of the 4th we were sitting about 4th row near the endzone when Ty Law walked off the field. Everyone recognized him and gave him a hand, and he acknowledged all the fans calling his name. It was a good sight.

Well, that's my recap. I leave for school early tomorrow morning so I'll be without a comp for a few days. Hope everyone does well! See you soon

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Game Recap:

Hemierdinger uses Coles perfectly, his routes over the middle suit his style of play perfectly in between the 20s for possession and in the red zone crisscrossing the back of the end zone. Man, seeing Coles out there really makes you realize what a god damn pu$$y Santana was.

Pennington and Coles carved us up when we played there in 2002, and they are still doing it. Nice drive and touchdown to Coles. That duo is going to produce for you guys for a long time to come.

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Speaking of penalties...Tice must be chewing on scrap metal right now. Something like 9 with the first team Vikings unit...WOW.

Yeah, that was some very sloppy football. You don't go on the road, turn the ball over, committ that many penalties and expect to win. Pre-season though, and hopefully they will work it out. Tice will ream some people this week.

But kudos to the Jets. After what I thought was a slow start, they cranked up the passing game and looked really sharp. Pennington and the first team offense established themselves, and the defense shut down our run all night.

Another highlight was that there were no serious injuries to either team. Good game Jets fans and good luck this season. You should do well.

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Yeah, that was some very sloppy football. You don't go on the road, turn the ball over, committ that many penalties and expect to win. Pre-season though, and hopefully they will work it out. Tice will ream some people this week.

But kudos to the Jets. After what I thought was a slow start, they cranked up the passing game and looked really sharp. Pennington and the first team offense established themselves, and the defense shut down our run all night.

Another highlight was that there were no serious injuries to either team. Good game Jets fans and good luck this season. You should do well.

Thanks for the comments on the Jets and class you showed- Good luck to Vikes I still think Tice and Cotrell combo will be your downfall though

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Houston is the most complete back on the roster

Please explain. Because that is a BIG statement. Specifically list what he does better than Martin and Blaylock. This one needs to be saved for the archives.

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Please explain. Because that is a BIG statement. Specifically list what he does better than Martin and Blaylock. This one needs to be saved for the archives.

Blaylock : Great speed, not much of a power back. Quick darting moves to juke out any would be tacklers.

Martin : Good speed, not great, not much of a power back, but a slasher. Decent moves at best in the open field.

Houston : Above average speed, better burst than Martin. Not as fast as Blaylock, but runs with more power. Biggest back on the roster. Is suddenly quick when accelerating past the 2nd level and into the secondary.

Houston = Most Complete Back on the Roster

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Please explain. Because that is a BIG statement. Specifically list what he does better than Martin and Blaylock. This one needs to be saved for the archives.

I agree Maxie!! I mean what was Houstons 26 yds

and a TD on 6 carries compared to Martins 6 yds

on 4 carries!! Go Cumar!! :mrgreen:

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great thread, good observations by all. Vikings were a little sloppy but showed great potential as an explosive offense. duante is a class guy & they will not miss a step without moss. actually as they stated might be better off without the moss ratio. I heard on leno ricky williams wants to be traded to the raiders :lol:

glad for no injuries & chad looked pretty good. whats up with our 1st team running game? unlike our d we cannot hope for 2 stars to come in & help.

what we saw was the real deal.not good but credit the williams duo to some degree.

good game indeed

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I talked to some Vikings fans about CJ Mosley and 2 people told me that he hasnt done much and has no chance to make the final DT spot on the roster over steve martin and he will be put on practice squad.

If Mosley does get put on the PS, Bradway should pick him up! Mosley is 21 years old if I remember correctly. He is around 310 or so I believe and ran a very good 40 time righ around a 5.00 I think. I saw some videos of him and he has alot of potential as a pass rusher, and with his good size he can be a force against the run or at least a non-liability in our stud-packed Dline.

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Caught the first half and I thought your offense, D-line and line-backing corps and QB play looked fanatstic. The only chink in the in teh Jets armour would be the secondary - but the addition of a healthy Law should help that immensly. The AFC East should be a fun, fun dog-fight.

Here's to health! Cheers.

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Blaylock : Great speed, not much of a power back. Quick darting moves to juke out any would be tacklers.

Martin : Good speed, not great, not much of a power back, but a slasher. Decent moves at best in the open field.

Houston : Above average speed, better burst than Martin. Not as fast as Blaylock, but runs with more power. Biggest back on the roster. Is suddenly quick when accelerating past the 2nd level and into the secondary.

Houston = Most Complete Back on the Roster

I agree EB..I'd like to see Houston get some time

against the first Team D! With Hackett gone maybe

his Love Bunny won't be the only back to get some

carries!! :wink:

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I agree Maxie!! I mean what was Houstons 26 yds

and a TD on 6 carries compared to Martins 6 yds

on 4 carries!! Go Cumar!! :mrgreen:

Of course Houston was playing the 3rd-team defense and Martin was playing the 1st-team defense, but that's irrelevant right? Because it doesn't fit into your anti-Martin agenda?

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Of course Houston was playing the 3rd-team defense and Martin was playing the 1st-team defense, but that's irrelevant right? Because it doesn't fit into your anti-Martin agenda?

The Vikes 1st string was 28th against the Run

last year!! You know the one led by Fat Teddy??

If you thought Martin did fine with 6 yds on

4 carries who has the "Factual Agenda" as you

put it?? Me or you?? :roll:

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Bit, you think Dennis Haley has an edge over Ryan Myers?

If CJ Mosely hits the practice squad we should pick him up! Far more talent than Alan Harper or Lance Legree. Mosley definetly screwed up not returning for 1 more season in college ball. ouch

Haley is still a dark horse for that spot - but i think Myers has alot of intangibles the staff is looking for.

Mosely has potential but im not sure if he's ready for prime time... or even represents an upgrade over Legree or Mcgill Practice squad might be the perfect place for that dude.

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The Vikes 1st string was 28th against the Run

last year!! You know the one led by Fat Teddy??

If you thought Martin did fine with 6 yds on

4 carries who has the "Factual Agenda" as you

put it?? Me or you?? :roll:

I never said Martin did fine last night, but then again it's a preseason game and I honestly don't give a sh!t. The Vikings defense also has Pat Williams, Sam Cowart, and Napoleon Harris to help them out last year. The fact that you even care about how Martin did last night just shows how pathetic you really are.

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Blaylock : Great speed, not much of a power back. Quick darting moves to juke out any would be tacklers.

Martin : Good speed, not great, not much of a power back, but a slasher. Decent moves at best in the open field.

Houston : Above average speed, better burst than Martin. Not as fast as Blaylock, but runs with more power. Biggest back on the roster. Is suddenly quick when accelerating past the 2nd level and into the secondary.

Houston = Most Complete Back on the Roster

Blocking is not a factor for backs anymore? Ability to pick up a blitz? Hands?

Calling Houston the most complete back is a reach man. He has Blaylock who is decent ahead of him and a Hall Of Famer as well.

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I never said Martin did fine last night, but then again it's a preseason game and I honestly don't give a sh!t. The Vikings defense also has Pat Williams, Sam Cowart, and Napoleon Harris to help them out last year. The fact that you even care about how Martin did last night just shows how pathetic you really are.

Pathetic is how you feel you have to defend Martin

even in a pre season Game! I could care less about

preseason but it's always fun to tweak a Martinette!

Why not tell me your favorite Martin playoff TD

runs of this Century?? Oh wait..There are none!! :mrgreen:

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Blocking is not a factor for backs anymore? Ability to pick up a blitz? Hands?

Calling Houston the most complete back is a reach man. He has Blaylock who is decent ahead of him and a Hall Of Famer as well.

Cedric Houston is a good passblocker. Better than Blaylock in that aspect from what I have already seen from him. Houston had a few rookie dropsies last week, but otherwise he is a dependable reciever out of the backfield.

When I said Houston is the most complete back, I didnt say he was the best. Definetly he is not. He has his flaws, but most of them can be corrected like handling the ball correctly and their is not a better teacher he can learn from in Curtis Martin.

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Pathetic is how you feel you have to defend Martin even in a pre season Game! I could care less about preseason but it's always fun to tweak a Martinette! Why not tell me your favorite Martin playoff TD runs of this Century?? Oh wait..There are none!! :mrgreen:

I am not defending Martin. I simply said that "Houston is the most complete back on the roster" is a big statement.

EB has clarified his remarks and not says that he doesn't mean Houston is the best back on the roster. That is originally what I took his comments to mean.

Oh and nighty night! :P

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McGill is #95 right?

I watched the 4th quarter, or part of it, this morning and #95 (McGill) is easily bigger than Pouha by a wide margin. McGill was just bulldozing his way and collapsing the pocket very very well. The sack by Joey Evans was partly caused by McGills pocket collapse.

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Thought they took the 3rd quarter to throw the ball to Gessner to see if he's a player-and he's not.

Pennington looked fine-so did Fiedler. Still, any chance of Eakin getting the 3 spot over Bollinger? Because screw the pedigrees, Eakin looked better, which isn't saying much. Still, as per Simms, Eakin was solid in NFL/Europe.

Still think Graham has run away and hid the punter job. So he has a few shaky punts to Knorr's below-average punts. His punt caused a fumble for godsakes.

Somewhere between #94 the Ungrateful Dog and Law this passs defense has to be better.Pass rush seemed from hunger and allowed Culpepper to pass practically at will. Henderson knows what he's doing. Still, every 3rd down was an adventure.

Were there any plays in the 2nd half which did not prompt a penaly flag?

That moron with the dreadlocks who roughed up the Vikes' kicker has turned in his playbook and is on the Meadowbrook back to Palookaville as I type this.You see some dumb penalties over the course of the season, but that was brain-numbingly really stupid.

All things considered-we know we have a solid offense. We have a great DC; he's not putting his cards to film in the preseason; the defense is still missing parts which figure to be here shortly. I'm still cautiously optimistic.

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Cedric Houston is a good passblocker. Better than Blaylock in that aspect from what I have already seen from him. Houston had a few rookie dropsies last week, but otherwise he is a dependable reciever out of the backfield.

When I said Houston is the most complete back, I didnt say he was the best. Definetly he is not. He has his flaws, but most of them can be corrected like handling the ball correctly and their is not a better teacher he can learn from in Curtis Martin.

Personally....Untill I see Cedric do something on the field....I think we should hold off on his Canton enshrinement .

You did good by calling this guys name before we picked him...now it's played out with the Houston love parade thats been going on.

Never in my life has a 3rd string RB got so much love for doing nothing at all.

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Personally....Untill I see Cedric do something on the field....I think we should hold off on his Canton enshrinement .

You did good by calling this guys name before we picked him...now it's played out with the Houston love parade thats been going on.

Never in my life has a 3rd string RB got so much love for doing nothing at all.

I agree.

I was calling his name and praising him well before anybody I knew of. Then as soon as we drafted him everybody was then saying how great he is and how much of a steal he will be. Alot of homers.

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