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[JiF]

Here's where your logic is flawed, if they had similar grades on the two players, than maturity was a major factor in picking Sanchez over Freeman.


Also, talk to me when your boy wins multiple games against teams with winning records in a season, wins a playoff game, does anything of note when anyone actually has some expectations for him.

Freeman hasn't exactly been under the same kind of scrutiny as Sanchez now has he?

1) The Jets grades suck
2) Sanchez plays on a far superior team
3) see #2

[T0mShane]

Matt Ryan is a star? When the Falcons lose their first playoff game is he still a star?

Bradford had a solid rookie year. Star? Not yet.

I'd take Freeman over Ryan honestly.

Ooh. I think Ryan is thisclose to being mentioned in the Brees-Rodgers-Rivers class, bro. I agree he's probably not there yet, but it'll take a severe drug problem or injury to keep it from happening. Bradford, though obviously really early, looks like the real thing. Not better than Sanchez, yet, but he's shown a ton of poise, accuracy and already has a higher QB rating (FWIW) than Mark. Freeman is a wild card, imo. He really, really looks the part, though. None of this is to say that Mark doesn't have the chance to be as good or better than those guys. I just pointed to those guys to say that they look like bankable stars--sure things--while Mark is still so inconsistent.

If Sanchez has years like Garcia had in San Fran...he was worth the 5th pick.

True. If he puts together anything like the three great years that Garcia had in San Fran, Jets fans will build a statue for him.

If were going to kill Sanchez for the mental part of the game...his three guys (Braylon, Santonio, Keller) have looked brain dead at times when running their routes. And his supposed security blanket(Keller) has pretty much had his head in his a$$ for the better part of the season.

Not to mention Cotchery who has double digit drops.

Sanchez has been meh, but lets not act this is all on him...the drops have been almost comical this season.

Not to exonerate any of Sanchez's receivers, but I think those guys just don't have a metric ton of faith in Sanchez's ability to get them the ball and they mentally tune out of games. We know that Santonio and Braylon are headcases anyway, but when you see a true professional like Cotchery dropping balls and being in the wrong spots, you have to wonder just how much they trust Sanchez. I liken it to a basketball team with a spotty PG. When a point guard is running the floor and moving the ball well, everybody on the team runs hard and plays better. But when the PG is sloppy with the ball and isn't getting it to the right spots, nobody runs and nobody plays as hard as they can. I don't think that Santonio or Edwards, or Keller for that matter, need much prompting to check out mentally, but when Cotch is all crossed up mentally, that's a sign of a problem.

[Matt39]

Ooh. I think Ryan is thisclose to being mentioned in the Brees-Rodgers-Rivers class, bro. I agree he's probably not there yet, but it'll take a severe drug problem or injury to keep it from happening. Bradford, though obviously really early, looks like the real thing. Not better than Sanchez, yet, but he's shown a ton of poise, accuracy and already has a higher QB rating (FWIW) than Mark. Freeman is a wild card, imo. He really, really looks the part, though. None of this is to say that Mark doesn't have the chance to be as good or better than those guys. I just pointed to those guys to say that they look like bankable stars--sure things--while Mark is still so inconsistent.




True. If he puts together anything like the three great years that Garcia had in San Fran, Jets fans will build a statue for him.




Not to exonerate any of Sanchez's receivers, but I think those guys just don't have a metric ton of faith in Sanchez's ability to get them the ball and they mentally tune out of games. We know that Santonio and Braylon are headcases anyway, but when you see a true professional like Cotchery dropping balls and being in the wrong spots, you have to wonder just how much they trust Sanchez. I liken it to a basketball team with a spotty PG. When a point guard is running the floor and moving the ball well, everybody on the team runs hard and plays better. But when the PG is sloppy with the ball and isn't getting it to the right spots, nobody runs and nobody plays as hard as they can. I don't think that Santonio or Edwards, or Keller for that matter, need much prompting to check out mentally, but when Cotch is all crossed up mentally, that's a sign of a problem.

And yet, after all of this mess, the Jets still managed to have one of their best regular seasons win wise in franchise history. Rooting for this franchise is something else.

And fwiw...I think your reaching with Cotchery mentally checking out because he thinks Sanchez stinks. I don't think anyone in the locker room has even anonymously questioned Sanchez's ability. If they didnt have faith in the kid, something would have come out already.

Edited by Matt39, 04 January 2011 - 09:23 PM.

[donboyO]

Sorry Garcia was terrible, reason why he bounced around the league

TO made garcia a 5 yd slant into an 80 yd touchdown, garcia was average at best

[T0mShane]

And yet, after all of this mess, the Jets still managed to have one of their best regular seasons win wise in franchise history. Rooting for this franchise is something else.

Both a blessing and a curse for Mark. He's a young guy playing relatively well for what is the most competitive Jets teams since 98, but if they don't win a ring during this run, he will be the one scapegoated. Personally, I'm judging Sanchez harshly not because he's awful, but because I have doubts that he's ready to compete for a Super Bowl right now. Fair? no. But it is what it is.

And fwiw...I think your reaching with Cotchery mentally checking out because he thinks Sanchez stinks. I don't think anyone in the locker room has even anonymously questioned Sanchez's ability. If they didnt have faith in the kid, something would have come out already.

It's just a theory based on the performance of all the Jets receivers. While it's easy to just point at Braylon and Santonio and Keller and say that they're just wackjob primadonnas, it's a lot harder to figure out why a guy like Cotchery would be having the same problems. Common denominator is a young, indecisive, inaccurate QB. It doesn't matter how good a guy you are or how professional you may be, if you don't consistently know where the ball is going to go, you're not going to be as locked in as you should be. Human nature.

[Matt39]

Sorry Garcia was terrible, reason why he bounced around the league

TO made garcia a 5 yd slant into an 80 yd touchdown, garcia was average at best

His numbers were definitely inflated, but he did throw for 30 TD's three times I believe. He got stuck in Detroit and Cleveland and then played pretty well in Philly.

[donboyO]

His numbers were definitely inflated, but he did throw for 30 TD's three times I believe. He got stuck in Detroit and Cleveland and then played pretty well in Philly.

and then tampa and then philly again, threw a terrible ball, TO made him for sure

Edited by donboyO, 04 January 2011 - 10:22 PM.

[stoicsentry]

Losing 3 of 4 games down the stretch with 1 td pass to show for it is not impressive.

Put Freeman on this team and the guy is taking us to the SB. He's throwing to a rookie not Holmes, Edwards, Keller, Cotch, Lt playing with this ol. Please. Freeman is a stud.

I suppose if you isolate the past two years to the past 5 games, and ignore the opponents that they were playing, you MIGHT be tempted to go with Freeman over Sanchez. LOL.

[Matt39]

Ryan Mallet?

[T0mShane]

Ryan Mallet?

Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks.

[Matt39]

Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks.

Same here. Similar measurables to Freeman.

Jake Locker is a joke.

Edited by Matt39, 04 January 2011 - 10:15 PM.

[Jetsfan80]

Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks.

There was another SEC quarterback who used to choke a lot. I think he played for Tennessee. Its on the tip of my tongue.....grr, hate when this happens.....someone help me out here.

[T0mShane]

There was another SEC quarterback who used to choke a lot. I think he played for Tennessee. Its on the tip of my tongue.....grr, hate when this happens.....someone help me out here.

Erik Ainge?

[Matt39]

That being said, Mallet just made a fantastic throw.

Ainge, if he ever cleans up, can still be a good QB imo.

Edited by Matt39, 04 January 2011 - 10:17 PM.

[Jetsfan80]

Erik Ainge?

Bastard.

[#27TheDominator]

It's just a theory based on the performance of all the Jets receivers. While it's easy to just point at Braylon and Santonio and Keller and say that they're just wackjob primadonnas, it's a lot harder to figure out why a guy like Cotchery would be having the same problems. Common denominator is a young, indecisive, inaccurate QB. It doesn't matter how good a guy you are or how professional you may be, if you don't consistently know where the ball is going to go, you're not going to be as locked in as you should be. Human nature.

The point guard analogy isn't bad, but I think that Cotchery's problems started about the time he got hurt. Also, playing with dogs can make you dog it a bit. Especially when the dogs are being treated like stars while you are a nobody (in the eyes of everybody except Blackout). This is where I can see blaming Schottenhiemer. The rhythm nation of complainers have a point. I think the play calls allow these guys to become un-involved. I mostly blame it on trying to eat clock, but it takes a toll. Particularly on those less professional - Greene, Holmes, Edwards, Keller. You know 1/3 of our offense.

[Klecko73isGod]

Every time I've seen him play he chokes. Not a huge fan. I'd hate to need a QB this year, considering how bad Jake Locker has been and with the rest of the group (outside of Luck?) laden with question marks.

Mallett is this year's Jevon Snead. Everybody was in love with Snead going into last year and then he bombed like crazy.

[JiF]

Should have stayed put and drafted him...

[Pac]

Should have stayed put and drafted him...

stop bumping your bullsheet threads or I'll see to it you're banned.

[JiF]

stop bumping your bullsheet threads or I'll see to it you're banned.

Ummm, JoeC wants my body, Max tells me this is my site all the time, Crusher is my muffin top and Slats and I share the same retirement plans.

I'm protected around these parts. You on the other hand...