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I am not as confident that Gary Kubiak should be our next HC


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Yes, I think Gary Kubiak is an offensive mastermind, but after the debacle of losing to the Dolphins, I am not so sure that he is "the guy" anymore. I know he has the idiot that is Jake Plummer playing QB for him, but you still should do a little better than the Broncos did against Miami. Given that, I have pulled my support from the "Hire Kube" platform and I am re-evaluating future head coaching options for '06. Early candidates to replace Gary in the top slot are Jim Fassel, Bob Stoops, Eric Mangini, Ralph Friedgen and Jeff Tedford.

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Gary Kubiak

Gary Kubiak begins his 12th year as an NFL coach and his 11th season as Denver's offensive coordinator in 2005. He is coming off 10 highly successful seasons in which the Broncos' offensive unit has produced numbers unparalleled in the history of the organization, highlighted by back-to-back World Championships in 1997 and '98.

Kubiak, who owns three Super Bowl rings, is one of just 15 NFL coaches to win a Super Bowl with two different franchises (San Francisco, 1994) and one of just nine to win a title with a team from each conference.

He returned to the Broncos

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If Herm was to be fired at the end of the season I would really hope that we could bring Jim Fassel back to NY. The man has led a team to the Super Bowl and it's not his fault his drunk QB sputtered along with tons of other injuries in his final year with the Giants in 03.

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Mangini's not ripe yet. Not sure if his personality is right for it, but his pedigree, performance in his role, and the fact that BB has him more or less handpicked as his post Weis/Crennel #2 and had him as such for a while suggests some pretty good things about him.

Most of the names TS suggested.... I don't think well of those guys as HC candidates, I'll just say that.

Guys I'd take a close look at?

Pat Hill

Charlie Weis

Dante Scarnecchia. Seriously.

Bill Parcells. You really think he'll be in Dallas long past the end of the season? You think he wouldn't jump at the chance to grab a peaking team for one last glory run?

Pity that Jim Johnson is probably just too old.

Is that a Belichicentric list? You godd*** betcha. After Reid's cluster**** in the superbowl BB's got the only coaching line out there right now that I would REALLY trust. Moreover.... we're just talking about a whole other level.... a high level BB disciple IMO offers the best chance of a home run pick at HC, and the ones I've listed IMO are not high risk either. Johnson's good enough to deserve note anyway, but his age is just a bit too much, sadly.

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Shane-Why all the he love for the college coaches.

That approach just does not work anymore. 90% of those guys are not willing to put in the time to be a pro coach, nor do they have the ambition.

Bob Stoops? I thought that clamor died 2 years ago. Why would he leave Norman? What GOOD reason would cause him to leave Norman, where he deified as a God and legend, to come to New York to have knee jerk hacks rip at any single loss?

Who wants that?

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I was just kinda being mock-serious with this thread. Everyone knows I hate Herm and I'm always keeping my eyes open for the next uber-genius HC to come replace him. It was spurred more by watching young Jim Mora Jr. and Andy Reid matching wits than by my disgust for the boob that is Herm Edwards.

As for my list, Bob Stoops has slid wayyyy down on it. He has shown the propensity to get schooled in big games and also has shown little ability to handle adversity (i.e. Jason White's meltdowns). Ralph Friedgen has an NFL pedigree and, I think, has the balls that you need to coach in NY. Tough guy, too. I think he'd do well. As for Charlie Weis, it's often been said of him that he has extremely thin skin, and you know that won't play well in NYC. Fassel is an OK choice, but I just can't ignore the fact that his Giants teams quit on him two years in a row. Realistically, there aren't a hell of alot of options to pick from here. Should Herm get the whack after this season, the next head coach will either be Donnie Henderson or someone like Mike Holmgren.

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there's no point in wacking Herm in favor of Donnie, the staff is stronger with both of them rather than only one.

TomShane what you are realizing is that the HC free agent market is more bareboned than the DT free agent market -

simply aren't any good HC candiates out there.

Hey i heard Dave Wanndstadt is available!

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I agree with Bitonti that the HC Free agent market is pretty bare at this point. Our time to make a move was the past two seasons when Nick Saban was available, but obviously we couldnt fire herm after last season.

Id say if Herm were to get fired at season's end (better chance of pissing into the wind and not getting wet than that happening) the only replacement I can think of that I would be satisified with is Kirk Ferentz. But I dont know if he is an NY kinda guy either. But he sure can coach.

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by the way i don't know if you guys noticed but apparently being the HC of the NYJ is about as attractive a job as being the bandage changer at a leper colony.

Al Groh had the job for 1 year and left weeping into the hills of Charlotteville.

Belly quit after 1 day on the job.

They have no real home stadium, no winning tradition, high expectations, a rabid bi-polar fan base and a media that is absolutely bloodsucking and relentless.

No Herm isn't perfect but at least he wants the job. At least he's got upside and could theoretically learn as he goes. there's no upside to hiring Jim Fassel to recreate the 1998 Giants.

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I agree bit, short of luring weiss away from nd( fat chance) no one comes to mind to replace herm.

top notch , mistake free head coaches are a very rare thing in the nfl these days.

here's to hoping me & my bi-polarism jumps off the hermbashing bandwagon after week 2

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This is his fifth year, Bit. You can no longer talk about "upside" with him. Ditto Brian Thomas. :lol:

As for the coaching pool, sometimes you have to take a shot on a young guy and see what happens. Was anyone excited about Jim Mora Jr. before he was hired? Hell, was anyone excited when Belichick was about to become our HC? I know I wasn't. The point is, there are people out there that can get it done, and in the worst case scenario (8-8), Woody is going to have to find one. And not answer the phone when Tagliabue calls again.

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If we were to hire Fassell Id consider no lnoger watching until he were fired. The guy is a cream puff and his teams had a penchant for losing brutal games every year, on top of all of that his teams were undisciplined his special teams were a disaster. I could careless that he made one fluke SB appearance in a year where he had a cupcake schedule and the NFC was no better than the ACC.

Fassell would be an utter disaster.

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This is his fifth year, Bit. You can no longer talk about "upside" with him. Ditto Brian Thomas. :lol:

As for the coaching pool, sometimes you have to take a shot on a young guy and see what happens. Was anyone excited about Jim Mora Jr. before he was hired? Hell, was anyone excited when Belichick was about to become our HC? I know I wasn't. The point is, there are people out there that can get it done, and in the worst case scenario (8-8), Woody is going to have to find one. And not answer the phone when Tagliabue calls again.

Ahhhh-See TS-There you go again-You say that there are peopel out there that can get it done, and you pretend that if you swing a dead cat you will hit one of these people. That is not so necessarily true.

Just look at recent Jet history- Bruce Coslett, Pete Carroll- These were both guys that were "sure" things within NFL circles.

The rest of teh NFL is littered with these guys-Dick Lebeau, Rich Pettibon, Gregg Williams and I could go on and on.

The success rate of these "sure" things, I would wager is less than 30%.

I would surely expect Jet fans to understand this concept.

What most Jet fans fail to realize is that we could do MUCH WORSE than Herm Edwards. We have for the bulk of our franchise history.

To just assume that their is a coaching tree out there that we can pick some plum off of is wishful thinking at best. At worst, you can set the franchise back 5 years.

I have seen the knee jerk reaction with teh Jets before. It has NEVER worked, save but a last ditch effort to get Tuna. Those opportunities are not out there now.

You have not heard me claim that Hermn is teh best coach in the league. Nor is he the worst. But based on our history (and we can't deny that) my feeling is you have to give the man a chance to see what he can do here. Our options are limited.

How long that chance is? maybe it is just this year,. We need to see. But I am sick of the knee jerk reactions. Been there done that.

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I hear you, Brother Scott. The thing is, I honestly believe that we've seen the best that Herm has to offer. I haven't seen improvement in any area. I haven't seen any dazzling game plans. The only thing you see with Herm is him getting farther and farther away from the game day operation of the game. How can that be an asset? All I'm saying is that Herm will have had five years to get us a ring and all he's done is tread water. We'll be in a position where, if the team goes 8-8, 9-7, where we'll have to take our chances on a new guy. That, I think, is indisputable.

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You have not heard me claim that Hermn is teh best coach in the league. Nor is he the worst. But based on our history (and we can't deny that) my feeling is you have to give the man a chance to see what he can do here. Our options are limited.

Herm is not a bad coach, but after a while you have to wonder what is he being evaluated by? You cant tell me he is being evaluated on playoff appearances because since he became HC of the Jets all Herm has talked about is winning a super bowl. So you cant talk about winning a super bowl then use playoff appearances as a reason why herm should not be fired. If you talk about winning a super bowl, win it.

My biggest problem with herm is we are entering year 5 of his tenure and I honestly dont feel we are any better in year 5 than we were in year 1. And its not like he took over a 1-15 team, he took over a solid team that had a great blend of veterans and young players.

At what point does Woody realize what Tampa Bay realized with Dungy? That Herm, like Dungy is a solid, but limited coach who could only take the team so far and its time to bring in somebody to get us over the hump?

HOpefully not another 5 more years.

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My biggest problem with herm is we are entering year 5 of his tenure and I honestly dont feel we are any better in year 5 than we were in year 1. And its not like he took over a 1-15 team, he took over a solid team that had a great blend of veterans and young players.

Bingizzo

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What most Jet fans fail to realize is that we could do MUCH WORSE than Herm Edwards. We have for the bulk of our franchise history.

Based on this 5 years, yes, may be we could get stuck with Mike Tice or Rich Pettibon.. And that would be much worse. But I'm pretty certian that between woody Johnson adn Bradway they aren't going to do what they did for herm again.

5 years; he hires a clock guru; AND HE STILL CANNOT GET THAT SIMPLE THING HIGH SCHOOL COACHES KNOW ON DAY 1 RIGHT.

5 years; the Jets often still look like they met in the parking lot that morning.

5 years; we're no closer to Bellihcick and the Pats, save a 3rd tiebreaker in 2002, than the day he left Hofstra.

5 years; and Herm's infatuation with his self-created ego-driven media career(whcih given his record here is increasingly an embarrassment; witness the great 2 games over .500 record!) doesn't for a minute take a backseat to Herm Edwards, head coach of NYJ. At least the Pettibons and Bugels and Coslets didn't spend the offseason making themselves into self-deluded parodies of Anthony Robbins in Midwest ballrooms for some pocket change.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk. But that exact attitude-like Bit saying this is a 2nd class undesirable job, that acceptance of mediocrity-is a bigger impediment to this franchise stepping up than any stadium or where the games get played.

The idea that a young, smart tough coach would never come here, and isn't available just isn't true. And even if it was, the unknown commodity, if chosen wisely, is almost certainly better than the known quality that is Herm Edwards.heck, that guy might even be Donnie Henderson.

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Herm is not a bad coach, but after a while you have to wonder what is he being evaluated by? You cant tell me he is being evaluated on playoff appearances because since he became HC of the Jets all Herm has talked about is winning a super bowl. So you cant talk about winning a super bowl then use playoff appearances as a reason why herm should not be fired. If you talk about winning a super bowl, win it.

My biggest problem with herm is we are entering year 5 of his tenure and I honestly dont feel we are any better in year 5 than we were in year 1. And its not like he took over a 1-15 team, he took over a solid team that had a great blend of veterans and young players.

At what point does Woody realize what Tampa Bay realized with Dungy? That Herm, like Dungy is a solid, but limited coach who could only take the team so far and its time to bring in somebody to get us over the hump?

HOpefully not another 5 more years.

The window of opportunity is closing, that is sure.

If we are going to go by your ultimate criteria though (winning a SB-which I think SHOULD be the criteria), 95% of teh other coaches have failed as well during the period Herm was here.

If you could get me a coach that GUARANTEES me a SB, I am all in. We all realize that is not a wish that can be granted. And that is where the variables come in. And don't foll yourself if you don't see the variables out there.

We could as easily get another Pete Carrol as we can get a Bill Bellichick. Actually much more likely to get a Pete Carrol. Be careful what you wish for sometimes

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I just threw up in my mouth reading this crap. that tough young coach is out there.....WHO IS OUT THERE ..........WHO.

might even be donnie h......pleeeeaase we are better off with both herm & donnie this year. you really think we'd be better off with donnie hc & someone else dc.......... that is just stupid............. newsflash..our d sucked on sunday & players fought on the sidelines..thanks donnie

year 4---- a field goal kick clanking the upright away from afc championship game against a 15-1 steeler team.

week 1 was a whole team meltdown. blame herm as I do but this is getting stupid guys............I will gladly revisit this argument midseason but to keep harping on how herm sucks & there are lots better coaches out there right now is sickening

its hump day . lsts get over the hump & look forward to this sunday not last sunday

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So Edwards by your fiat is without question better than anyone, college or pro, head guy or coordinator, who might be out there in January, right?

As far as throwing up in the mouth, I've done it numerous times since this buffoon and windbag got the job, Sunday being the most recent usch occasion.

I'll look forward to Sunday and figure the Jets should win. Leave it at that for now.

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So Edwards by your fiat is without question better than anyone, college or pro, head guy or coordinator, who might be out there in January, right?

As far as throwing up in the mouth, I've done it numerous times since this buffoon and windbag got the job, Sunday being the most recent usch occasion.

I'll look forward to Sunday and figure the Jets should win. Leave it at that for now.

Hence the dilemna. The New York Jets do not have the luxury of taking all of those prospective "sure things" in January and hiring them all , and then sorting through the wreckage to find their best coach.

They have to do it like everyone else, pick ONE man, and be confident that one man will bring them the Super Bowl.

Please, tell me who that sure thing is. I am patiently waiting and will send even more money to this man than I contrbuted to the Katrina catastrophe. I will lick his shoes and throw rose petals at his feet. Just ensure me that he is guuaranteed to be the real deal.

Again, hence the dilemna.

This talk is all premature now.

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So Edwards by your fiat is without question better than anyone, college or pro, head guy or coordinator, who might be out there in January, right?

As far as throwing up in the mouth, I've done it numerous times since this buffoon and windbag got the job, Sunday being the most recent usch occasion.

I'll look forward to Sunday and figure the Jets should win. Leave it at that for now.

I'm not saying he's better than anyone else out there,I just haven't heard a name tabled yet. we're stuck with him & we could do a lot worse at this moment in time when it comes to available replacements.

I dissagree we'd be better off with donnie or dinger. dinger has a lot to prove even as oc imo. playcalling didn't dazzle me at all.

fair enough to leave it alone til sunday, lots of smart guys, yourself included posting in this thread, who I don't care to get into a battle with. If we suck against fins, i'll be right there with you guys bashing em all, but you guys are too smart to let 1 game decide when to throw the towell in.

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