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Google becomming new microsoft..

The OS business is a ton more complicated then web especially when backwards compatibility comes into play..

But that is the beauty of moving to cloud computing, as long as your computer can run a modern browser, its all good. This would actually force msft into actually embracing web standards, people have no idea how much msft holds back progress on the internet through their crappy browser behaving how it does.

This is the beginning of the final chapter of msft. If people thought computers where cheap just buying basic nodes to run windows, well they will get even cheaper now with this. For those of you who think msft is to entrenched in the market to be replaced, well, ibm thought the same thing with their mainframe mentality and now they are a niche services company and a shell of their former selves. The online OS is the future of computing, and msft realized this too late which is evident in their hurried and failed bid at an online land grab with a yahoo buyout.

Google has taken their r&d money and put it into a TON of different technologies that were all over the place. Things that seemed to have no value, like their research with nasa, but sure enough eventually they saw returns on some of that stuff and they will see even more now with this move. They hire the smartest people out there and are inovating in different areas all over the place, while nobody can really say msft is much of an innovator, especially over the last decade.

The ubiquity of wireless broadband speed internet access is going to balloon in the next few years, to the point that near free access will be available wherever you are, just as easily as your cell phone today, and google has timed this perfectly for that.

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But that is the beauty of moving to cloud computing, as long as your computer can run a modern browser, its all good. This would actually force msft into actually embracing web standards, people have no idea how much msft holds back progress on the internet through their crappy browser behaving how it does.

This is the beginning of the final chapter of msft. If people thought computers where cheap just buying basic nodes to run windows, well they will get even cheaper now with this. For those of you who think msft is to entrenched in the market to be replaced, well, ibm thought the same thing with their mainframe mentality and now they are a niche services company and a shell of their former selves. The online OS is the future of computing, and msft realized this too late which is evident in their hurried and failed bid at an online land grab with a yahoo buyout.

Google has taken their r&d money and put it into a TON of different technologies that were all over the place. Things that seemed to have no value, like their research with nasa, but sure enough eventually they saw returns on some of that stuff and they will see even more now with this move. They hire the smartest people out there and are inovating in different areas all over the place, while nobody can really say msft is much of an innovator, especially over the last decade.

The ubiquity of wireless broadband speed internet access is going to balloon in the next few years, to the point that near free access will be available wherever you are, just as easily as your cell phone today, and google has timed this perfectly for that.

I fight people that still use IE.

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I fight people that still use IE.

Dude, it is total bulls##t, a lot of sites just don't render correctly on IE. There are things you can do in css, like rounded corners, that IE doesn't recognize, so either you have to create graphics to get the same effect or you just say screw it and the people that use firefox get the enhancements and the people that use IE don't. A lot of sites look better in firefox because of this. And FORGET about trying to make a site that works well in IE6, I just throw up a notice to anyone that is browsing with that version that they need to go upgrade to see the site the correct way.

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Dude, it is total bulls##t, a lot of sites just don't render correctly on IE. There are things you can do in css, like rounded corners, that IE doesn't recognize, so either you have to create graphics to get the same effect or you just say screw it and the people that use firefox get the enhancements and the people that use IE don't. A lot of sites look better in firefox because of this. And FORGET about trying to make a site that works well in IE6, I just throw up a notice to anyone that is browsing with that version that they need to go upgrade to see the site the correct way.

**** em

I design everything I do for Firefox... i really despise IE... I also dont like Chrome or Opera very much either.

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But that is the beauty of moving to cloud computing, as long as your computer can run a modern browser, its all good. This would actually force msft into actually embracing web standards, people have no idea how much msft holds back progress on the internet through their crappy browser behaving how it does.

This is the beginning of the final chapter of msft. If people thought computers where cheap just buying basic nodes to run windows, well they will get even cheaper now with this. For those of you who think msft is to entrenched in the market to be replaced, well, ibm thought the same thing with their mainframe mentality and now they are a niche services company and a shell of their former selves. The online OS is the future of computing, and msft realized this too late which is evident in their hurried and failed bid at an online land grab with a yahoo buyout.

Google has taken their r&d money and put it into a TON of different technologies that were all over the place. Things that seemed to have no value, like their research with nasa, but sure enough eventually they saw returns on some of that stuff and they will see even more now with this move. They hire the smartest people out there and are inovating in different areas all over the place, while nobody can really say msft is much of an innovator, especially over the last decade.

The ubiquity of wireless broadband speed internet access is going to balloon in the next few years, to the point that near free access will be available wherever you are, just as easily as your cell phone today, and google has timed this perfectly for that.

Been hearing this since the beginning of the decade. We'll see... On the other side, people have been saying Applie is going to undue Microsoft for years now to.

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Been hearing this since the beginning of the decade. We'll see... On the other side, people have been saying Applie is going to undue Microsoft for years now to.

Apple is just as bad if not worse than Microsoft... all the things that made people hate Microsoft in the 90's (forcing people to use their stuff) Apple is doing...

Google has a chance to step into the "netbook" market but that fad will die hard anyways...

Get used to Windows... your great grandchildren will be using it.

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Been hearing this since the beginning of the decade. We'll see... On the other side, people have been saying Applie is going to undue Microsoft for years now to.

I have never heard even the strongest mac supporters claim that apple was going to undue msft. It is pretty clear apple has no desire to be msft. It would be impossible to do that without licensing out the os, which apple gave up on after a brief trial before Jobs' return.

Talk about cloud computing in the past came from people on the fringe, it is only now with a company the size and scope of google with the emerging ubiquity of wireless internet that it is a possibility. Msft is already reacting (always reacting and never revolutionizing) by announcing this week that they will be offering applications on the web.

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I have never heard even the strongest mac supporters claim that apple was going to undue msft. It is pretty clear apple has no desire to be msft. It would be impossible to do that without licensing out the os, which apple gave up on after a brief trial before Jobs' return.

Talk about cloud computing in the past came from people on the fringe, it is only now with a company the size and scope of google with the emerging ubiquity of wireless internet that it is a possibility. Msft is already reacting (always reacting and never revolutionizing) by announcing this week that they will be offering applications on the web.

SOS has been around for a long time.. INternet explorer is basicallty an OS shell and has been inreasing in that role.. You are kiiding yourself if you think MS isn't prepared..

Do they revolutionize, maybe not, but they react quickly and have the capital and installed user base to survive, not to mention an army of developers who continue to evangilize things like .net at companies all over the world.

I'm not denying google is a huge threat.. but the idea that all software will be delivered as a service to dumb client is not in the near future. .. it's no different then the old mainframe model which was killed by client server.. what's old is new again..

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Apple is just as bad if not worse than Microsoft... all the things that made people hate Microsoft in the 90's (forcing people to use their stuff) Apple is doing...

Google has a chance to step into the "netbook" market but that fad will die hard anyways...

Get used to Windows... your great grandchildren will be using it.

I don't really see what you mean that apple is doing what msft did in the 90's, besides, nobody that uses apple products is unhappy to be using them, which i would say is quite a different story from msft users.

You are looking at tomorrow through today's technology, same as a lot of critics and the record labels did when apple came out with the ipod and touted the future of music moving to the internet. The computers and devices that this next generation of operating systems will bring with it will bring about a paradigm shift in power. Ask Wang and IBM about power shifts.

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Apple is just as bad if not worse than Microsoft... all the things that made people hate Microsoft in the 90's (forcing people to use their stuff) Apple is doing...

Google has a chance to step into the "netbook" market but that fad will die hard anyways...

Get used to Windows... your great grandchildren will be using it.

agreed.. but diehard apple people have always claimed it will replace ms. but they are more closed then MS ever was. They should stick to gadgets and software frankly

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I don't really see what you mean that apple is doing what msft did in the 90's, besides, nobody that uses apple products is unhappy to be using them, which i would say is quite a different story from msft users.

You are looking at tomorrow through today's technology, same as a lot of critics and the record labels did when apple came out with the ipod and touted the future of music moving to the internet. The computers and devices that this next generation of operating systems will bring with it will bring about a paradigm shift in power. Ask Wang and IBM about power shifts.

you must be in marketing... amiright?

all the stuff you are saying now is what people said about netscape..

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SOS has been around for a long time.. INternet explorer is basicallty an OS shell and has been inreasing in that role.. You are kiiding yourself if you think MS isn't prepared..

Do they revolutionize, maybe not, but they react quickly and have the capital and installed user base to survive, not to mention an army of developers who continue to evangilize things like .net at companies all over the world.

I'm not denying google is a huge threat.. but the idea that all software will be delivered as a service to dumb client is not in the near future. .. it's no different then the old mainframe model which was killed by client server.. what's old is new again..

The difference is that the nodes had to be connected by a cable to the mainframe, when computers can be connected wirelessly at broadband speeds from anywhere that is completely different.

Also, msft was hardly prepared, which was evident with their scramble to buy yahoo, a distant second to google in search and with not nearly the same breadth of services. Google is also years ahead of anybody in server design and data centers, their innovations give them a huge advantage. Google really just needs the browser, which they are getting close with already with chrome, and a lightweight multi platform browser, once they do that the connections can be made, on top of windows or any other os and after being established later as a stand alone. MSFT has to go and invest in online when google has already locked it up. If you think bing is anywhere near ready for primetime you are crazy, other than searching for free porn clips it kinda sucks, and msft can't compete with all the technologies google has been buying up for years now.

Think about the enterprise market, if you can make desktops even cheaper by tossing the windows license, you can SIGNIFICANTLY cut costs by ditching exchange and other msft seerver licenses, you can cut your hardware infrastructure, cut your it staff and budget, offload a lot of your hardware and go with google's services and at the same time protect yourself from disaster recovery by moving your files offsite, than you are making a compelling argument. I think with younger more online aware managers and decision makers coming up, it will be easier to sell. It wasn't long ago when the IT slogan was "nobody ever got fired for buying ibm" and look how that has changed.

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I don't really see what you mean that apple is doing what msft did in the 90's, besides, nobody that uses apple products is unhappy to be using them, which i would say is quite a different story from msft users.

You are looking at tomorrow through today's technology, same as a lot of critics and the record labels did when apple came out with the ipod and touted the future of music moving to the internet. The computers and devices that this next generation of operating systems will bring with it will bring about a paradigm shift in power. Ask Wang and IBM about power shifts.

IBM is your best example?

over 100 billion dollars in sales... (an increase over the prior year) and their hardware runs the Xbox360, PS3 and the Wii...

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you must be in marketing... amiright?

all the stuff you are saying now is what people said about netscape..

You can't compare netscape to google, it is just 2 totally different companies that really share nothing in common. People were writing years ago after their ipo that google needs to watch out before it became the next netscape at the hands of msft, but it has only gotten bigger. First of all, netscape, while a great and revolutionary product, was a software company. MSFt is also a software company, and they did what they do and created their own software to compete. Netscape had no real forms of revenue, nobody really paid for that browser, and msft (who was later brought up on anti trust charges) just forced IE on everybody. It didn't help that netscape had what everyone else considered very weak management.

Google on the other hand entered as a search engine, a space that msft wasn't putting effort into. They gradually invested in and added other services and content. They offered a solid email product, they invested in research projects with nasa and things like google earth were born of that which at the time was nothing more than a toy but now is integrated in lots of ways. They invest in all types of projects with a long term eye toward what they are now doing. Oh, and while they were rolling out all these services, they figured out that the eyeballs viewing their services are pretty valuable and took online advertising and ran with it better than anyone else. Meanwhile msft concentrated on the tired aol model of membership with its msn network which went nowhere. A side benefit to their success is that now google has the prestige and money to get all the most talented people, who want to work there.

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IBM is your best example?

over 100 billion dollars in sales... (an increase over the prior year) and their hardware runs the Xbox360, PS3 and the Wii...

you listed three very strong products there, it is just too bad none of them are computers.

You both missed my point and made it for me. IBM was considered THE hardware company. In the 80's you would have said, get used to ibm computers, your great grandkids will be using them. But only a few years later this thinking proved to be folly as ibm crashed hard ans under Gerstner was reborn as a services company, which it is today. My point was there was a huge power shift to other companies that did things diferently/better, and ibm, which was thought to be unstoppable, was caught with the blinders on.

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The difference is that the nodes had to be connected by a cable to the mainframe, when computers can be connected wirelessly at broadband speeds from anywhere that is completely different.

Also, msft was hardly prepared, which was evident with their scramble to buy yahoo, a distant second to google in search and with not nearly the same breadth of services. Google is also years ahead of anybody in server design and data centers, their innovations give them a huge advantage. Google really just needs the browser, which they are getting close with already with chrome, and a lightweight multi platform browser, once they do that the connections can be made, on top of windows or any other os and after being established later as a stand alone. MSFT has to go and invest in online when google has already locked it up. If you think bing is anywhere near ready for primetime you are crazy, other than searching for free porn clips it kinda sucks, and msft can't compete with all the technologies google has been buying up for years now.

Think about the enterprise market, if you can make desktops even cheaper by tossing the windows license, you can SIGNIFICANTLY cut costs by ditching exchange and other msft seerver licenses, you can cut your hardware infrastructure, cut your it staff and budget, offload a lot of your hardware and go with google's services and at the same time protect yourself from disaster recovery by moving your files offsite, than you are making a compelling argument. I think with younger more online aware managers and decision makers coming up, it will be easier to sell. It wasn't long ago when the IT slogan was "nobody ever got fired for buying ibm" and look how that has changed.

ENterprise market is where ms will continue to dominate.. Very hard ship to move and inherent resistance to open source..

Younger people moving into management aren't google people yet..they are ms people..

I'm not saying you are wrong, just not practical if you think any seismic shift is coming..

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You can't compare netscape to google, it is just 2 totally different companies that really share nothing in common. People were writing years ago after their ipo that google needs to watch out before it became the next netscape at the hands of msft, but it has only gotten bigger. First of all, netscape, while a great and revolutionary product, was a software company. MSFt is also a software company, and they did what they do and created their own software to compete. Netscape had no real forms of revenue, nobody really paid for that browser, and msft (who was later brought up on anti trust charges) just forced IE on everybody. It didn't help that netscape had what everyone else considered very weak management.

Google on the other hand entered as a search engine, a space that msft wasn't putting effort into. They gradually invested in and added other services and content. They offered a solid email product, they invested in research projects with nasa and things like google earth were born of that which at the time was nothing more than a toy but now is integrated in lots of ways. They invest in all types of projects with a long term eye toward what they are now doing. Oh, and while they were rolling out all these services, they figured out that the eyeballs viewing their services are pretty valuable and took online advertising and ran with it better than anyone else. Meanwhile msft concentrated on the tired aol model of membership with its msn network which went nowhere. A side benefit to their success is that now google has the prestige and money to get all the most talented people, who want to work there.

.. google makes it's money primarily off of advertising.. THey are a giant online phonebook. and the Keywords concept wasn't even invented by google, they kinda stole it. (page rank however is all theirs)

Again, not saying that google isn't very smart and well run, but they are also going to start experiancing big company bnureacreacy as they continue to grow..

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ENterprise market is where ms will continue to dominate.. Very hard ship to move and inherent resistance to open source..

Younger people moving into management aren't google people yet..they are ms people..

I'm not saying you are wrong, just not practical if you think any seismic shift is coming..

i wouldn't call google apps opensource, just not msft. There are absolutely HUGE cost savings to move off of msft enterprise products, server and exchange licenses are absurd, and really only because they have a monopoly, i doubt any IT guy loves working with the stuff. If google can come up with the right enterprise product for email/contact (which i strongly believe they can) then it would be a death blow to msft's hold on enterprise, that is a lot of money to them.

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i wouldn't call google apps opensource, just not msft. There are absolutely HUGE cost savings to move off of msft enterprise products, server and exchange licenses are absurd, and really only because they have a monopoly, i doubt any IT guy loves working with the stuff. If google can come up with the right enterprise product for email/contact (which i strongly believe they can) then it would be a death blow to msft's hold on enterprise, that is a lot of money to them.

A lot of embedded knowledge in exchange space in corp america.. actually started out my IT career doing email. I'm now vp level development head running c# and dot.net exclusive. I and many like me won't be advocating moves too google or anything else in the near future. Myself and entire dev/ops team has 100's of year combined experiance on ms platforms and they've created a great development platform to work on. It's really hard to make a rapid shift against that kind of installed base, particularly when microsoft is sure to remain competitive..

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A lot of embedded knowledge in exchange space in corp america.. actually started out my IT career doing email. I'm now vp level development head running c# and dot.net exclusive. I and many like me won't be advocating moves too google or anything else in the near future. Myself and entire dev/ops team has 100's of year combined experiance on ms platforms and they've created a great development platform to work on. It's really hard to make a rapid shift against that kind of installed base, particularly when microsoft is sure to remain competitive..

I hear what you are saying and i am 10000% sure you know way more than i do when it comes to this stuff. and yeah, it is always hard to get the enterprise market to move to new technology, heck how many corp machines still use internet explorer 6 making life hell for web designers, lol. But on the other side of the coin, right now companies are struggling to return to profitability not through growing business but by cutting expenses. At some point you run out of jobs and factories to cut, and that is when the harder decisions are made. All the companies reporting profits on wall street are doing it through getting leaner and meaner, not making and selling more widgets. I am sure over the next few years with google's push into enterprise there will be lots of opportunity for department heads to cut deep swaths into their budgets.

And i am sure msft can stay competitive on features, they are the standard and really sit alone there, but I don't think they will have an easy time being competitive on price when things move to cloud, google is seeing efficiencies in their data centers that nobody else is touching, and they are the ones with economies of scale on their side.

At the end of the day it will be a numbers game, i think google has the advantage of cost if technology moves in that direction. I think the most telling thing is msfts moves over the last year or two to establish a beach head in googles sandbox and all the noise they are making about future os's being moved online, if that is the case they are already playing catchup.

If there is one thing this economy has shown us, it is that NO company is really a bulletproof blue chip, and history has told us time and time again, innovation can come from the smallest garage and end up changing the world. At one time ibm laughed msft out of the room and didn't see software as a business, just as msft didn't see search and online computing as a serious business at one time either.

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I don't get the "Chrome OS" idea.

I've learned Android to make some phone apps on their platform, and I've read that Android will become an OS for netbooks.

So will this "Chrome OS" be a rebranded Android...or are they dumping Android and writing something new for Desktops?

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I don't get the "Chrome OS" idea.

I've learned Android to make some phone apps on their platform, and I've read that Android will become an OS for netbooks.

So will this "Chrome OS" be a rebranded Android...or are they dumping Android and writing something new for Desktops?

don't know but i assume they will be very similar, in the way that the iphone is a mini version of osX.

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I don't get the "Chrome OS" idea.

I've learned Android to make some phone apps on their platform, and I've read that Android will become an OS for netbooks.

So will this "Chrome OS" be a rebranded Android...or are they dumping Android and writing something new for Desktops?

FTA

Google Chrome OS is a new project, separate from Android. Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems. While there are areas where Google Chrome OS and Android overlap, we believe choice will drive innovation for the benefit of everyone, including Google.

I would love to try Android OS

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I hear what you are saying and i am 10000% sure you know way more than i do when it comes to this stuff. and yeah, it is always hard to get the enterprise market to move to new technology, heck how many corp machines still use internet explorer 6 making life hell for web designers, lol. But on the other side of the coin, right now companies are struggling to return to profitability not through growing business but by cutting expenses. At some point you run out of jobs and factories to cut, and that is when the harder decisions are made. All the companies reporting profits on wall street are doing it through getting leaner and meaner, not making and selling more widgets. I am sure over the next few years with google's push into enterprise there will be lots of opportunity for department heads to cut deep swaths into their budgets.

And i am sure msft can stay competitive on features, they are the standard and really sit alone there, but I don't think they will have an easy time being competitive on price when things move to cloud, google is seeing efficiencies in their data centers that nobody else is touching, and they are the ones with economies of scale on their side.

At the end of the day it will be a numbers game, i think google has the advantage of cost if technology moves in that direction. I think the most telling thing is msfts moves over the last year or two to establish a beach head in googles sandbox and all the noise they are making about future os's being moved online, if that is the case they are already playing catchup.

If there is one thing this economy has shown us, it is that NO company is really a bulletproof blue chip, and history has told us time and time again, innovation can come from the smallest garage and end up changing the world. At one time ibm laughed msft out of the room and didn't see software as a business, just as msft didn't see search and online computing as a serious business at one time either.

I'm nto saying MS is bullet proof, just that they have a lot of ingrained advantages.. licensing might be cheaper for google, but retraining staff and developers is part of the google cost as well. Ms has been inching towards including internet in all it products with every release and now with Ray Ozzie taking over and forcing live/live mesh into the culture, that trend will only increase..

it's really hard to crack into this space, but as i conceded earlier, google stands as good a chance as anyone of doing it..

their prime advantage will be the lack of legacy suppor that hampers MS. it's alot easier to innovate and be agile when you aren't worried abiout breaking API's used by 6 year old applications running on your OS..

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I missed that gem... lol... the entire apple store is full of grumpy/unhappy users waiting to get their crap fixed...

Well, msft has seen apple's success at retail and now they are going to be opening up stores right next to the apple store. LOL, we will see who has more unhappy customers soon enough i guess.

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Well, msft has seen apple's success at retail and now they are going to be opening up stores right next to the apple store. LOL, we will see who has more unhappy customers soon enough i guess.

I read about this, who wants to play with the Zune? :rl:

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I read about this, who wants to play with the Zune? :rl:

Check out these excel macros, aaahhhhhhhhh!!!

Seriously what is the point? This has fail written all over it in so many ways, from the fact that they won't really offer much support due to hardware that is not theirs, to pissed off retailers who will feel undercut by msft going direct, to a lack of truly fun and inspirational products to show off and a host of other reasons. Apple isn't just a successful retail operation, it is the most successful retail operation there is, with revenue per square foot that blows away best buy and tiffany, attacking them head on isn't going to work. Ask dell about retail outlets. Michael Dell is still :bag: over the smack he talked on apple.

I bet these msft stores end up xbox stores in the end because that is the only thing they have really going for them that is interesting and fun. I would LOVE to see apple shoot one across msft's bow with a game console.

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