Maxman Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 By Tyson Rauch http://www.jetnation.com/?p=2055 Good read Tyson, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 By Tyson Rauch http://www.jetnation.com/?p=2055 Good read Tyson, thanks! I don't want him either, and it has nothing to do with him being an accessory after the fact in a murder investigation. No big money for old guys, including, I might add, one Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Max..... there should be a JN MVP award and 4H Crew would definitely win it IMHO-thanks to Tyson for always going the extra mile with all these great ideas put forth for the site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sorry Tyson, I disagree. The impact Ray could have on this team seriously could last for years even when he's gone. His leadership and intensity is unrivaled by anyone that I have seen in decades. The guy demands accountability from his teamates and the passion he exudes is infectious. This team has lacked identity, emotion and intensity for...well...ever. Ray still has a couple of very good years left and everything he provides extra is worth the money. IMHO Very well written and a great read...just respectfully disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 If we brought him here I'd have the same reaction as with Favre. "OK, this could be good"...and expect the worst. I say "Nay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I don't want him either, and it has nothing to do with him being an accessory after the fact in a murder investigation. No big money for old guys, including, I might add, one Brett Favre. I agree. No more free agent splurges on older guys. If they can get a Scott or a Leonhard, fine. We took our shot with Favre last year, now get back to basics - sound drafting. If they don't think either Clemens or Ratliff can be the guy, draft a QB. We can get another couple of years out of vets like Jones, Jenkins, Pace, Ellis, Baker, etc. Maybe with a couple of additions and some sound coaching (for a change), the Jets can do something now. But I don't think they are a win now only team. They have a solid nucleus of younger players like Revis, Rhodes, Harris, maybe Gholston, Mangold, D'Brick, Moore, Keller, Cotchery, Washington, Stuckey, maybe Clowney, maybe Clemens/Ratliff. Hold on to those draft picks and use them well. Forget Favre, Ray Lewis, Garcia, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdropOFvenom Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sorry Tyson, I disagree. The impact Ray could have on this team seriously could last for years even when he's gone. His leadership and intensity is unrivaled by anyone that I have seen in decades. The guy demands accountability from his teamates and the passion he exudes is infectious. This team has lacked identity, emotion and intensity for...well...ever. Ray still has a couple of very good years left and everything he provides extra is worth the money. IMHO Very well written and a great read...just respectfully disagree. That's the main reason I would be in favor of such a move. Ray Lewis would bring leadership, intensity, passion, and most importantly, accountability, of which is the perfect match for Rex Ryan's schemes. Even if his statpage production does eventually decline, I think a year or two of Ray Lewis could really help transform this Defense into that nasty, aggressive scheme that fans want to see. Plus, you cite Team Needs as one of your arguments against him, well, I disagree there. One of our biggest Free Agents this offseason is Eric Barton, a man who happens to play the exact same position as Ray Lewis, and we don't appear to have any qualified replacements in-house. I would say a playmaking ILB is a need for this Defense. The pass defense problems were greatly exaggerated because of our lack of a consistant pass rush. It's only a matter of time until someone breaks free when you're only rushing 3 men. Improving the Front 7 (Not just scheme-wise, but personnel-wise) has a similar effect as improving the Secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 That's the main reason I would be in favor of such a move. Ray Lewis would bring leadership, intensity, passion, and most importantly, accountability, of which is the perfect match for Rex Ryan's schemes. Even if his statpage production does eventually decline, I think a year or two of Ray Lewis could really help transform this Defense into that nasty, aggressive scheme that fans want to see. Plus, you cite Team Needs as one of your arguments against him, well, I disagree there. One of our biggest Free Agents this offseason is Eric Barton, a man who happens to play the exact same position as Ray Lewis, and we don't appear to have any qualified replacements in-house. I would say a playmaking ILB is a need for this Defense. The pass defense problems were greatly exaggerated because of our lack of a consistant pass rush. It's only a matter of time until someone breaks free when you're only rushing 3 men. Improving the Front 7 (Not just scheme-wise, but personnel-wise) has a similar effect as improving the Secondary. Agreed. The 3 areas we need improvement is WR, CB and ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 The impact Ray could have on this team seriously could last for years even when he's gone. His leadership and intensity is unrivaled by anyone that I have seen in decades. The guy demands accountability from his teamates and the passion he exudes is infectious. I argued harder then anyone against bringing in Favre last year, but for these reasons I would love to see Ray Lewis lead our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sorry Tyson, I disagree. The impact Ray could have on this team seriously could last for years even when he's gone. His leadership and intensity is unrivaled by anyone that I have seen in decades. The guy demands accountability from his teamates and the passion he exudes is infectious. This team has lacked identity, emotion and intensity for...well...ever. Ray still has a couple of very good years left and everything he provides extra is worth the money. IMHO Very well written and a great read...just respectfully disagree. It'll be a great day when the Jets can consistently draft and develop their own passionate leaders, instead of having to borrow them from other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 It'll be a great day when the Jets can consistently draft and develop their own passionate leaders, instead of having to borrow them from other teams. Yeah. A player who represents the Jets' core values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'd rather invest in Ray Lewis than Leigh Bodden or Bryant McFadden, personally. The better the front seven is, the less the Defensive Backs are exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 It'll be a great day when the Jets can consistently draft and develop their own passionate leaders, instead of having to borrow them from other teams. No doubt. But at this point, we need to take how we can get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenReaper Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Ray Lewis is too $$$ pricey to be seriously considered. Jets ILB needs would be much better served by acquiring the other Raven FA ILB, Bart Scott. Harris and Scott can play inside for years together. IMO...that makes more sense then a one or two year flyer with 34 y.o. Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Ray Lewis is too $$$ pricey to be seriously considered. Jets ILB needs would be much better served by acquiring the other Raven FA ILB, Bart Scott. Harris and Scott can play inside for years together. IMO...that makes more sense then a one or two year flyer with 34 y.o. Ray. Bart Scott being younger and on the rise will probably cost more than Ray Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishooked Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Jets have a pretty crappy track record with players who's had success with other franchises....just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 No doubt. But at this point, we need to take how we can get it. I'm with Fishooked. I'm tired of taking in other teams' over-the-hill leftovers. (Remember how Favre was supposed to invigorate our entire team with passion and confidence and child-like enthusiasm for the game?) Bring in Bart Scott or a draftee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm with Fishooked. I'm tired of taking in other teams' over-the-hill leftovers. (Remember how Favre was supposed to invigorate our entire team with passion and confidence and child-like enthusiasm for the game?) Bring in Bart Scott or a draftee. Its a good point. I must say that I thought that way about Favre, but I think its even more the case with Lewis. And the reports are saying that he was kind of discontected from the team. I guarantee you that Lewis wouldnt be that way. If we got Bart Scott, I would be happy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I must say that I thought that way about Favre, but I think its even more the case with Lewis. And the reports are saying that he was kind of discontected from the team. I guarantee you that Lewis wouldnt be that way. Very true. I just tend to be biased against older players, and FA signings in general. My dream is that one day the Jets can be like the Steelers--a few hole-plugging FAs here and there, but mainly build through a constant stream of good drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I agree. No more free agent splurges on older guys. If they can get a Scott or a Leonhard, fine. We took our shot with Favre last year, now get back to basics - sound drafting. If they don't think either Clemens or Ratliff can be the guy, draft a QB. We can get another couple of years out of vets like Jones, Jenkins, Pace, Ellis, Baker, etc. Maybe with a couple of additions and some sound coaching (for a change), the Jets can do something now. But I don't think they are a win now only team. They have a solid nucleus of younger players like Revis, Rhodes, Harris, maybe Gholston, Mangold, D'Brick, Moore, Keller, Cotchery, Washington, Stuckey, maybe Clowney, maybe Clemens/Ratliff. Hold on to those draft picks and use them well. Forget Favre, Ray Lewis, Garcia, etc. I aqgree. lewis is certainly past his prime and looking for a big score $$ . Let him get it somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Very true. I just tend to be biased against older players, and FA signings in general. My dream is that one day the Jets can be like the Steelers--a few hole-plugging FAs here and there, but mainly build through a constant stream of good drafts. I'm not against FA signings but , like you've said, not with older players. The proven formula has been to sign players on their way up, not older players on the decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 **** leadership... Kimo Voncraphoffen was a starting Superbowl DE when we brought him in for leadership... Get a young hungry player in here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 **** leadership... Kimo Voncraphoffen was a starting Superbowl DE when we brought him in for leadership... Get a young hungry player in here... Are you seriously comparing the leadership ability of Kimo Vanoelhoffen to that of Ray Lewis??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 **** leadership... Kimo Voncraphoffen was a starting Superbowl DE when we brought him in for leadership... Get a young hungry player in here... So you're now comparing von Oelhoffen to Ray Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Are you seriously comparing the leadership ability of Kimo Vanoelhoffen to that of Ray Lewis??? So you're now comparing von Oelhoffen to Ray Lewis? You guys are forgetting that Kimo was a HUGE leader in Pitt and also a HUGE part of their previous SB win... He might not be as good as Lewis but both of them are older guys on the decline who once were leaders on their team that went to and won a superbowl... Ray Lewis would certainly work out better for us than Kimo did I would hope... still doesnt change the fact that you cant lead a team if you cant perform at a high level consistently and lead by example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majf Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 It'll be a great day when the Jets can consistently draft and develop their own passionate leaders, instead of having to borrow them from other teams. The Jets have shown themselves entirely capable of drafting and developing passionate leaders. Take the recent examples of Chad and Vilma. The problem is that neither management nor fans fully appreciate the value of leadership, particularly when the player's performance slips from career highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 You guys are forgetting that Kimo was a HUGE leader in Pitt and also a HUGE part of their previous SB win... He might not be as good as Lewis but both of them are older guys on the decline who once were leaders on their team that went to and won a superbowl... Ray Lewis would certainly work out better for us than Kimo did I would hope... still doesnt change the fact that you cant lead a team if you cant perform at a high level consistently and lead by example... Ray Lewis is still 5x the player than Kimo ever was. If you can get one of the Top 3 34 ILB to ever play the game, still playing GOOD, not great, who knows what Rex Ryan wants to do and can help form David Harris into a great 34 ILB, you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 **** leadership... Kimo Voncraphoffen was a starting Superbowl DE when we brought him in for leadership... Get a young hungry player in here... Exactly. Enough with the over 30 overpaid free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 We have enough geriatrics on this team, no need for another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 You guys are forgetting that Kimo was a HUGE leader in Pitt and also a HUGE part of their previous SB win... He might not be as good as Lewis but both of them are older guys on the decline who once were leaders on their team that went to and won a superbowl... Ray Lewis would certainly work out better for us than Kimo did I would hope... still doesnt change the fact that you cant lead a team if you cant perform at a high level consistently and lead by example... You're losing it. Ray Lewis is a once every 20 years player/leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 You're losing it. Ray Lewis is a once every 20 years player/leader. He will not help the JETS for more than one season... they need a young leader not an old guy who is looking for his last big payday... think about how much and how long they paid Cmart after he was done/gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 He will not help the JETS for more than one season... they need a young leader not an old guy who is looking for his last big payday... think about how much and how long they paid Cmart after he was done/gone... Couldn't have said it any better. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 You're losing it. Ray Lewis is a once every 20 years player/leader. He has been around for a couple others then too huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Ray Lewis is still 5x the player than Kimo ever was. If you can get one of the Top 3 34 ILB to ever play the game, still playing GOOD, not great, who knows what Rex Ryan wants to do and can help form David Harris into a great 34 ILB, you do it. And how much do you pay this guy? the money does not match the talent at this point. Bart Scott makes sense Lewis does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Lewis would be a sick pickup if it was just for a year, but that probably won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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