visajets Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Are you dissing him or complimenting Cromartie? I don't know much about him. Could not stand Rhodes attitude.. I didn't see any fire. Cromartie is a BEAST and he likes to celebrate after a big play. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Any chance we move up to get Eric Berry? Just askin' We've been pretty aggressive in years past. I'm not sure the enitre draft would do it. There's a point system you can look up but I'm too lazy to do it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I really hope that we have something in mind (like signing Atogwe to an offer that the Rams have to refuse). I don't like the idea of giving up an established starter for a 3rd day pick (no matter how much of an underachiever he may be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Any chance we move up to get Eric Berry? Just askin' We've been pretty aggressive in years past. That would probably take every pick we have this year and then some. Mangini isn't running the show in Cleveland anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Just a thought here. I know it's a need now but can we please not make Bethea the second coming. He's a really good, tough player and would be an upgrade but let's not go overboard. I hope we don't give up a 1st for him. Most Jets fans still think in terms of the individual. Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. Most fans will want a "stud" they can worship and a jersey to buy. Personally, I just want a FS that plays the position the way it should be played in Rex's defense. That player doesn't need to be a stud or a star, just a player that does his job. Rhodes consistently didn't do his job. Last year. The year before. He didn't do his job, and made the players around him worse... not better. Others will cry if we don't replace their "star" with another "star." I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Just a thought here. I know it's a need now but can we please not make Bethea the second coming. He's a really good, tough player and would be an upgrade but let's not go overboard. I hope we don't give up a 1st for him. Yep. Supposedly with the uncapped rules, teams will be trying to negotiate down the pick compensation for RFAs. That's why Marshall left Seattle without an offersheet. Supposedly, the Seahawks will be working with Denver trying lower the pick. I'd be okay with the Jets 2nd, but nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Kerry clearly didn't want to play here anymore so I'm glad he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Most Jets fans still think in terms of the individual. Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. Most fans will want a "stud" they can worship and a jersey to buy. Personally, I just want a FS that plays the position the way it should be played in Rex's defense. That player doesn't need to be a stud or a star, just a player that does his job. Rhodes consistently didn't do his job. Last year. The year before. He didn't do his job, and made the players around him worse... not better. Others will cry if we don't replace their "star" with another "star." I won't. I love this post. Excellent points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Im gonna miss his constant stuttering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Most Jets fans still think in terms of the individual. Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. Most fans will want a "stud" they can worship and a jersey to buy. Personally, I just want a FS that plays the position the way it should be played in Rex's defense. That player doesn't need to be a stud or a star, just a player that does his job. Rhodes consistently didn't do his job. Last year. The year before. He didn't do his job, and made the players around him worse... not better. Others will cry if we don't replace their "star" with another "star." I won't. Well said. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Any chance we move up to get Eric Berry? Just askin' We've been pretty aggressive in years past. You could go and get Ed Reed himself for about 1/4 of the cost it would take to get Berry at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigL Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Yep. Supposedly with the uncapped rules, teams will be trying to negotiate down the pick compensation for RFAs. That's why Marshall left Seattle without an offersheet. Supposedly, the Seahawks will be working with Denver trying lower the pick. I'd be okay with the Jets 2nd, but nothing more. a second for bethea is a good move. We grab a solid pass rusher in the first... 2nd to bethea maybe move up in the 3rd and grab shipley. aka superbowl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Kerry clearly didn't want to play here anymore so I'm glad he's gone. Hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Most Jets fans still think in terms of the individual. Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. Most fans will want a "stud" they can worship and a jersey to buy. Personally, I just want a FS that plays the position the way it should be played in Rex's defense. That player doesn't need to be a stud or a star, just a player that does his job. Rhodes consistently didn't do his job. Last year. The year before. He didn't do his job, and made the players around him worse... not better. Others will cry if we don't replace their "star" with another "star." I won't. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Not thrilled. Cards just got an extra 3rd, too, trading Boldin. I thought that was fair value. Tanny does all these deals when he trades for players that involve the compensatory picks, why couldn't he get that with the 2011 pick? But what's done is done. I seriously hope that some of the suggestions on here aren't in Tanny's thought process. I hope they moved Kerry thinking Smith/Ihedigbo can man the position, and maybe spend a later pick on a developmental guy. Bethea was a 6th rounder. Getting a 4th for Kerry and then turning around and spending a high pick on his replacement is poor business. Hoping for a poison pill offer sheet to Atogwe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 a second for bethea is a good move. We grab a solid pass rusher in the first... 2nd to bethea maybe move up in the 3rd and grab shipley. aka superbowl! seriously might be able to get Shipley in the 4th. If so I would droll with delight. Seriously though, if they hit a home run with the pass rusher and then could get Bethea and Ship(however it would work)...**** yeah, I'm excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Most Jets fans still think in terms of the individual. Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. Most fans will want a "stud" they can worship and a jersey to buy. Personally, I just want a FS that plays the position the way it should be played in Rex's defense. That player doesn't need to be a stud or a star, just a player that does his job. Rhodes consistently didn't do his job. Last year. The year before. He didn't do his job, and made the players around him worse... not better. Others will cry if we don't replace their "star" with another "star." I won't. LOL, this other FS guy sounds like he'll do alright but he'll only have like 5 twitter followers......PASS, ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Rhodes did NOT make this team better, so the key is finding a player that complements the rest of the players around him... thus improving the whole. I agree 100,000,000 % ... theres a multitude of genius's that don't agree with that but I'd have been up for flat cutting him. Obviously no need to do that - so anything we get with those picks is gravy in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I agree 100,000,000 % ... theres a multitude of genius's that don't agree with that but I'd have been up for flat cutting him. Obviously no need to do that - so anything we get with those picks is gravy in my book. Yeah, I think Rex knows what this team needs (or doesn't) on defense. I'm fine with the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Well said! I agree, but the thing is we only got a 4th round back from him. What the hell are we going to find with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 How did we improve our defense with this trade? I wouldve rather Kerry RHodes played 1 more year under the Rex defense then trade him if he sucked again. We just opened another unnecessary hole for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I agree, but the thing is we only got a 4th round back from him. What the hell are we going to find with that? we do a great job with 4th round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I have 2 distinct & mutually exclusive thoughts on all this: 1. Considering what the Jets gave up for Cromartie, a better & younger player at a more important position, the Jets got fair value for Rhodes. 2. I didn't see any need in getting rid of Rhodes. I thought the solution to the Rhodes situation was Rhodes playing better. Tanny likes to fill needs in FA/trades and flexibility in the draft. Tanny just went against that. In a nutshell: good value but bad trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 You know what's funny? If the Jets had traded back from the 3rd round and gotten a 4th and a 7th, all the "trade back itzzz geennniuzzzz cuz da Pats do it" yahoos would be off to Rite-Aid for a fresh bottle of lotion. Has Tanny EVER gotten less than what a player is worth in a trade? NO. In fact, he is notorious for fleecing other teams. So, my confidence is in his ability to move Rhodes (a mediocre player) for mediocre picks. At the end of the day, so far this offseason the Jets have netted Antonio Cromartie, a 2010 4th rounder and a 2011 7th rounder... in exchange for Rhodes and a 2011 3rd rounder. IMO Cromartie for Rhodes is a wash. Therefore our 2011 3rd rounder was turned into a 2010 4th and a 2011 7th. Which is, I think, tilted in favor of the Jets getting more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 When did Rhodes make a Probowl? Was I hibernating or something? Dolphins fans thinks he's a ProBowl safety Kerry Rhodes traded to the Cardinals Quote: Adam_Schefter Filed to ESPN: Arizona trades a fourth-round pick this year and a seventh next year for Jets S Kerry Rhodes Well, he was a pro bowl Safety so his leaving the division is only good news for the Dolphins. imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Yeah, I think Rex knows what this team needs (or doesn't) on defense. I'm fine with the 4th. Yeah, based on his talent I can understand why guys like slats would want a little more but I like where the majority of fans are going. Good riddance basically. He was a train with square wheels. A water gun that squirts jelly. A charlie in the box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 we do a great job with 4th round picks. Yeah, except for what's his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 You know what's funny? If the Jets had traded back from the 3rd round and gotten a 4th and a 7th, all the "trade back itzzz geennniuzzzz cuz da Pats do it" yahoos would be off to Rite-Aid for a fresh bottle of lotion. Has Tanny EVER gotten less than what a player is worth in a trade? NO. In fact, he is notorious for fleecing other teams. So, my confidence is in his ability to move Rhodes (a mediocre player) for mediocre picks. At the end of the day, so far this offseason the Jets have netted Antonio Cromartie, a 2010 4th rounder and a 2011 7th rounder... in exchange for Rhodes and a 2011 3rd rounder. IMO Cromartie for Rhodes is a wash. Therefore our 2011 3rd rounder was turned into a 2010 4th and a 2011 7th. Which is, I think, tilted in favor of the Jets getting more.... ok, so we don't need to go after a cb in the first two rounds, but now we need to get a safety. This draft had some decent cb's, but safeties i'm not to sure about. Unless we work a trade for one or try and sign one. This trade made us weaker in the fact that we still need to replace rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 How did we improve our defense with this trade? I wouldve rather Kerry RHodes played 1 more year under the Rex defense then trade him if he sucked again. We just opened another unnecessary hole for no reason What is he worth if he sucks again next year, if he was only worth a 4th now? Who do you think knows there **** better, you or Rex Ryan? We where not a better team with Rhodes, he become an even bigger liability with the Cromartie signing. I don't like Cromartie's attitude towards contact but I can forgive a corner who's a ***** with hitting more so then a safety but no way we can have them both back there at the same timeplaying tummy sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Im not gonna complain about the trade until the end results are in. If we find a good replacement for value thats all that matters. Kerry wasnt a Rex type of player. Lets all move on--------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Yeah, based on his talent I can understand why guys like slats would want a little more... I'm not gonna bitch about it, just a little disappointed. Just thought he was worth the 3rd - especially with the Cards having a couple of them. ok, so we don't need to go after a cb in the first two rounds, but now we need to get a safety. This draft had some decent cb's, but safeties i'm not to sure about. Unless we work a trade for one or try and sign one. This trade made us weaker in the fact that we still need to replace rhodes. I really, really hope they aren't thinking that way. I'd like to think Tanny has a firmer plan in place. That either they're reasonably satisfied with Smith/Ihedgibo, plan to go after Atogwe, or have some other low cost (especially in picks) idea in mind. Getting a fourth for Kerry, then spending a 1st or 2nd on his replacement would piss me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Isnt Otogwe/Atogwe whatever the hell his name is an UFA? If he is we can't sign him SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Getting a 4th for Kerry and then turning around and spending a high pick on his replacement is poor business. It could be looked at as poor business if the player you trade was getting the job done to the expectations of the team and had an upside. I'll trust Rex that he wasn't doing the job necessary (and wholeheartedly agree) with more potential downside, like sitting on the bench, than upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Isnt Otogwe/Atogwe whatever the hell his name is an UFA? If he is we can't sign him SMH He's an RFA, but only at a "right of first refusal" offer. We can sign him under those rules and if St Louis doesn't match, we owe them nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Isnt Otogwe/Atogwe whatever the hell his nameis a UFA? If he is we can't sign him SMH He's a RFA with the lowest "right of first refusal" tender placed on him - no picks involved! A poison pill deal gets it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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