Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Why are the Colts allowed to keep two RB's ... James and Rhodes ... by re-signing one and franchising the other ... and even keep their RT {Ryan Diem} by getting him re-signed before he hit the open market as well? Why are the Seahawks allowed to keep Matt Hasselbeck AND Shaun Alexander by employing the same strategy ... re-signing one and franchising the other? Why are the Raiders allowed to do the same ... re-sign Porter and franchise Woodson, thus keeping their BIG TWO free agents just before either man was to hit the street? Why are these teams all allowed to pull this off by employing the same exact strategy ... afterall, isn't this strategy against the rules? I could of sworn it was {against the rules} ... how else to explain why WE DIDN'T DO THE SAME!!! with John Abe and Lamont? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 GJ & Ham You know that Lamont as much as we want him to stay is not going to get the money or playing time guarantee he wants here. Much as I do not want him to go -I just can not see him here in a Jet uniform next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 i was wondering that too...but its still possible that we can keep both,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 And one more "WHY" while we're at it Why were we in such a hurry to use the franchise tag on John Abraham? Why didn't we use every last minute in an attempt to get this Abe re-signed to an extension, as apparantly ALL OF THE ABOVE did with one of their BIG FISHES ... so we could use the tag elsewhere, like oh say, on Lamont Jordan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 i was wondering that too...but its still possible that we can keep both,,, No, it's not possible ... Lamont is a Goner Only way to keep him would have been to tag him ... or at least place ourselves in a position to acquire a high draft pick in a trade ... but that could only have happened had we first re-signed Abe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 You really did not see any mention in the papers or media about trying to work out a deal with Abe- we basically put the tag on him to keep him and really set up ourselves as a guarantee to lose Lamont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakegeorgejet Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 No, it's not possible ... Lamont is a Goner Only way to keep him would have been to tag him ... or at least place ourselves in a position to acquire a high draft pick in a trade ... but that could only have happened had we first re-signed Abe Why would he stay? Herm has lied to him every off season - promising him more carries. Curtis had two bad ankles a couple of years ago and lamont still didn't get the ball. I would love for him to stay, but would be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 BTW, does this strategy these teams are employing ring a bell? These teams that went into the off-season with TWO BIG FREE AGENTS they wanted to keep, all using the same strategy to do so, by re-signing one guy before the deadline and then tagging the other ... does this strategy ring a bell? Anyone recall a post over at JI where a certain poster practically assured the board that the Jets would re-sign Abe to an extension prior to the deadline and then use the tag on Jordan, thus keeping both of their BIG FISHES? Well that poster {uh, me} had it right ... only he had it right for seemingly every damn team in the league that entered the off-season with two big free agents to keep EXCEPT THE JETS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Why are the Colts allowed to keep two RB's ... James and Rhodes ... by re-signing one and franchising the other ... and even keep their RT {Ryan Diem} by getting him re-signed before he hit the open market as well? Why are the Seahawks allowed to keep Matt Hasselbeck AND Shaun Alexander by employing the same strategy ... re-signing one and franchising the other? Why are the Raiders allowed to do the same ... re-sign Porter and franchise Woodson, thus keeping their BIG TWO free agents just before either man was to hit the street? Why are these teams all allowed to pull this off by employing the same exact strategy ... afterall, isn't this strategy against the rules? I could of sworn it was {against the rules} ... how else to explain why WE DIDN'T DO THE SAME!!! with John Abe and Lamont? Ham man, what are you talking about????? Did we not top them all by retaining three, count em three of our top FA's????? Pennington Ellis and Tagged ABraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Ham, at some point those teams are going to have to be the Titans of this year--lopping heads off and looking like fools. I don't even think Lamont's thing is about money anymore--the man wants and deserves carries, and unless Dinger pulls Cmart in his office and demotes him, Lamont will be in the same boat again next year, hoping to break 100 carries. Dinger wasn't able to manage the Chris Brown-Eddie George situation too gracefully, and I'm sure Lamont's agent has already mentioned this to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 No, it's not possible ... Lamont is a Goner Only way to keep him would have been to tag him ... or at least place ourselves in a position to acquire a high draft pick in a trade ... but that could only have happened had we first re-signed Abe tagging lamont would have been a terrible move man, how can you sit here and justify what 13, 14, 15 million tied up in the running back position in one year????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 MPG, I don't count Penny and Ellis cause they were both re-signed IN SEASON We went into the OFF SEASON with two big free agents to keep ... f**k fergy and K-Mac ... we needed to keep Abe and Jordan Now look at what these other teams that went into the OFF SEASON facing the same dilemma have done ... they have done EXACTLY what I suggested the Jets should/would do ... re-sign one guy before the deadline and tag the other And that's why these teams are keeping their BIG TWO while the Jets are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 You Guys are missing the point ... if I didn't have to run I'd explain it too you The short version ... if you tag Jordan you have the hammer to iron out a long-term deal with the player or trade him for something of value ... either option becomes a real one ... but this way we lose him for nothing Gotta book ... think about that for awhile, guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 MPG, I don't count Penny and Ellis cause they were both re-signed IN SEASON We went into the OFF SEASON with two big free agents to keep ... f**k fergy and K-Mac ... we needed to keep Abe and Jordan Now look at what these other teams that went into the OFF SEASON facing the same dilemma have done ... they have done EXACTLY what I suggested the Jets should/would do ... re-sign one guy before the deadline and tag the other And that's why these teams are keeping their BIG TWO while the Jets are not i still dont get it, I dont want to resign Boo Boo Abraham to any long deal he's dead in my book, D-E-A-D tag and trade him, he has more value on the market than any RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 BTW, you'll see what I mean when the Colts trade James or Rhodes ... or when they now workout a long-term deal with James ... keep an eye on the Colts cause they're about to show you what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Ham, you're forgetting the BIG factor here. Terry Bradway isn't slick enough to manage the whole now-you-seee-it-now-you-don't act with the tag while still ending up with both players. No doubt if he left the tag off of Abraham, who is leaving (I have NO doubt), that Abe would already have a contract in his back pocket from some other team and just sitting on the beach somewhere waiting for March 2nd to roll around to announce it. Then we'd lose him for zero, and we'd be paying Lamont 6 mil, with his agent haveing ALL of the leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On February 23, 2005 at 9:56 AM, Green Jets & Ham said: Why are the Colts allowed to keep two RB's ... James and Rhodes ... by re-signing one and franchising the other ... and even keep their RT {Ryan Diem} by getting him re-signed before he hit the open market as well? Why are the Seahawks allowed to keep Matt Hasselbeck AND Shaun Alexander by employing the same strategy ... re-signing one and franchising the other? Why are the Raiders allowed to do the same ... re-sign Porter and franchise Woodson, thus keeping their BIG TWO free agents just before either man was to hit the street? Why are these teams all allowed to pull this off by employing the same exact strategy ... afterall, isn't this strategy against the rules? I could of sworn it was {against the rules} ... how else to explain why WE DIDN'T DO THE SAME!!! with John Abe and Lamont? Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Come back Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On February 23, 2005 at 10:49 AM, TomShane said: Ham, you're forgetting the BIG factor here. Terry Bradway isn't slick enough to manage the whole now-you-seee-it-now-you-don't act with the tag while still ending up with both players. No doubt if he left the tag off of Abraham, who is leaving (I have NO doubt), that Abe would already have a contract in his back pocket from some other team and just sitting on the beach somewhere waiting for March 2nd to roll around to announce it. Then we'd lose him for zero, and we'd be paying Lamont 6 mil, with his agent haveing ALL of the leverage. I don't believe I typed this. I never, ever would have made the "haveing" typo. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Love this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I don't believe I typed this. I never, ever would have made the "haveing" typo. Never. Tom I spent like 73 hours editing your old posts in silent mode. Mostly I changed than to then. Some you're were change to your. History won't be kind to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: Tom I spent like 73 hours editing your old posts in silent mode. Mostly I changed than to then. Some you're were change to your. History won't be kind to you. You joke, but this is the kind of low-key insidious thing you specialize in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: You joke, but this is the kind of low-key insidious thing you specialize in. Oh I would definitely spend 73 hours of my life on a joke that would infuriate an 84 year old Tom Shane. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Lamont Jordan Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Letting Jason Ferguson go was the real mistake that offseason. That defense got run all over the next season, and of course Pennington had no arm left by then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Pennington was STILL better than washed-up Favre !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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