Greenseed3 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Great. The start of another failure in Jets history begins tomorrow! you've become such a negative sh!t lately, you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed3 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I liked Mangini. He implemented a system that held players accountable. He instituted a moral fabric into our player selection. He turned a football field into a classroom, and turned players into students of the game. As a teacher he found effective ways to make players pay better attention to what he wanted them to learn (names, assignments,etc.) But in the end, he struggled. Perhaps the time that was obviously poured into teaching players the "company line" and playing hush-hush games could have been better spent. Rex, on the other hand... I think he wants to win football games by playing football. Instead of making players into students, I think he's going to make players into better players.... Believe-it-or-not, but not all jocks are great students. By coaching-up their athleticism (field IQ) I think the team is better served than making them better prepared for pop-quizzes. Perhaps teaching a player how to be a responsible teammate is useful, but teaching a player killer-instinct will get you a sack on 3rd and 12. Mangini would make for an awesome college coach. He would shape the lives of young men and make this world a better place. This is the NFL though, I want a coach that will teach players to break legs if it means another "W". Rex strikes me as that type of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There really isn't much of a difference between Ryan and Mangini. Both were successful d coordinators on defenses with boatloads of talent. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranchiseCorner24 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Not true. Ok here is a question. What's the difference between Rex Ryan and the two other Ravens DC's Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 this is not official yet well go hide in the bushes and come report when it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Ok here is a question. What's the difference between Rex Ryan and the two other Ravens DC's Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan. pwned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Ok here is a question. What's the difference between Rex Ryan and the two other Ravens DC's Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan. I was just refuting your statement that Mangini was a successful D-Coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I was just refuting your statement that Mangini was a successful D-Coordinator. Agreed. Mangini was a coordinator for what one season? The Patriots rankings weren't that good then either. He was hired based on the thinking that he was Belly's boy. I think Mangini will be a good coach and that he did good things here. Clearly though he has to mature and he would have benefited from a year off to re-think how he handles some things. Rex Ryan? Time will tell, I thought Spags was a better fit but they are both unknown quantities at this point. So I will do what I always do as a Jets fan, hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 good now we can argue over FA's and draft picks antonio bryant please........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You're very well informed for a woman.. There really isn't much of a difference between Ryan and Mangini. Both were successful d coordinators on defenses with boatloads of talent. What got me banned on JI was comparing Rex Ryan to Dick Lebeau. Lebeau's defense failed big time with the Bengals because he didn't have the pass rushers to get to the QB. You can dial up as many blitzes as you want, but if you can't get to the QB you will get burned. Ryan's defense makes a lot of big plays, but also gives up its fair share. Give me Gruden. When was Mangini a successful defensive coordinator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Agreed. Mangini was a coordinator for what one season? The Patriots rankings weren't that good then either. He was hired based on the thinking that he was Belly's boy. I think Mangini will be a good coach and that he did good things here. Clearly though he has to mature and he would have benefited from a year off to re-think how he handles some things. Rex Ryan? Time will tell, I thought Spags was a better fit but they are both unknown quantities at this point. So I will do what I always do as a Jets fan, hope for the best. you really thought spags was a better fit? why? you like the 4-3 better? personally i don't care 3-4 or 4-3. except for the fact that we have alot more 3-4 people in place already. just stop the damn run and get some ****ing pressure on the quarterback please. btw, i read somewhere that julius peppers wants to leave and play in a 3-4......would be a great addition. rex ryan is very well respected in defensive circles....might be able to lure peppers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I'm glad he'll be our coach but one of the things that I worry about with him is that he seems to have some Sutton in him in that he goes into prevent mode at times when he gets a solid lead. I've heard it from Ravens fans and we witnessed some of that first hand last year when he let up on Clemens to an extent. I can't wait to see some people here freaking out cause they were expecting him to go 100mph for the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Great. The start of another failure in Jets history begins tomorrow! You're just being bitter. You know it. We know it. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You're very well informed for a woman.. There really isn't much of a difference between Ryan and Mangini. Both were successful d coordinators on defenses with boatloads of talent. 1st off, you don't have to be a tough guy to make a name for yourself here. Most of us learned very quickly this is not JI. 2nd, Mangini coached 1 season as a coordinator and that defense regressed from earlier years. Also, there were rumors that Belichick took over the playcalling midseason. On the other hand, Rex Ryan, even with boatloads of talent, has had the defense playing at high levels for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Does anyone know if he's smart? I don't care about getting along with the players, great motivator, blah blah blah. There's never been a consistenly winning coach who had average or below average intelligence (see: Herman Edwards). If he's got a brain, I'm happy. Um, Mike Ditka isn't exactly a mensa scholar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 At least it's not loser Martyball. Anyone but. We're keeping little Martyball so the offense won't be any better. I hope I'm wrong and Mangini held him back but I don't really think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Great. The start of another failure in Jets history begins tomorrow! Way to be positive there buddy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 We're keeping little Martyball so the offense won't be any better. I hope I'm wrong and Mangini held him back but I don't really think so. You mean our offense that averaged 25.3 points per game and was ranked ninth in the league in scoring? That's fine by me. If our defense improves, we win 11-12 games if we average the same points on offense as last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You mean our offense that averaged 25.3 points per game and was ranked ninth in the league in scoring? That's fine by me. If our defense improves, we win 11-12 games if we average the same points on offense as last year. People seem to forget this was one of our best O seasons ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 People seem to forget this was one of our best O seasons ever. yeah Leon really touched the ball quite a bit:confused0058: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You mean our offense that averaged 25.3 points per game and was ranked ninth in the league in scoring? That's fine by me. If our defense improves, we win 11-12 games if we average the same points on offense as last year. Thank you:beer_Orcish::beer_Orcish: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 On the other hand, Rex Ryan, even with boatloads of talent, has had the defense playing at high levels for years. And yet never got HC consideration until now. He got interviews, but no serious consideration until now and was even fired after last season only to be rehired once Harbaugh jumped on board. Thats how much the Ravens thought of Rex Ryan and his awesome defensive schemes. Let the Epic Fail Era begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 And yet never got HC consideration until now. He got interviews, but no serious consideration until now and was even fired after last season only to be rehired once Harbaugh jumped on board. Thats how much the Ravens thought of Rex Ryan and his awesome defensive schemes. Let the Epic Fail Era begin. Read some more books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 And yet never got HC consideration until now. He got interviews, but no serious consideration until now and was even fired after last season only to be rehired once Harbaugh jumped on board. Thats how much the Ravens thought of Rex Ryan and his awesome defensive schemes. Let the Epic Fail Era begin. Let's give him a shot...what do we have to lose? Another HC who failed as a Jets HC...LOL. We are the revolving door of HC's...maybe, his link with his dad (who has a SB III ring) will bring us some luck...hell, we're over due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Yeah, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets22 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Good choice In my opinion, at least we have a base 3-4 that he can build on. Bring on the Blitz !!! Anyone know what FA are out there that we may look at to help this D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 3 guys that should be thrilled with Ryan Rhodes Pace And Vernon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 3 guys that should be thrilled with Ryan Rhodes Pace And Vernon I hope he can get something out of Vernon. Biggest question is how do you use him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 good now we can argue over FA's and draft picks Yeah That's the fun part of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I hope he can get something out of Vernon. Biggest question is how do you use him? That would depend on Vernon. I'll at least give the kid this: he's got a lifetime of riches guaranteed to him even if he sucks. And he's taking it upon himself to work with LT all offseason. He may still suck & fail ultimately, but you have to like that attitude. At least if he fails it won't be because of a lack of effort from another in a long line of lazy punks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 How long before we're on photoshop putting a dunce cap on Rex. LOL If this franchise was dead set on using the "unproven head coach" model that has produced three prior "dunce cap" photos continuing to veer away from the strategy that brought them from 1-15 to 12-4 afcc in two years, which is hiring a SB coach, then Rex is the best of the bunch, I guess. We ALL guess. NOBODY ON THE PLANET knows if this guy could coach! But at least he Blitzes!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I dont understand how the guy hasn't been named coach yet and already people are already bitching and ****ing moaning about the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 How long before we're on photoshop putting a dunce cap on Rex. LOL If this franchise was dead set on using the "unproven head coach" model that has produced three prior "dunce cap" photos continuing to veer away from the strategy that brought them from 1-15 to 12-4 afcc in two years, which is hiring a SB coach, then Rex is the best of the bunch, I guess. We ALL guess. NOBODY ON THE PLANET knows if this guy could coach! But at least he Blitzes!!!! It's also the model that was executed by 9 of the 12 playoff teams this year, including all 4 championship-game teams, both superbowl teams, and the eventual superbowl winner. Live in the now, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I hope he can get something out of Vernon. Biggest question is how do you use him? I'm hoping Ryan will have the answers to that. I'm sure he'll start watching the films soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 That would depend on Vernon. I'll at least give the kid this: he's got a lifetime of riches guaranteed to him even if he sucks. And he's taking it upon himself to work with LT all offseason. He may still suck & fail ultimately, but you have to like that attitude. At least if he fails it won't be because of a lack of effort from another in a long line of lazy punks. The bottom line, and I truly believe it, is that if VG can be good, this staff will get it from him. I think his development will give us an education in Mangini/Sutton and if they dropped the ball, or if the guy just can't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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