124 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Whose with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 here? probably everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Bit, how on earth can you defend this guy at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 i don't understand what you think he did wrong. Chad tore his cuff again on the hit not by playing with it. He played with it all year last year and the rest of the game. once it's torn it's torn. Not only did we lose chad we lost jay! How is losing Jay's Herm's fault? seriously I want to know. When lightening strikes twice i don't know how we can lay this on the feet of Herm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 i don't understand what you think he did wrong. Chad tore his cuff again on the hit not by playing with it. He played with it all year last year and the rest of the game. once it's torn it's torn. Not only did we lose chad we lost jay! How is losing Jay's Herm's fault? seriously I want to know. When lightening strikes twice i don't know how we can lay this on the feet of Herm. First of all it is not as simple as saying once it is torn it is torn. Read the article about Jim Miller who has had three of these surgeries. There is different degrees of tears and you can increase the damage by playing with it. Why do you think they limit innings on a pitcher who just had this surgery? You are either under-informed or ****in stupid and I'm leaning towards the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Whose with me? Now your Anti Herm?? Why did you think I was against him Playing Martin Hurt?? You don't play hurt players even if they say they can play!! This man is now and never was a Coach! He was a Manager that played people that he thought would help keep his Job! At least Wanny had the class to resign at Miami..Hermie won't do that!! He'll look for another 5 years to develop his next QB!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 You are either under-informed or ****!n stupid and I'm leaning towards the later. Im still waiting to hear how the Jay Fielder injury was Herm's fault. If we had Jay right now there wouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Im still waiting to hear how the Jay Fielder injury was Herm's fault. If we had Jay right now there wouldn't be a problem. You are just lost. I think all those hits to your head when you were a big time high school d lineman have taken thier toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 You are just lost. I think all those hits to your head when you were a big time high school d lineman have taken thier toll. Im still waiting for you to discuss like an adult. Or do you want to cry like a little kid? waaah waah Chad got hurt now my jersey is worthless WAHHH ps- I played in college too a$$hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 c'mon guys this isn't the time for personal attacks. Let's just chill out. Damnit I am so pissed off right now at all of this crap with this team. Another season pissed down the drain and it isn't even october yet. The Jets O-line is a friggin disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Im still waiting for you to discuss like an adult. Or do you want to cry like a little kid? waaah waah Chad got hurt now my jersey is worthless WAHHH ps- I played in college too a$$hole. OK so community college playing experience aside. He ruined this kids career. He sucks as a coach and will never, ever, ever coach this team to a super bowl. BTW, I don't own a CP jersey. But it is still probably woth more than a Bryan Thomas or a D Fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 OK so community college playing experience aside. Community college ball is no joke. Alot of the kids that play for top JC's go to D1 and even pros. Truth be told I couldn't play at a place like Nassau CC those guys would eat my lunch on their way to Georgia Tech. Look Rsherry i don't want to get into this crap. You are mad/sad we all are. Don't make me the enemy bro. Im a jets fan just like you. You think this is Herm's fault, that's great. Ill even grant it for the sake of discussion. But i stand by the statement if we had Jay Fielder this wouldn't be quite as catastrophic. if you can explain how Herm's coaching hurt FIelder I'd love to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 But i stand by the statement if we had Jay Fielder this wouldn't be quite as catastrophic. Yes it would be. We didnt lose Chad for a few games or even for the season. We most likely lost him forever. After this year we are gonna have to go and hunt for a QB who can take us to the promised land in the next 2-3 year window we have. And Jay Fielder is not that guy... Fielder is another stop gap jabronie. A guy you play for a few games here and there, definetly no long term answer. THis sucks big ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Community college ball is no joke. Alot of the kids that play for top JC's go to D1 and even pros. Truth be told I couldn't play at a place like Nassau CC those guys would eat my lunch on their way to Georgia Tech. Look Rsherry i don't want to get into this crap. You are mad/sad we all are. Don't make me the enemy bro. Im a jets fan just like you. You think this is Herm's fault, that's great. Ill even grant it for the sake of discussion. But i stand by the statement if we had Jay Fielder this wouldn't be quite as catastrophic. if you can explain how Herm's coaching hurt FIelder I'd love to hear it. Yeah, I'm sorry dude. I got carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Fielder is another stop gap jabronie. some would say Trent Dilfer was a stop gap - if your defense is good enough you can win the big game even with a stop gap. The Jets don't have a viable QB on the roster right now. That's not Herm's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 some would say Trent Dilfer was a stop gap - if your defense is good enough you can win the big game even with a stop gap. The Jets don't have a viable QB on the roster right now. That's not Herm's fault. When did I blame Herm? Yes, Dilfer is a nice analogy but unfortunately we dont have a 2000 Raven like defense. We dont have a running attack like Jamal Lewis circa 2000, we dont have Jermaine Lewis returning punts and kick offs, we dont have a good veteran kicker like Stover (i like nugent but history shows rookie kickers struggle), and the ravens didnt have an all time great dynasty to contend with in their own division. COme on Bit. This is no good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 some would say Trent Dilfer was a stop gap - if your defense is good enough you can win the big game even with a stop gap. The Jets don't have a viable QB on the roster right now. That's not Herm's fault. Bit you are the biggest homer on the board. herm ruined penne's career not Fiedler's. IMHO penne got hurt in KC game, he took a shot early to shoulder and you could see him wince. In any event this kid probably should have been saved for midseason at the earliest. Herm has zero common sense and he should pay for this with his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Fiedler's injury isn't even important. The Jets were not good enough to get there with him anyway. Herm ****ed this poor kid over. Just like Hackett, Cotrell and anyone else he could to save his own retarded ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Fiedler's injury isn't even important. The Jets were not good enough to get there with him anyway. I disagree - our defense is second to none. these guys are sick. They have the rushing leader from last season, who looks pretty much the same to me - what they lack is a reliable, sometimes explosive passing offense - if they had fielder (or a trent dilfer or other game manager type) they could go all the way, even still. If terry made a trade for such a player tomorrow maybe we would find out. But this is all speculation and we probably never will. The team is too capped out and that's not how this FO operates. But make no mistake this team is very similar to the 2000 Ravens we even have Donnie Henderson the same defensive leader! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I disagree - our defense is second to none. these guys are sick. Not being funny here but did you see the KC game? That was a real offense and they made our D look silly. The Jets do not have a top 5 defense, they just don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 bit i will let you keep on dreaming this D is not close to ravens super bowl D we are good not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The defense needs playing time and experience. Herm has mismanaged alot during his time as head coach. I think the egg the team layed at KC is Herm's fault, because it's his job to get them ready. And, the team is a refleciton on the coach. That's true. At the end of the day, the buck stops at the head coach. While they've made the playoffs 3 out of his 4 years, they've looked like deer in headlights two of those three years. Herm isn't going anywhere right now. Injuries happen. It's the NFL. But, if the team does badly this year, anything under 9 wins, reguardless of circumstances, he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 they have an elite defense. Break it down. Abe and Ellis: best DE tandem in the league Vilma: Best young MLB in the league Drob, Barton, Law: borderline All-Pros Rhodes, Coleman: young and talented Hobson, Barrett: very underrated. Brown, Thomas, Strait: starter quality depth Reed/Pouha/Legree: the one weak spot - and scored a DefTD last week. they are an elite defense whether you want to admit it or not. People don't realize that it's very difficult to play defense without support from the offense. They got none in the KC game and just about none in the JAX game but they still played their asses off. If somehow Terry can find a QB or Bollinger is surprisingly decent they could actually win some games. But this is all probably a moot point. Mark my words though - barring further major injury - this defense is good enough to get this team to the neighborhood 8-8 with no one at QB. So put the ideas of a #1 pick out of your head, it's not gonna happen. They aren't that bad to collapse completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Bit, how on earth can you defend this guy at this point? How the flying f*ck is it his fault BOTH of his QB's got major injuries within a span of about 10 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 they have an elite defense. Break it down. Abe and Ellis: best DE tandem in the league Vilma: Best young MLB in the league Drob, Barton, Law: borderline All-Pros Rhodes, Coleman: young and talented Hobson, Barrett: very underrated. Brown, Thomas, Strait: starter quality depth Reed/Pouha/Legree: the one weak spot - and scored a DefTD last week. they are an elite defense whether you want to admit it or not. People don't realize that it's very difficult to play defense without support from the offense. They got none in the KC game and just about none in the JAX game but they still played their asses off. If somehow Terry can find a QB or Bollinger is surprisingly decent they could actually win some games. But this is all probably a moot point. Mark my words though - barring further major injury - this defense is good enough to get this team to the neighborhood 8-8 with no one at QB. So put the ideas of a #1 pick out of your head, it's not gonna happen. They aren't that bad to collapse completely. I hear you - on paper they look nice. But both on paper and in real life this D can not stop the run. The chiefs ran it down the Jets throat before the offense ever hit the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Bit, they may have the talent of an elite defense, they don't play like an elite defense. Not yet. Like I said, more playing time and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 they have an elite defense. Break it down. Abe and Ellis: best DE tandem in the league Vilma: Best young MLB in the league Drob, Barton, Law: borderline All-Pros Rhodes, Coleman: young and talented Hobson, Barrett: very underrated. Brown, Thomas, Strait: starter quality depth Reed/Pouha/Legree: the one weak spot - and scored a DefTD last week. they are an elite defense whether you want to admit it or not. People don't realize that it's very difficult to play defense without support from the offense. They got none in the KC game and just about none in the JAX game but they still played their asses off. If somehow Terry can find a QB or Bollinger is surprisingly decent they could actually win some games. But this is all probably a moot point. Mark my words though - barring further major injury - this defense is good enough to get this team to the neighborhood 8-8 with no one at QB. So put the ideas of a #1 pick out of your head, it's not gonna happen. They aren't that bad to collapse completely. I think you're overrating the defense slightly. But theres always room for improvement. Anyhow, I think that jets could get 7-8 wins this season. Alot depends on Herm. Guys on defense cant be happy with Bollinger playing on the otehr side of the ball. The worst that could happen is if Herm completely loses the team. We've already seen punches thrown on the sideline. And if Bollinger turns out to be that bad, he might actually lose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 How the flying f*ck is it his fault BOTH of his QB's got major injuries within a span of about 10 minutes? It's not, but the fact remains that Pennington was rushed back from this injury in a time frame that defied medical logic. No one had ever come back from rotator cuff surgery as quickly as Chad. The guy was not ready and it would have been prudent to go with Fiedler for the first half of the season. Herm, Bradway and the team doctors all share in the blame. At some point the coach has to make a decision on who plays, not the player. This goes for Chad, Curtis and anyone else that hurts the team by playing hurt. Mismanagement has probably ended Chad's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 How the flying f*ck is it his fault BOTH of his QB's got major injuries within a span of about 10 minutes? Hey J-Mac - good game yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 It's not, but the fact remains that Pennington was rushed back from this injury in a time frame that defied medical logic. No one had ever come back from rotator cuff surgery as quickly as Chad. The guy was not ready and it would have been prudent to go with Fiedler for the first half of the season. Herm, Bradway and the team doctors all share in the blame. At some point the coach has to make a decision on who plays, not the player. This goes for Chad, Curtis and anyone else that hurts the team by playing hurt. Mismanagement has probably ended Chad's career. Not to mention the fact that Fiedler would have been more prepared and less likely to get hurt had he been starting the season like he should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Chiefs are the only team we have faced the last year that has dominated us with their run game. And that was mostly in the 1st Q with their tosses off tackle to the left and the Jets werent ready for it. WE did get owned by the Chiefs Oline, but in the 2nd half the defense stood its ground. Definetly a stout run defense to say the least. Jets defense is good, very good. It will keep us in most of our remaining games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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