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All these spaghetti armed .. happy feet ... no heart QB's get exposed by Belichick every time.

With Pennington he took all the underneath stuff away and made em throw over the top down the middle and to the sidelines exposing his weak arm (Pats have picked em 6 times the last 2 games I believe).

The guy does have a valid point. Chad looks nervous for whatever reason when he plays the Pats and other top defenses. He does get happy feet, and when the underneath stuff is taken away he ends up making mistakes.

Chad really needs to shed this if we want to get past NE this year. Hopefully Dinger can shake it out.

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Chad made a comment that his arm hasn't felt right for 2 years - based on the work DR Andrews did when he got in there that's not an inaccurate statement. My point is that Chad's arm has probably been hurting him alot longer than we all realize, and this year with an improved wing we will see a different Chad. The Chad that beat the Pats on the road week 15 in 2002? Let's hope.

One thing is for certain Chad doesn't have a weak arm. Weak armed QB's don't fool the entire league into thinking they are first round picks. A QB doesn't get taken in the first round by anyone unless he can make every throw on the field. Anything less relegates the player into the second day territory of players like Ken Dorsey.

also one last thing Chad doesn't have happy feet and he has a huge heart. Anyone who can throw a 45 yard TD with a torn rotator cuff and a frayed labrum has heart for days.

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Chad made a comment that his arm hasn't felt right for 2 years - based on the work DR Andrews did when he got in there that's not an inaccurate statement. My point is that Chad's arm has probably been hurting him alot longer than we all realize, and this year with an improved wing we will see a different Chad. The Chad that beat the Pats on the road week 15 in 2002? Let's hope.

One thing is for certain Chad doesn't have a weak arm. Weak armed QB's don't fool the entire league into thinking they are first round picks. A QB doesn't get taken in the first round by anyone unless he can make every throw on the field. Anything less relegates the player into the second day territory of players like Ken Dorsey.

also one last thing Chad doesn't have happy feet and he has a huge heart. Anyone who can throw a 45 yard TD with a torn rotator cuff and a frayed labrum has heart for days.

That is the POST OF THE DAY.

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Chad made a comment that his arm hasn't felt right for 2 years - based on the work DR Andrews did when he got in there that's not an inaccurate statement. My point is that Chad's arm has probably been hurting him alot longer than we all realize, and this year with an improved wing we will see a different Chad. The Chad that beat the Pats on the road week 15 in 2002? Let's hope.

One thing is for certain Chad doesn't have a weak arm. Weak armed QB's don't fool the entire league into thinking they are first round picks. A QB doesn't get taken in the first round by anyone unless he can make every throw on the field. Anything less relegates the player into the second day territory of players like Ken Dorsey.

also one last thing Chad doesn't have happy feet and he has a huge heart. Anyone who can throw a 45 yard TD with a torn rotator cuff and a frayed labrum has heart for days.

Nice post.

Chad is on record stating the injury first occured in training camp 2001 and grew progressively worse.

The funny part was he stated he was trying to match Vinny in a distance contest in 2001 when he first felt the pain in the shoulder.

Point is, we may have seen nothing close to his true ability the past two seasons.

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Nice post.

Chad is on record stating the injury first occured in training camp 2001 and grew progressively worse.

The funny part was he stated he was trying to match Vinny in a distance contest in 2001 when he first felt the pain in the shoulder.

Point is, we may have seen nothing close to his true ability the past two seasons.

I agree Chad "Over trained" in the weight room

and had said his arm felt dead back then! He might

have done damage then that got worse as the seasons

went on! :wink:

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Chad made a comment that his arm hasn't felt right for 2 years - based on the work DR Andrews did when he got in there that's not an inaccurate statement. My point is that Chad's arm has probably been hurting him alot longer than we all realize, and this year with an improved wing we will see a different Chad. The Chad that beat the Pats on the road week 15 in 2002? Let's hope.

One thing is for certain Chad doesn't have a weak arm. Weak armed QB's don't fool the entire league into thinking they are first round picks. A QB doesn't get taken in the first round by anyone unless he can make every throw on the field. Anything less relegates the player into the second day territory of players like Ken Dorsey.

also one last thing Chad doesn't have happy feet and he has a huge heart. Anyone who can throw a 45 yard TD with a torn rotator cuff and a frayed labrum has heart for days.

Listening to all the TV experts, Chad is generally regarded as having a weak arm, in comparison to the other QBs in the league. They are not saying he should be in HS QBing, but on the grand scale of NFL Qbs, his arm is weak relatively speaking. What Jets' fan have trouble grasping, this does not preclude him hittting an ocassional long pass.

I have said the same thing that Matt did for the past two years. Good teams take his strength away (i.e. short to intermediate) and make him beat them deep. he has not shown any ability to do that consistently. Blame it on injuries or whatever floats your boat.

Brady experoiemncied the same thing. Until Chad gets better, he will beat the average to worse teams and struggle against the Patriots and Pittsburgh's of the world. Plain and simple.

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mr pfsikh, with all due respect, you make it sound like chad is the only q back in the league that plays better against poor defenses than good defenses.

regarding chad, I think a bad wing coupled with a playcaller who can't adjust his gameplan at any point during the game, does make it easier for the teams like the pats to easily defend our predictible offense.

I really do think our offense will fare much better against the good d's this year

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Finally, we have an OC who will call for the deep pass. IMO, Chads failures against the Pats the last 2 years is directly linked to Hackett.

Lets not forget, if JMac hadnt bobbled and dropped that ball in the endzone twice and instead catch it we would have been the last team to beat the pats at home (2002) as well as the most recent (2004). But JMac dropped it, oh well.

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mr pfsikh, with all due respect, you make it sound like chad is the only q back in the league that plays better against poor defenses than good defenses.

regarding chad, I think a bad wing coupled with a playcaller who can't adjust his gameplan at any point during the game, does make it easier for the teams like the pats to easily defend our predictible offense.

I really do think our offense will fare much better against the good d's this year

Pay no mind PFSIKH became a expert around 2001.

A healthy Chad should have more zip.

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mr pfsikh, with all due respect, you make it sound like chad is the only q back in the league that plays better against poor defenses than good defenses.

regarding chad, I think a bad wing coupled with a playcaller who can't adjust his gameplan at any point during the game, does make it easier for the teams like the pats to easily defend our predictible offense.

I really do think our offense will fare much better against the good d's this year

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I do not mean to say that at all.

I wish their was a site that broke down a players splits game by game. Seeing there is not, I will have to make my point off based on the yearly totals.

Since 2002, Chad's completion percentage from passes attempted Behind LOS and 1-10 yards vs 11-20 yards; there is a dramatic drop.

In 2002, it was not as pronounced as it has been the past two seasons. Maybe it is injury, maybe it is not. This season will let us know, because all the built in excuses are gone.

When defending Chad, teams have only had to defend 10 yards down the field. Why defend deeper when his effectiveness drops off? It is not like he completes it at the same rate, there is a drop off.

Brady went through the same exact thing. From 2001 to 2002, teams learned to defend him. They forced him to go deep and he struggled against the good teams. He realized this and worked on getting better the next offseason. Since 2003, his completion percentage has gone up and his mistakes have gone down. Teams have to respect him a little further down the field.

Only so much can be pinned on Hacket and Chad's shoulder. Chad needs to be more effective deep. 8 of his 9 INTs were on passes over 11 yards. That is not Hackett's fault. In Chad's "healthy season," all 6 of his picks were on passes over 11 yards. Once might be an abberation, twice or more is a trend.

Gimme - No, I was an expert long before that. :wink:

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I know you are pfsikh but you are wrong on Penny.

You chalk it up to defensive schemes and I will hope it was the shoulder.

We both know we haven't seen the same QB of 2002.

Coincidence we hear about a shoulder problem which originated in 01? Time will tell.

This year will be put up or shut up time for Chad.

Where will TX go if I am right?

I am not sure if he and 6ever can start up a message board as quick and as well as Tom and Max did.

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Kansas, my stat loving friend, here are some stats for you. 8)

I decided to pull up Pennington splits from last year and compare them to another QB splits from last year and at random I picked some guy named Tom Brady. :lol:

Brady threw the ball 469 x completing 285 (61%)

387 were for 20 or less, 261 complete (67%)

82 greater than 20, 24 complete (29%)

(just a rough average green gal, please don't take off points :P )

Pennington threw the ball 370 x completing 242 (65%)

326 were for 20 or less, 226 complete (69%)

44 greater than 20, 16 complete (36%)

Pretty eerily similar huh. Perhaps with a little work, Brady's efficiency on the 20 yards or greater throws can be as good as Chad's. =D>

Oh and 9 of Brady ints were 11 yards or greater, 6 were actually 10 or less. :lol:

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Chad is finally healthy after several years. He said his arm was bad since 2000, when he wrecked it by being overzealous and getting into a throwing contest with Vinny in training camp.

Ham made a good point about Chad possibly reaggravating it in 2002, against Oakland in the Playoffs.

Last year's hit against Buffalo sealed the deal.

In 2002, Oakland forced Penny to throw deep, and manhandled our "Smurfs". Becht was of no use and they were able to send the farm and without fear of being beaten deep.

The past two seasons, BB was able to force Chad to throw deep as well. He had some terrible int's in the middle of the field, and even hit Chrebet's feet on a fourth down.

This season gives me hope. Why? McCareins turned it on the final games last year and seemed to develop some chemistry with Pennington. He finally has a tight end in Jolley that can run and catch, and Coles returns. Cotchery also provides a nice sized target. I'm hoping these upgrades, and Dinger's O will improve Chad's accuracy in the middle of the field, and take advantage of the underneath routes. Chad has never had these weapons or an offense like this at the pro level.

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Listening to all the TV experts, Chad is generally regarded as having a weak arm, in comparison to the other QBs in the league. They are not saying he should be in HS QBing, but on the grand scale of NFL Qbs, his arm is weak relatively speaking. What Jets' fan have trouble grasping, this does not preclude him hittting an ocassional long pass.

I have said the same thing that Matt did for the past two years. Good teams take his strength away (i.e. short to intermediate) and make him beat them deep. he has not shown any ability to do that consistently. Blame it on injuries or whatever floats your boat.

Brady experoiemncied the same thing. Until Chad gets better, he will beat the average to worse teams and struggle against the Patriots and Pittsburgh's of the world. Plain and simple.

Rubbish. If a mere tactic was all it took to throttle Penington, then all teams would use that tactic.

The reason NE and Pitt have had success, is that they are indeed better defensive teams. On a percentage basis, Chad had as much trouble as everyone else.

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Kansas, my stat loving friend, here are some stats for you. 8)

I decided to pull up Pennington splits from last year and compare them to another QB splits from last year and at random I picked some guy named Tom Brady. :lol:

Brady threw the ball 469 x completing 285 (61%)

387 were for 20 or less, 261 complete (67%)

82 greater than 20, 24 complete (29%)

(just a rough average green gal, please don't take off points :P )

Pennington threw the ball 370 x completing 242 (65%)

326 were for 20 or less, 226 complete (69%)

44 greater than 20, 16 complete (36%)

Pretty eerily similar huh. Perhaps with a little work, Brady's efficiency on the 20 yards or greater throws can be as good as Chad's. =D>

Oh and 9 of Brady ints were 11 yards or greater, 6 were actually 10 or less. :lol:

Um Lady, with all due respect, trying to justify PennyBoy's stats to Brady's is utterly ridiculous.

Both the Pats and the Jets played the Steelers in the playoffs last season.

PennyBoy led the Jets offense to a whopping 3 points in 5 quarters of football.

Brady, on the other hand, hung 41 points on the NFL's top ranked defense.

Do you see the difference with "stats" and what is really "important" from your QB? :shock:

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Kansas, my stat loving friend, here are some stats for you. 8)

I decided to pull up Pennington splits from last year and compare them to another QB splits from last year and at random I picked some guy named Tom Brady. :lol:

Brady threw the ball 469 x completing 285 (61%)

387 were for 20 or less, 261 complete (67%)

82 greater than 20, 24 complete (29%)

(just a rough average green gal, please don't take off points :P )

Pennington threw the ball 370 x completing 242 (65%)

326 were for 20 or less, 226 complete (69%)

44 greater than 20, 16 complete (36%)

Pretty eerily similar huh. Perhaps with a little work, Brady's efficiency on the 20 yards or greater throws can be as good as Chad's. =D>

Oh and 9 of Brady ints were 11 yards or greater, 6 were actually 10 or less. :lol:

Um Lady, with all due respect, trying to justify PennyBoy's stats to Brady's is utterly ridiculous.

Both the Pats and the Jets played the Steelers in the playoffs last season.

PennyBoy led the Jets offense to a whopping 3 points in 5 quarters of football.

Brady, on the other hand, hung 41 points on the NFL's top ranked defense.

Do you see the difference with "stats" and what is really "important" from your QB? :shock:

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Kansas, my stat loving friend, here are some stats for you. 8)

I decided to pull up Pennington splits from last year and compare them to another QB splits from last year and at random I picked some guy named Tom Brady. :lol:

Brady threw the ball 469 x completing 285 (61%)

387 were for 20 or less, 261 complete (67%)

82 greater than 20, 24 complete (29%)

(just a rough average green gal, please don't take off points :P )

Pennington threw the ball 370 x completing 242 (65%)

326 were for 20 or less, 226 complete (69%)

44 greater than 20, 16 complete (36%)

Pretty eerily similar huh. Perhaps with a little work, Brady's efficiency on the 20 yards or greater throws can be as good as Chad's. =D>

Oh and 9 of Brady ints were 11 yards or greater, 6 were actually 10 or less. :lol:

Um Lady, with all due respect, trying to justify PennyBoy's stats to Brady's is utterly ridiculous.

Both the Pats and the Jets played the Steelers in the playoffs last season.

PennyBoy led the Jets offense to a whopping 3 points in 5 quarters of football.

Brady, on the other hand, hung 41 points on the NFL's top ranked defense.

Do you see the difference with "stats" and what is really "important" from your QB? :shock:

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Do you see the difference with "stats" and what is really "important" from your QB? :shock:

Oh, I know what's important. Brady has won 3 Super Bowls, Chad hasn't. That's the bottom line and one I won't argue. I've given the Pats and Brady plenty of kudos.

But Kansas is debating that Brady is statistically better than Chad at the deep ball. The stats prove otherwise.

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Kansas, my stat loving friend, here are some stats for you. 8)

I decided to pull up Pennington splits from last year and compare them to another QB splits from last year and at random I picked some guy named Tom Brady. :lol:

Brady threw the ball 469 x completing 285 (61%)

387 were for 20 or less, 261 complete (67%)

82 greater than 20, 24 complete (29%)

(just a rough average green gal, please don't take off points :P )

Pennington threw the ball 370 x completing 242 (65%)

326 were for 20 or less, 226 complete (69%)

44 greater than 20, 16 complete (36%)

Pretty eerily similar huh. Perhaps with a little work, Brady's efficiency on the 20 yards or greater throws can be as good as Chad's. =D>

Oh and 9 of Brady ints were 11 yards or greater, 6 were actually 10 or less. :lol:

First, it is Kentucky. Please get it right. :wink:

You left one important stat out. How many TDs did Brady throw compared to Chad's totals? 11 to 4. That is what I mean. I am not saying Brady is Manning or Favre. Far from it. However, he can make a team pay the price. In the 11-20 range, Brady had a 7 TD to 2 INT ratio. Chad had a 0 to 6.

I did not mean to imply Brady is far superior in those splits. He is far more effective though.

Meddle - That is what I said in my first post. Chad can hit the ocassional long pass. Trust me I know, two seconds after it happens someone posts about it. :roll: What I am saying, teams can scheme/alter their defenses to take away his strengths. So good teams with better players, whom coincidentally have had more success against Chad, will limit his success and all QBs in general.

Gimmie - I believe his shoulder had a little to do with it, but not the be all end all some Jets' fans believe. Like I said, all the built in excuses are gone.

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Take this how you will, but NO quarterback has looked comfortable facing Mumbles defenses... none.

Manning has a cannon, yet, he can't get past the Pats. I don't remember much of the superbowl (was pretty boring) but the Eagles lost, so McNabb could not have looked too great... correct me if I am wrong.

My point is for those who would say Penny does not look good against the Pats, that is fair. Just tell me a qb who DOES look good against the Pats. The list is short, and perhpas non-existent.

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Meddle - That is what I said in my first post. Chad can hit the ocassional long pass. Trust me I know, two seconds after it happens someone posts about it. :roll: What I am saying, teams can scheme/alter their defenses to take away his strengths. So good teams with better players, whom coincidentally have had more success against Chad, will limit his success and all QBs in general.

My point was not that he can get it deep and that almost any pro QB can. It's throwing the ball accurately and on time that gets it done. Arm strength is not best measured by deep balls. That's basic.

As for schemes that will work. Yeah, crowding the middle of the field might be the best angle of approach, but it's been tried by most teams with limited success.

What the Pats do goes well past that. Also, remember that Chad's incompletion at the end of the first game had a lot to do with circumstance and that combined with NE

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Take this how you will, but NO quarterback has looked comfortable facing Mumbles defenses... none.

Manning has a cannon, yet, he can't get past the Pats. I don't remember much of the superbowl (was pretty boring) but the Eagles lost, so McNabb could not have looked too great... correct me if I am wrong.

My point is for those who would say Penny does not look good against the Pats, that is fair. Just tell me a qb who DOES look good against the Pats. The list is short, and perhpas non-existent.

Yes, and Mr. Brady never faces them. As I said before, that's a nice perk. Penny gets it twice a year at minimum.

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Yes, and Mr. Brady never faces them. As I said before, that's a nice perk. Penny gets it twice a year at minimum.

Agreed.

People critique Penny and compare him to Brady, but Brady does not have to face Mumbles twice a season and won't have to face Crennel twice a season either. Like I said, no one looks good against Mumbles defenses.

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