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15 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Another great episode.

Carol's so ******* good. Revisiting the convo we all had last week... once again, the sentiment "you aren't the good guys" is dropped in. I dig the way this is setting up... 

She had a point.

The Alexandrian's actions, even Negan's actions against the Hilltop factored in, are very Governoresqe.  I believe someone in here made that point earlier.

The first encounter was kind of hard to avoid, but the last two the Alexandrians did not leave anyone alive.

 

 

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On March 14, 2016 at 10:02 AM, JiF said:

Another great episode.   I knew they'd weasel their way out but I was really thinking that someone would be left behind to tell the story and talk about Rick to Negan.  Though I do love how the two crews are still a bit of mystery to each other. 

So as of now, Rick's crew has completely embarrassed Negan's crew.  Every single run in so far, Rick's crew has just out right owned them.  And now they have their guns too?  But, you have to assume Negan has more.  The writers have really made them look like a bunch of blow hard tough guys with no substance.  I wonder how much of Negan's crew is made up ordinary people (like Alexandria) as opposed to bad ass mofo's who have had to endure to stay alive?  So far, they've portrayed them as mad ass mofo's but Rick's crew keeps getting the upper hand. Each scene, they've talked a tough game but got their ass whipped. 

Carrol is the best character on the show, hands down.  The character building they're doing with her is outstanding.  She's by far had the most complex story line of them all.  You have to wonder how much Morgan's pussification is influencing her. If he never showed, would she just be as ruthless as ever?  I loved when she told the Red Head, "you dont want me to go back to my normal code" or whatever words she used.  So awesome. I want to have her babies. 

It's going to be real interesting to see the following:

- how big is Negan's crew?

- what does their "base" operations looks like, considering they were over a half hour away trying to get to that hide out.

- what's the retaliation

- how is The Hilltop going to respond to Rick's crew?  They obviously know he hasnt killed Negan.  Does Rick's crew?

- how does Negan respond to the Hill Top since they technically dont know about Alexandria.

- who gets the bat treatment and how?

- I wonder how many more factions are out there that Jesus knows about but hasnt shared?

 

 

The more this plays out the more I think Daryl is getting the bat treatment..he's clearly Ricks 2nd in charge right now. He's killed more Saviors than anyone, they know who he is, and he doesn't have a pregnant wife.

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11 minutes ago, Jolot said:

The more this plays out the more I think Daryl is getting the bat treatment..he's clearly Ricks 2nd in charge right now. He's killed more Saviors than anyone, they know who he is, and he doesn't have a pregnant wife.

Plus it would be interesting to see what state of mind this would put Carol in if this happens; does she go back to badass Carol, or just snap completely. 

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12 hours ago, PFSIKH said:

She had a point.

The Alexandrian's actions, even Negan's actions against the Hilltop factored in, are very Governoresqe.  I believe someone in here made that point earlier.

The first encounter was kind of hard to avoid, but the last two the Alexandrians did not leave anyone alive.

 

 

Yea, I've been making the point that the writers are setting this up where Rick's crew may become the bad guys... or at least they've created a nice moral dilemma about which set of bad guys to root for.

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On March 7, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Integrity28 said:

In the scene where they were choosing which head to use as teh fake head, the Hilltop guy says "The Saviors are crazy, but they ain't got nothing on you" to Rick. Or something to that effect. Anyway, I think that was very intentional.

I also disagree, we've seen Rick bounce from "give everyone a chance" to "blood lust" to "kill first, ask questions later" throughout his arc. I don't think I'm right in my prediction, but I do think they opened the door to the possibility... which is a credit to the writers, imo. They aren't boxing themselves into an obvious and forced way to resolve the open story lines. They have options.

Ultimately, neither of them are "good"... but it becomes about righteousness. If Negan emerges as the guy with the group's best interests in mind, while Rick is driven by his selfish, stubborn, and paranoid state of mind, then I do believe the writers have an opportunity to challenge the audience with a dilemma of admitting Rick may not be the hero anymore... and that's what AMC shows are all about, moral dilemma. It's not something Rick couldn't come back from either. Which is what's so cool about it.

Also, they've spent 2 seasons building up to Negan. Do you really think they kill him right after they introduce him in this season's finale? I don't. I think Negan is this season's cliffhanger, I think he takes the upper hand, we're going to lose a well-liked character, and then next season will be all about who wins: Rick or Negan?

 

They kinda did that with Terminus.   Season of the exodus to it and in a blink of an eye , poof.  It's gone

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7 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Yea, I've been making the point that the writers are setting this up where Rick's crew may become the bad guys... or at least they've created a nice moral dilemma about which set of bad guys to root for.

Even Jesus said something to the effect of "Negan didnt even get this much" when they made the deal to kill Negan.

Its setting up to be great.  The build up to Negan has been brilliant. 

I think the moral dilemma exists and the writers have done a phenomenal job with making you think twice but the reality is, everyone alive is ****ed up in the head.  I mean, what sane group have they discovered?  Hilltop seems somewhat sane but they watched a 16 year old get his head bashed in with a baseball bat just because some guy decided that's going to be his thing.  Alexandria was tame but they didnt know sh*t about reality. 

I dont know if anyone "good" exists anymore. 

And I think they've done pretty solid job of painting Negan as a monster.  Otherwise, what's the point? 

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12 hours ago, JiF said:

Even Jesus said something to the effect of "Negan didnt even get this much" when they made the deal to kill Negan.

Its setting up to be great.  The build up to Negan has been brilliant. 

I think the moral dilemma exists and the writers have done a phenomenal job with making you think twice but the reality is, everyone alive is ****ed up in the head.  I mean, what sane group have they discovered?  Hilltop seems somewhat sane but they watched a 16 year old get his head bashed in with a baseball bat just because some guy decided that's going to be his thing.  Alexandria was tame but they didnt know sh*t about reality. 

I dont know if anyone "good" exists anymore. 

And I think they've done pretty solid job of painting Negan as a monster.  Otherwise, what's the point? 

Which means to me if someone does get killed by Negan, it's going to be in spectacularly brutal fashion to be sure. 

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On 3/17/2016 at 9:33 PM, PFSIKH said:

She had a point.

The Alexandrian's actions, even Negan's actions against the Hilltop factored in, are very Governoresqe.  I believe someone in here made that point earlier.

The first encounter was kind of hard to avoid, but the last two the Alexandrians did not leave anyone alive.

 

23 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Yea, I've been making the point that the writers are setting this up where Rick's crew may become the bad guys... or at least they've created a nice moral dilemma about which set of bad guys to root for.

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye
There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy
There's only you and me and we just disagree
Ooh-hoo-hoo, oh-oh-ho

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I just started re-reading some of the comics again (TWD Compendium 3) to refresh my memory on what happens with the Saviors and Alexandria, and the first 50 pages of the comics is almost exactly what happened in tonights episode.

Unless they add a filler episode, I'm expecting Negan to show up at the end of this season. 

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2 hours ago, Fishooked said:

I just started re-reading some of the comics again (TWD Compendium 3) to refresh my memory on what happens with the Saviors and Alexandria, and the first 50 pages of the comics is almost exactly what happened in tonights episode.

Unless they add a filler episode, I'm expecting Negan to show up at the end of this season. 

That is what the rumors all say.  Episode 616 will be in line with Comic #100.

As far as the last night's episode, another good episode.  Best season to date, IMHO.

You kind of knew Denise was not going to make it.  Nice shot by the now scared Dwight (comic).  On a side note, my wife recognized Denise as the crazy girl in the drug store from signs that Mel warns his kids to not go near. 

This should clue the Ricktator into how the Saviors operate.  They roll deep.  The kill house had a dozen or so people.  The ambush had 10 or so people.  Their modus operandi appears to be overwhelm opponents with numbers and/or strength.  And base off of Dwight's comments, they know where Alexandria is.

Eugene......got a mouth of Dwight.

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19 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

That is what the rumors all say.  Episode 616 will be in line with Comic #100.

As far as the last night's episode, another good episode.  Best season to date, IMHO.

You kind of knew Denise was not going to make it.  Nice shot by the now scared Dwight (comic).  On a side note, my wife recognized Denise as the crazy girl in the drug store from signs that Mel warns his kids to not go near. 

This should clue the Ricktator into how the Saviors operate.  They roll deep.  The kill house had a dozen or so people.  The ambush had 10 or so people.  Their modus operandi appears to be overwhelm opponents with numbers and/or strength.  And base off of Dwight's comments, they know where Alexandria is.

Eugene......got a mouth of Dwight.

The biggest take-away, I think, is that yes, the Saviors know where Alexandria is.  However, it's got me wondering just how big the Saviors are.  They wanted to be walked through the door, which, while perhaps strategic, does this mean also that they don't have the kind of manpower to try and overwhelm the gate?  While this may be the safer play, they have to know that Alexandria isn't just going to roll over based on a couple hostages, so I wonder how many more of them there are.  Glenn's comments in the "next week" give you the impression that they're big, which we knew, but I guess just how much damage the RPG and the assault on the base did is in question.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this opens the door for perhaps Carol to be the one who is killed by Negan?  Do they go search for Carol, find Negan, and see him kill her?  I kind of doubt this, but I think it's certainly more possible now than before last episode...

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50 minutes ago, gEYno said:

The biggest take-away, I think, is that yes, the Saviors know where Alexandria is.  However, it's got me wondering just how big the Saviors are.  They wanted to be walked through the door, which, while perhaps strategic, does this mean also that they don't have the kind of manpower to try and overwhelm the gate?  While this may be the safer play, they have to know that Alexandria isn't just going to roll over based on a couple hostages, so I wonder how many more of them there are.  Glenn's comments in the "next week" give you the impression that they're big, which we knew, but I guess just how much damage the RPG and the assault on the base did is in question.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this opens the door for perhaps Carol to be the one who is killed by Negan?  Do they go search for Carol, find Negan, and see him kill her?  I kind of doubt this, but I think it's certainly more possible now than before last episode...

 

I think after this week it's no doubt that Darryl gets killed. This is the 2nd time he's been involved in a standoff with Negan's men., whether or not Negan witnessed the RPG-ing from a vehicle is debatable...but this time Negan will have Dwight reporting the outcome to him.  

He does not know Rick or any of Rick's people, but he will find out soon enough about Darryl. 

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1 hour ago, gEYno said:

The biggest take-away, I think, is that yes, the Saviors know where Alexandria is.  However, it's got me wondering just how big the Saviors are.  They wanted to be walked through the door, which, while perhaps strategic, does this mean also that they don't have the kind of manpower to try and overwhelm the gate?  While this may be the safer play, they have to know that Alexandria isn't just going to roll over based on a couple hostages, so I wonder how many more of them there are.  Glenn's comments in the "next week" give you the impression that they're big, which we knew, but I guess just how much damage the RPG and the assault on the base did is in question.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this opens the door for perhaps Carol to be the one who is killed by Negan?  Do they go search for Carol, find Negan, and see him kill her?  I kind of doubt this, but I think it's certainly more possible now than before last episode...

We are thinking all the same things, brother.  How big can they be after all the carnage?  And while they seem organized and militant, they're terrible from an execution standpoint.  I think it's pretty clear at this point, that Rick's crew is much more experienced than Negan and has the upper hand in combat situations.  My guess, is the Saviors havent faced much resistance because once again, they had them by the balls and Rick's crew came out on top.   Literally, the only positive that the Saviors have made was taking out the Crew's doctor.  Otherwise, they've been completely embarrassed.

Good episode, great season so far, the only thing disappointing about that episode was it was the most predictable one in a long time.  You knew Eugene was going to get in some trouble when he told Abraham basically, **** off.  And you knew when Darryl decided to take the tracks home, that there was going to be a run in with the Saviors.  I thought it was pretty clear the Doc was dead the second she proposed the idea to go outside the walls.  

I have no clue who's getting the bat treatment.  We all know its coming, no doubt about it but who?  I cant see it being Carol, she's become by far the most complex character on the entire show and she's probably the best actor too.  Plus, you know damn well she's going to come through in some type of epic Carol way.  I'm guessing Darryl or Abraham get the bat treatment. 

The episode left me with questions:

The dude with crossbow was definitely the guy who Darryl met in the burnt forest but was his face burnt like that?  I'm guessing that was punishment from trying to leave Negan's crew?

And if so, you have to wonder the dynamic of what happened there?  He was trying to escape, clearly he didnt like Negan's rules but now he's back doing his dirty work and the price he paid was losing half his face?     

Also, who's idea was it to be asked to be escorted into Alexandria?  Do you think when they captured Eugene they called Negan for advice?  Because being asked to be escorted in makes them seem weak.  It seemed once again like they had a plan but didnt realize how the planned kind of tips off Rick's crew about their presence.  And how did they know Eugene was part of Alexandria? 

And since the episode acknowledges the Saviors knowledge of Alexandria, what's going on at the Hilltop?  Clearly this episode was days/weeks after the massacre.  Seems strange to me that the first order of business for the Saviors would be to confront the Hilltop, no? 

And WTF is going in the mind of Morgan?  

 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Fishooked said:

 

I think after this week it's no doubt that Darryl gets killed. This is the 2nd time he's been involved in a standoff with Negan's men., whether or not Negan witnessed the RPG-ing from a vehicle is debatable...but this time Negan will have Dwight reporting the outcome to him.  

He does not know Rick or any of Rick's people, but he will find out soon enough about Darryl. 

You dont think they've discussed Darryl?  I mean, he's rolling around with his crossbow.  lol

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1 minute ago, Fishooked said:

Well at the time they encountered him he was alone, Dwight didn't know he was part of a larger group...until now. 

I thought they talked about it him having a place when they were out in the woods.  I mean, Darryl was essentially a recruiter.

And if that's the case, how did they know that Darryl knew Eugene and how did they know about Alexandria? 

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1 minute ago, JiF said:

I thought they talked about it him having a place when they were out in the woods.  I mean, Darryl was essentially a recruiter.

And if that's the case, how did they know that Darryl knew Eugene and how did they know about Alexandria? 

It's Monday and my brain is fried, so I don't recall those episodes exactly. You may be right though. 

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2 minutes ago, Fishooked said:

It's Monday and my brain is fried, so I don't recall those episodes exactly. You may be right though. 

I'll have to watch that episode again but I could have sworn they talked about going back to Alexandria before they back stabbed him.

 

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12 minutes ago, JiF said:

I'll have to watch that episode again but I could have sworn they talked about going back to Alexandria before they back stabbed him.

 

Yeah its definitely possible, that was around the time when Darryl was hanging around with Aaron for a spell, so that makes sense. 

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56 minutes ago, JiF said:

We are thinking all the same things, brother.  How big can they be after all the carnage?  And while they seem organized and militant, they're terrible from an execution standpoint.  I think it's pretty clear at this point, that Rick's crew is much more experienced than Negan and has the upper hand in combat situations.  My guess, is the Saviors havent faced much resistance because once again, they had them by the balls and Rick's crew came out on top.   Literally, the only positive that the Saviors have made was taking out the Crew's doctor.  Otherwise, they've been completely embarrassed.

Good episode, great season so far, the only thing disappointing about that episode was it was the most predictable one in a long time.  You knew Eugene was going to get in some trouble when he told Abraham basically, **** off.  And you knew when Darryl decided to take the tracks home, that there was going to be a run in with the Saviors.  I thought it was pretty clear the Doc was dead the second she proposed the idea to go outside the walls.  

I have no clue who's getting the bat treatment.  We all know its coming, no doubt about it but who?  I cant see it being Carol, she's become by far the most complex character on the entire show and she's probably the best actor too.  Plus, you know damn well she's going to come through in some type of epic Carol way.  I'm guessing Darryl or Abraham get the bat treatment. 

The episode left me with questions:

The dude with crossbow was definitely the guy who Darryl met in the burnt forest but was his face burnt like that?  I'm guessing that was punishment from trying to leave Negan's crew?

And if so, you have to wonder the dynamic of what happened there?  He was trying to escape, clearly he didnt like Negan's rules but now he's back doing his dirty work and the price he paid was losing half his face?     

Also, who's idea was it to be asked to be escorted into Alexandria?  Do you think when they captured Eugene they called Negan for advice?  Because being asked to be escorted in makes them seem weak.  It seemed once again like they had a plan but didnt realize how the planned kind of tips off Rick's crew about their presence.  And how did they know Eugene was part of Alexandria? 

And since the episode acknowledges the Saviors knowledge of Alexandria, what's going on at the Hilltop?  Clearly this episode was days/weeks after the massacre.  Seems strange to me that the first order of business for the Saviors would be to confront the Hilltop, no? 

And WTF is going in the mind of Morgan?  

Hahaha... Many questions.

First, "they had them by the balls and Rick's crew came out on top." Pun intended?

It was a little bit predictable, but ultimately, while we may not be reading the comics, we kind of know what's going on.  Remember, if you had 0 outside knowledge, you'd at least be open to the possibility that Negan was killed, though not convinced.

I agree Carol is one of the best characters, but it's also possible the actress is moving on from the show and she's also not a part of the comic if I remember.  So, for the same reasons we're expecting Darryl to die, we could expect Carol to.  That said, I don't think it happens, but it's worth considering.

I'm sure the face was punishment, and I think it speaks to Negan's power over these people.

Also curious about Jesus and Hilltop at this point.

Next week should be huge.

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28 minutes ago, JiF said:

And if that's the case, how did they know that Darryl knew Eugene and how did they know about Alexandria? 

In this case, either they've been watching too, or, quite possibly, a little bit of a plot hole.

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46 minutes ago, JiF said:

I thought they talked about it him having a place when they were out in the woods.  I mean, Darryl was essentially a recruiter.

And if that's the case, how did they know that Darryl knew Eugene and how did they know about Alexandria? 

Pretty sure he asked Dwight and the girl (can't remember her name) the 3 questions -- was the first time he got burned on it.  He was walking his bike back out, going to lead them to Alexandria when he saw them pulling a gun on him in his mirror.

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22 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Hahaha... Many questions.

First, "they had them by the balls and Rick's crew came out on top." Pun intended?

It was a little bit predictable, but ultimately, while we may not be reading the comics, we kind of know what's going on.  Remember, if you had 0 outside knowledge, you'd at least be open to the possibility that Negan was killed, though not convinced.

I agree Carol is one of the best characters, but it's also possible the actress is moving on from the show and she's also not a part of the comic if I remember.  So, for the same reasons we're expecting Darryl to die, we could expect Carol to.  That said, I don't think it happens, but it's worth considering.

I'm sure the face was punishment, and I think it speaks to Negan's power over these people.

Also curious about Jesus and Hilltop at this point.

Next week should be huge.

Eh...slightly disagree.  By the end of the episode before last Carol had already been told "we are all Negan" -- and the Saviors that had taken Maggie and Carol had already referenced to the guy Rick shot by a different name.

As for Carol being the one to go, IDK.  I see what you're saying, but her evolution throughout the duration of the show has sort of been the perfect embodiment of what this new world can do, no?  I've seen you guys referencing Rick's group becoming the bad guys and facing the moral dilemma of which group of bad guys to root for but that's the journey Carol individually has already taken the audience on, in a sense.  

Her sudden change the past several episodes reminds me of what Rick said to Morgan way back 3 seasons or so again when we were at the prison -- you can come back from this.  That's sort of an underlying theme, redemption, that we see from each character.  Now I almost believe they're trying to show that Carol realizes she's gone too far and is trying to find a greater balance -- perhaps swinging back to the Morgan side of the pendulum.  Can't see them killing her off in the middle of that, though lots can happen over the course of two episodes.

I feel like it's Abraham, personally.  Just too much of the foreshadowing we've seen with characters of the past between him going all in for Sasha and even his reaction to Maggie's ultrasound photo.  Darryl is certainly right there with maybe Glen on the next level down.  I was a bit worried when Michonne became Rick's new thing, too.

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18 minutes ago, AVM said:

Eh...slightly disagree.  By the end of the episode before last Carol had already been told "we are all Negan" -- and the Saviors that had taken Maggie and Carol had already referenced to the guy Rick shot by a different name.

As for Carol being the one to go, IDK.  I see what you're saying, but her evolution throughout the duration of the show has sort of been the perfect embodiment of what this new world can do, no?  I've seen you guys referencing Rick's group becoming the bad guys and facing the moral dilemma of which group of bad guys to root for but that's the journey Carol individually has already taken the audience on, in a sense.  

Her sudden change the past several episodes reminds me of what Rick said to Morgan way back 3 seasons or so again when we were at the prison -- you can come back from this.  That's sort of an underlying theme, redemption, that we see from each character.  Now I almost believe they're trying to show that Carol realizes she's gone too far and is trying to find a greater balance -- perhaps swinging back to the Morgan side of the pendulum.  Can't see them killing her off in the middle of that, though lots can happen over the course of two episodes.

I feel like it's Abraham, personally.  Just too much of the foreshadowing we've seen with characters of the past between him going all in for Sasha and even his reaction to Maggie's ultrasound photo.  Darryl is certainly right there with maybe Glen on the next level down.  I was a bit worried when Michonne became Rick's new thing, too.

I don't think they would take Michonne so quickly after Jessie was taken from him. 

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1 hour ago, gEYno said:

Hahaha... Many questions.

First, "they had them by the balls and Rick's crew came out on top." Pun intended?

It was a little bit predictable, but ultimately, while we may not be reading the comics, we kind of know what's going on.  Remember, if you had 0 outside knowledge, you'd at least be open to the possibility that Negan was killed, though not convinced.

I agree Carol is one of the best characters, but it's also possible the actress is moving on from the show and she's also not a part of the comic if I remember.  So, for the same reasons we're expecting Darryl to die, we could expect Carol to.  That said, I don't think it happens, but it's worth considering.

I'm sure the face was punishment, and I think it speaks to Negan's power over these people.

Also curious about Jesus and Hilltop at this point.

Next week should be huge.

Pun definitely intended.

I know nothing about the comics other than what the few the read them post here. so not sure how the story line follows, who's in it, etc.  So I base everything on the show and my opinion of what's going to happen.

Good point on Carol.  She could be getting a lot of attention out there for other roles.  She's great and I love her.

They are doing an amazing job at slowly, building Negan into a monster.  I love it.  This build up has been outstanding.

 

 

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1 hour ago, AVM said:

Pretty sure he asked Dwight and the girl (can't remember her name) the 3 questions -- was the first time he got burned on it.  He was walking his bike back out, going to lead them to Alexandria when he saw them pulling a gun on him in his mirror.

So meaning, he was about to intro them to the place and never got a chance because they turned on him? 

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1 hour ago, AVM said:

Eh...slightly disagree.  By the end of the episode before last Carol had already been told "we are all Negan" -- and the Saviors that had taken Maggie and Carol had already referenced to the guy Rick shot by a different name.

As for Carol being the one to go, IDK.  I see what you're saying, but her evolution throughout the duration of the show has sort of been the perfect embodiment of what this new world can do, no?  I've seen you guys referencing Rick's group becoming the bad guys and facing the moral dilemma of which group of bad guys to root for but that's the journey Carol individually has already taken the audience on, in a sense.  

Her sudden change the past several episodes reminds me of what Rick said to Morgan way back 3 seasons or so again when we were at the prison -- you can come back from this.  That's sort of an underlying theme, redemption, that we see from each character.  Now I almost believe they're trying to show that Carol realizes she's gone too far and is trying to find a greater balance -- perhaps swinging back to the Morgan side of the pendulum.  Can't see them killing her off in the middle of that, though lots can happen over the course of two episodes.

I feel like it's Abraham, personally.  Just too much of the foreshadowing we've seen with characters of the past between him going all in for Sasha and even his reaction to Maggie's ultrasound photo.  Darryl is certainly right there with maybe Glen on the next level down.  I was a bit worried when Michonne became Rick's new thing, too.

I like your take.  That's why I was saying, there arent any good people anymore.  The writers can try to create a moral dilemma but the dilemma is gone.  Everyone is ****ed in the head.  The new world has everyone ****ed in the head to some degree.  Just look at Eugen, the Priset and even Morgan had to join in and he's the loudest voice in the "non-violent" movement.  lol

I agree with Abraham.  It's a big enough character that he's not cop-out so to speak from the writers but he's not big enough to where viewers are going to feel lost.  I think that would happen with Darryl, Glenn and Carol.  And I dont see it being Glenn.  Not after the whole, is he dead fiasco and pregnancy thing.  To turn around and kill him would seem like a waste of time.

With Abraham, it all kind of makes sense.  Especially with Sasha and him kind of connecting, everyone that gets close to Sasha dies.  lol

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fishooked said:

I don't think they would take Michonne so quickly after Jessie was taken from him. 

Generally I would agree, and it's why I have her lower on the list.  I could just see it as being possible.  You know...the second you get comfortable in this world you're dead, that kind of thing?

The counter to that would be that Michonne has shown no signs of getting comfortable, not that we've seen a tremendous amount of her since they hooked up.

34 minutes ago, JiF said:

So meaning, he was about to intro them to the place and never got a chance because they turned on him? 

Right

27 minutes ago, JiF said:

I like your take.  That's why I was saying, there arent any good people anymore.  The writers can try to create a moral dilemma but the dilemma is gone.  Everyone is ****ed in the head.  The new world has everyone ****ed in the head to some degree.  Just look at Eugen, the Priset and even Morgan had to join in and he's the loudest voice in the "non-violent" movement.  lol

I agree with Abraham.  It's a big enough character that he's not cop-out so to speak from the writers but he's not big enough to where viewers are going to feel lost.  I think that would happen with Darryl, Glenn and Carol.  And I dont see it being Glenn.  Not after the whole, is he dead fiasco and pregnancy thing.  To turn around and kill him would seem like a waste of time.

With Abraham, it all kind of makes sense.  Especially with Sasha and him kind of connecting, everyone that gets close to Sasha dies.  lol

Abraham makes so much sense it almost seems too easy at times, right?  The writers have had some foreshadowing to "major" deaths in the past like T-Dog, Dale, and even Hershel...so I feel like this has all been some of that.  I don't know man, I really don't lol.

You're right with Abraham being right in the sweet spot of big character but not too big to leave a major hole...I just keep feeling like they're going to do something gut-wrenching in the finale, beyond him.

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9 minutes ago, AVM said:

Generally I would agree, and it's why I have her lower on the list.  I could just see it as being possible.  You know...the second you get comfortable in this world you're dead, that kind of thing?

The counter to that would be that Michonne has shown no signs of getting comfortable, not that we've seen a tremendous amount of her since they hooked up.

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Abraham makes so much sense it almost seems too easy at times, right?  The writers have had some foreshadowing to "major" deaths in the past like T-Dog, Dale, and even Hershel...so I feel like this has all been some of that.  I don't know man, I really don't lol.

You're right with Abraham being right in the sweet spot of big character but not too big to leave a major hole...I just keep feeling like they're going to do something gut-wrenching in the finale, beyond him.

haha - I hear ya.  The only reason why I agree is because I read an article that Rick was sick to his stomach after reading the script this season.  

However, I just learned, not sure if anyone can confirm this but in the comics, Abraham was the one with the bow in his eye and not the doctor chick.

I have no clue.  Abraham or Darryl if I'm a betting man.

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5 minutes ago, JiF said:

haha - I hear ya.  The only reason why I agree is because I read an article that Rick was sick to his stomach after reading the script this season.  

However, I just learned, not sure if anyone can confirm this but in the comics, Abraham was the one with the bow in his eye and not the doctor chick.

I have no clue.  Abraham or Darryl if I'm a betting man.

Ha -- heard the same.  Not just Rick, either -- sounds like it was a good number of the cast.

I seem to remember someone on here referencing Abraham dying to an arrow when Darryl lost his crossbow, but I thought it was that he got shot in the chest for some reason.  Either way, I had heard the same.  I'm far behind in the comics (haven't even gotten to Abraham yet), so I couldn't say one way or another for sure.

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2 minutes ago, AVM said:

Ha -- heard the same.  Not just Rick, either -- sounds like it was a good number of the cast.

I seem to remember someone on here referencing Abraham dying to an arrow when Darryl lost his crossbow, but I thought it was that he got shot in the chest for some reason.  Either way, I had heard the same.  I'm far behind in the comics (haven't even gotten to Abraham yet), so I couldn't say one way or another for sure.

Some dude in my office has read them and he had not seen last nights episode but described Abraham's death as what we saw last night, walking alone with Eugene.  

I was like, yeah, you want to see last night then.  haha

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Can't see Abraham getting killed off in the immediate future. There is an opportunity to explore the dynamic between Abraham and his two gals that hasn't been part of the story since Rick showed up and killed off Shane. It would be more likely that at the end of that storyline one of the women are killed off and maybe not Abraham's castoff. This season has dealt a lot with choices. Hard to imagine setting up that storyline only to cut it off midway through just to create a shocking end to the season.

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