Blackout Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 what a shame for the Red Sox they had to waste Lester on the Indians in todays 1-0 losing effort let's go Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I'd be happy if the yankees win 1 of 3. They are playing the best 0-6 team in the history of organized baseball after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 7, 2011 Author Share Posted April 7, 2011 I'd be happy if the yankees win 1 of 3. They are playing the best 0-6 team in the history of organized baseball after all... this is a valid point the Sox paid for the roster than finds the most ways to lose give up 11 homeruns in a 3 game series to Texas? check lose 1-0 against the traditionally lowely Indians? check lose a game because your captain catcher forgets how the force-rule works? check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 lose a game because your captain catcher forgets how the force-rule works? check He didn't forget the force out rules, he said he didn't see Youks touch the bag. This series will be interesting as the Sox should have the advantage on paper in the pitching match-ups. And they'll be home. Of course, they've been pitiful so far this year so who knows what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Sox should have the advantage on paper in the pitching match-ups. THe Sawx have had the advantage on paper all season It's translating that advantage on the field what has been the tricky part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 7, 2011 Author Share Posted April 7, 2011 He didn't forget the force out rules, he said he didn't see Youks touch the bag. This series will be interesting as the Sox should have the advantage on paper in the pitching match-ups. And they'll be home. Of course, they've been pitiful so far this year so who knows what to expect. the pitching matchups will be VERY interesting the Sox 2-3-4 vs the Yanks 3-4-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 THe Sawx have had the advantage on paper all season It's translating that advantage on the field what has been the tricky part Can't argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 the pitching matchups will be VERY interesting the Sox 2-3-4 vs the Yanks 3-4-5 Yanks skipped their number 5 starter (Garcia) due to Wednesday's rainout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Going to be honest here. This week has been BRTUAL for me at work, I haven't been paying attention to anything but work unfortunately. I didn't know the Sox were 0 and 6 until I got to my son's baseball practice. I was talking to the kids about what teams they liked. One Mets fan told me about the Sox.... Can't believe I didn't enjoy each loss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 OMG Tampa is 0 and 6 as well...wow. That is hard to do, this is crazy. Boston is 5 games out of first, 6 games in. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The Sawx starters are probably still going to be very good,and their lineup is still going to score runs. As another poster indicated(sorry for no credirt, but take a bow, who ever you are), Ellsbury with his injury history so far is more Juan Pierre/Scott Podsednik than the poor man's Rickey Henderson Peter Gammons and much of the medie pretends he is. But the major problem with the Sawx is their bullpen is dreadful from the dregs onto to Paplebon and Bard. They cannot get anyone out. Soriano spare one flub and Chamberlain (who looks like he spent the winter at White Castle with David Wells) have been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The Sawx starters are probably still going to be very good,and their lineup is still going to score runs. As another poster indicated(sorry for no credirt, but take a bow, who ever you are), Ellsbury with his injury history so far is more Juan Pierre/Scott Podsednik than the poor man's Rickey Henderson Peter Gammons and much of the medie pretends he is. But the major problem with the Sawx is their bullpen is dreadful from the dregs onto to Paplebon and Bard. They cannot get anyone out. Soriano spare one flub and Chamberlain (who looks like he spent the winter at White Castle with David Wells) have been very good. The Sox bullpen is fine. The Yankees bullpen is better probably. I don't mind Jenks-Bard-Paps at the end though. Reyes has sucked, but they have more options in the minors. Albers going down hurts because he has been decent. Aceves will be fine though. It's way too early to judge how the bullpen will be. Also, I love Ellsbury's "injury history". He broke his ribs last year and missed most of the season after re-breaking them. Prior to that he has no injury history to speak of. Do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 As to your beloved superstar Jacoby Ellsbury-At 23, missed most of his first season due to injury(and dissappointed a certain roto owner posting herein who bough the hype). Played 145 and 150 games in the next 2, which is still not 160.At 24/25, that is not good; he's not Derek Jeter old. And his comparables at 23/24/25 are Dave Robertson and Roberto Kelly. he is basically slightly above average OFer with very good speed. Other current similar players-Twins Denard Span, Mets Angel Pagan and Jays Raja Davis-decent servicable MLB OFers, not superstars. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/ellsbja01.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 As to your beloved superstar Jacoby Ellsbury-At 23, missed most of his first season due to injury(and dissappointed a certain roto owner posting herein who bough the hype). Played 145 and 150 games in the next 2, which is still not 160.At 24/25, that is not good; he's not Derek Jeter old. And his comparables at 23/24/25 are Dave Robertson and Roberto Kelly. he is basically slightly above average OFer with very good speed. Other current similar players-Twins Denard Span, Mets Angel Pagan and Jays Raja Davis-decent servicable MLB OFers, not superstars. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/ellsbja01.shtml He only played 33 games in 2007 because he was a September call up and actually started the year in AA and played a lot in AAA. He played over 100 games in the minors before coming up to the Sox. He has no injury history aside from last season. No one is saying he is a superstar but he is a very valuable role player and defender. He can cause havoc on the basepaths. He stole home for crying out loud. and Roberto Kelly et al have never stolen 70 bases in a season or scored from second on a wild pitch. He can be a game changer. There is this thing called the internet. Please use it so you don't look so silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 He only played 33 games in 2007 because he was a September call up and actually started the year in AA and played a lot in AAA. He played over 100 games in the minors before coming up to the Sox. He has no injury history aside from last season. No one is saying he is a superstar but he is a very valuable role player and defender. He can cause havoc on the basepaths. He stole home for crying out loud. and Roberto Kelly et al have never stolen 70 bases in a season or scored from second on a wild pitch. He can be a game changer. There is this thing called the internet. Please use it so you don't look so silly. Carl I think this 0 and 6 start has you a little bit cranky lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 has JetsBosox fan killed himself yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 He only played 33 games in 2007 because he was a September call up and actually started the year in AA and played a lot in AAA. He played over 100 games in the minors before coming up to the Sox. He has no injury history aside from last season. No one is saying he is a superstar but he is a very valuable role player and defender. He can cause havoc on the basepaths. He stole home for crying out loud. and Roberto Kelly et al have never stolen 70 bases in a season or scored from second on a wild pitch. He can be a game changer. There is this thing called the internet. Please use it so you don't look so silly. Missing almost a full season in your 20s and injuires in the minors are not good things, period. It's baseball.ref that makes the statistical comparison at the same age,and the current comparables. Everyone at some point thought Robero Kelly, Denard Span, Raja Davis could be game changers(Angel Pagan, who I saw play for the Cyclones,was not thought to be much more than he is now, a back end OF player). There were days of havoc on the basepaths by all of them, but if you want to say Ellsbury is any moreso a wreaker of havoc statitically there is no such case. These guys are not and Ellsbury is not tremendous game changers/basepath wreakers of havoc, but rather "valuable role players and defenders". By the data(his stuff you can find on the internet which I linked to and did not make up), Ellsbury is again a decent OFer with very good speed, not close to Rickey Henderson or Kenny Lofton in their primes.Further Moneyball guys (like Epstein and Cashman and most of the GMs in MLB these days) do not value stolen bases as much as you do. Your arugment feels very much like silly Yankee fans babbling about Jeter's steely resolve than acknowledging his range sucks, he has lost a step and his 2010 season was offensively pretty awful. You love your team and it's players; good for you. but that is not data nor an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 OMG Tampa is 0 and 6 as well...wow. That is hard to do, this is crazy. Boston is 5 games out of first, 6 games in. Amazing. Gosh, this must be the worst division in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Small strike zone, but it doesn't really matter as Lackey is all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Lucky inning for Hughes. Hit hard with two line drives right at defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Missing almost a full season in your 20s and injuires in the minors are not good things, period. It's baseball.ref that makes the statistical comparison at the same age,and the current comparables. Everyone at some point thought Robero Kelly, Denard Span, Raja Davis could be game changers(Angel Pagan, who I saw play for the Cyclones,was not thought to be much more than he is now, a back end OF player). There were days of havoc on the basepaths by all of them, but if you want to say Ellsbury is any moreso a wreaker of havoc statitically there is no such case. These guys are not and Ellsbury is not tremendous game changers/basepath wreakers of havoc, but rather "valuable role players and defenders". By the data(his stuff you can find on the internet which I linked to and did not make up), Ellsbury is again a decent OFer with very good speed, not close to Rickey Henderson or Kenny Lofton in their primes.Further Moneyball guys (like Epstein and Cashman and most of the GMs in MLB these days) do not value stolen bases as much as you do. Your arugment feels very much like silly Yankee fans babbling about Jeter's steely resolve than acknowledging his range sucks, he has lost a step and his 2010 season was offensively pretty awful. You love your team and it's players; good for you. but that is not data nor an argument. THERE WERE NO INJURIES IN THE MINORS! HOW DENSE ARE YOU? GET A FREAKING CLUE!! He missed one season because of broken ribs in a freak accident. I don't see how that makes him injury prone. It's not like he has knee problems or back problems or shoulder problems. He broke ribs. Ask Andy Pettitte if Ellsbury is a game changer on the basepaths. While he is answering, Jacoby just stole home again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 This game might end up with a football score before the day is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 This game might end up with a football score before the day is out. This might get ugly. Hughes is in late season form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 It's so weird that Phil Hughes can't throw hard anymore. So very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 THERE WERE NO INJURIES IN THE MINORS! HOW DENSE ARE YOU? GET A FREAKING CLUE!! He missed one season because of broken ribs in a freak accident. I don't see how that makes him injury prone. It's not like he has knee problems or back problems or shoulder problems. He broke ribs. Ask Andy Pettitte if Ellsbury is a game changer on the basepaths. While he is answering, Jacoby just stole home again. Can't win with you. You want to discount a missed season due to injury; it's still missed. And while you bitch about lack of facts, when their shown such data to you you change gears and start bringing up 1 game and instance, probably when Posada was making a mess defensively as always. I could as easily argue that BRETT GARNDER IS WICKED SUPER FAST, which the depth of your argument. I'd even concede that Gardner is probably not quite as good as Ellsbury, but neither is a superstar, neither statisitically nor antecdotally. The only thing missing from today's festivities is a keg at 3rd base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Also, that Brady Anderson never hit 50 homers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I'd even concede that Gardner is probably not quite as good as Ellsbury, but neither is a superstar, neither statisitically nor antecdotally. Nobody ever said that Ellsbury is a superstar. The claim was made that he is GARBAGE, that is what Carl is refuting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Can't win with you. You want to discount a missed season due to injury; it's still missed. And while you bitch about lack of facts, when their shown such data to you you change gears and start bringing up 1 game and instance, probably when Posada was making a mess defensively as always. I could as easily argue that BRETT GARNDER IS WICKED SUPER FAST, which the depth of your argument. I'd even concede that Gardner is probably not quite as good as Ellsbury, but neither is a superstar, neither statisitically nor antecdotally. The only thing missing from today's festivities is a keg at 3rd base. You said he was injury prone. He does not have a history of injuries. He missed one season. That is not prone. Prone is define by Merriam-Websters as: having a tendency or inclination. One injury does not make either of those things. Just admit you're wrong and move on. I never said he was a superstar. I said he was a valuable role player who can cause havoc on the base paths. Which he has done and will continue to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What is wrong with Phil Hughes? Is he coming down with Joba syndrome? Mixing him between the pen and the rotation mess with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What is wrong with Phil Hughes? Is he coming down with Joba syndrome? Mixing him between the pen and the rotation mess with him? I think mixing both of them with a non-HGH diet is messing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I think mixing both of them with a non-HGH diet is messing with them. Tom, do you have any proof of this or is this just the pathetic, bitter, Yankee-hating Mets fan in you talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I think mixing both of them with a non-HGH diet is messing with them. Hughes looks awful again. Leaving the ball out over the plate time after time. Only good thing is Lackey is not doing much better. This one has a 15-14 look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Tom, do you have any proof of this or is this just the pathetic, bitter, Yankee-hating Mets fan in you talking? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Tom, do you have any proof of this or is this just the pathetic, bitter, Yankee-hating Mets fan in you talking? Captain Yankee must defend Yankee player at all cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Hughes looks awful again. Leaving the ball out over the plate time after time. Only good thing is Lackey is not doing much better. This one has a 15-14 look to it. If Colon can give the Yankees quality innings, it could swing back in their favor. Lackey is leaving ball in the middle of the plate and getting eaten alive by the lefties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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