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[JoeC36]

This is the truth. Unfortunately, they get obscured by the cinematic diarrhea that constituted the Joel Schumacher abortions.

i was watching Batman & Robin the other day for the first time in years. What i used to think was awesome is now an piece of ****ing sh*t. the intro to that movie where they are playing hockey with the diamond, are you ****ing kidding me? what complete horsesh*t.

[T0mShane]

i was watching Batman & Robin the other day for the first time in years. What i used to think was awesome is now an piece of ****ing sh*t. the intro to that movie where they are playing hockey with the diamond, are you ****ing kidding me? what complete horsesh*t.

Literally the only movie I've ever been to where the entire crowd was booing during the film.

[JoeC36]

Literally the only movie I've ever been to where the entire crowd was booing during the film.

i try to watch remakes objectively, but i cant help comparing the older Batmans to Nolan's versions and it was like watching something for 5 year olds.

But to answer your other question, TDKR is gonna be the best movie of the year. absolutely EPIC

[SenorGato]

This is the truth. Unfortunately, they get obscured by the cinematic diarrhea that constituted the Joel Schumacher abortions.

Yes! Schumacher couldn't even come up with an original atmosphere. He borrowed Burton's, dragged it through the mud, sprinkled a little gay on it, and shat out two bad movies.

I'm not even sure Nolan's first two are outright better, but the fact that they are newer and there will be three...

[RutgersJetFan]

Can we take a poll as to how incredible The Dark Knight Rises is going to be? I'm going to go with RIDICULAWESOME.

They started screening it last week. Early word is that it's as different from TDK as TDK was from Batman Begins. Bale turns in his best performance of the trilogy, Hathaway totally nails the part of Kyle, the ending is mind blowing, and it's a 10 out of 10.

Really can't wait. One of the reviewers basically said that if this doesn't win Best Picture, no comic book movie ever will.

[RutgersJetFan]

i was watching Batman & Robin the other day for the first time in years. What i used to think was awesome is now an piece of ****ing sh*t. the intro to that movie where they are playing hockey with the diamond, are you ****ing kidding me? what complete horsesh*t.

Batman Forever is horrible, but it's still nice seeing it on reruns just to see Carrey back when he gave a sh*t about breaking the mold.

[RutgersJetFan]

I'm not even sure Nolan's first two are outright better, but the fact that they are newer and there will be three...

Aside from Ed Wood, nothing Burton has ever made comes close to any of Nolan's movies. Guy's a glorified production designer and that's including both Batman movies he made. All semblance of the first one not being camp went out the window the second that Batman Begins came out and it became blatantly obvious how wrong he got it.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 15 July 2012 - 05:06 PM.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Batman Forever is horrible, but it's still nice seeing it on reruns just to see Carrey back when he gave a sh*t about breaking the mold.

Yea, he's really mailed in his movies since. Used to really enjoy when his new movies came out. I think we can all agree his best role was as Snow:

Aside from Ed Wood, nothing Burton has ever made comes close to any of Nolan's movies. Guy's a glorified production designer and that's including both Batman movies he made. All semblance of the first one not being camp went out the window the second that Batman Begins came out and it became blatantly obvious how wrong he got it.

Agreed, Ed wood is clearly his masterpiece. And while I love pretty much everything Nolan has touched, I think I'd put Edward Scissorhands ahead of The Prestige and on par with Insomnia (awesome and very underrated movie), even though I liked both of them. I personally though Big fish was overrated, but I'd say that's prestige-esque. And while not brilliant, I liked Depp and Ricci's performance in Sleep Hallow. Definitely agree that Burton has pushed out some crap and isn't on Nolan's level though.

[SenorGato]

Aside from Ed Wood, nothing Burton has ever made comes close to any of Nolan's movies. Guy's a glorified production designer and that's including both Batman movies he made. All semblance of the first one not being camp went out the window the second that Batman Begins came out and it became blatantly obvious how wrong he got it.

Of course it was camp, it's based on a comic book. Burton walked that line the whole time in the two movies. Catwoman literally having 9 lives? Everything else about Catwoman in that movie? Nicholson's entire performance as the Joker? All of it camp, and nothing entirely wrong about it, particularly since the previous Batmans were a far, far lighter interpretation than what Burton offered.

I think he absolutely nailed the Penguin character as the unloved son of an aristocratic family angle and easily bested criminal. Catwoman was just fun, and he never veered off supernatural or not.

Nolan's the hot hand right now, but I don't think there was anything wrong about Burton's interpretation so much as it is different. I think Nolan's fits perfectly in the time we're in where everything is supposed to be a little bit gritty and edgy but still real (man!), but Burton's movies hold up 20+ years later just fine.

I should add that I'm a big fan of Burton's work. Big fan of both of those directors to be honest...Both have pumped out some of my favorite movies...I think both of them did right by Batman.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 05:29 PM.

[SenorGato]

Alone in the Dark was not the best Del Toro movie. It's crazy/infuriating how a total of two of those creatures got killed in that movie.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[RutgersJetFan]

Yea, he's really mailed in his movies since. Used to really enjoy when his new movies came out. I think we can all agree his best role was as Snow:

I caught Fun With Dick and Jane on FX the other day, never saw it before. First time I had a comedy almost bring me to tears of sadness. I felt like Lloyd Bentson watching that abortion. I grew up with Jim Carrey. I knew Jim Carrey. And whoever is on my TV screen, you are no Jim Carrey.

Agreed, Ed wood is clearly his masterpiece. And while I love pretty much everything Nolan has touched, I think I'd put Edward Scissorhands ahead of The Prestige and on par with Insomnia (awesome and very underrated movie), even though I liked both of them. I personally though Big fish was overrated, but I'd say that's prestige-esque. And while not brilliant, I liked Depp and Ricci's performance in Sleep Hallow. Definitely agree that Burton has pushed out some crap and isn't on Nolan's level though.

I liked Edward Scissorhands when I was 9 and dumb. I can't even get halfway through it anymore as an adult. Big Fish is classic Burton. Gibbering expressionism to compensate for horrible scripts and mindless story lines. He's emblematic of everything that's been wrong with American cinema since George Lucas made good special effects possible; appeal to visual senses first because it's easier than good story telling. His Batman, (again, like almost everything he's made), was visually beautiful but the story was so weak and filled with one gap after another. The guy couldn't pull off a script like Memento on his best day, and certainly not a story as complex and layered as TDK was.

[RutgersJetFan]

Nolan's the hot hand right now, but I don't think there was anything wrong about Burton's interpretation so much as it is different.

That's because you smoke a lot of weed. Anything Tim Burton makes is going to look awesome when you're stoned. It's why you think Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow and John Carter are great.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 15 July 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I caught Fun With Dick and Jane on FX the other day, never saw it before. First time I had a comedy almost bring me to tears of sadness. I felt like Lloyd Bentson watching that abortion. I grew up with Jim Carrey. I knew Jim Carrey. And whoever is on my TV screen, you are no Jim Carrey.



I liked Edward Scissorhands when I was 9 and dumb. I can't even get halfway through it anymore as an adult. Big Fish is classic Burton. Gibbering expressionism to compensate for horrible scripts and mindless story lines. He's emblematic of everything that's been wrong with American cinema since George Lucas made good special effects possible; appeal to visual senses first because it's easier than good story telling. His Batman, (again, like almost everything he's made), was visually beautiful but the story was so weak and filled with one gap after another. The guy couldn't pull off a script like Memento on his best day, and certainly not a story as complex and layered as TDK was.

Admittedly, haven't seen Edward Scissorhands in a while, I just remember enjoying a fresh new idea and Depp's performance; if his script was half as good as his design, that and beetlejuice would have been classics (well, at least the half with Michael Keaton...the other half just sucked). I wasn't a fan of Big Fish, that was just more my indictment of The Prestige; maybe it was the casting or the characters being sort of one-dimensional, but I just didn't care for it as much as everyone else seemed to. Or maybe it was just that I preferred Edward Norton and the Illusionist and I was just biased against another Magician movie.

Loved memento, absolutely brilliant. I went out and rented it immediately after my Uncles and I watched Following, made me a fan of his ever since. Burton could never compete with Nolan, but I do think if Nolan had a chance he'd definitely do over some things with The Prestige and Insomnia. Neither of which are bad movies at all.



Edit: Thinking about it, I kind of don't want to re-watch Scissorhands or some of those movies I used to like, I'm perfectly fine naively thinking the movie is as good as it was back then..just like I do with MacGuyver.

Edited by BroadwayJoe12, 15 July 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[Larz]

Watching Boogie Nights for the first time in years. Damn that's such a good movie.

macy is unbelievable in that

did you hear about the teaser trailer from comic con ?

gojira !

[RutgersJetFan]

Admittedly, haven't seen Edward Scissorhands in a while, I just remember enjoying a fresh new idea and Depp's performance; if his script was half as good as his design, that and beetlejuice would have been classics (well, at least the half with Michael Keaton...the other half just sucked). I wasn't a fan of Big Fish, that was just more my indictment of The Prestige; maybe it was the casting or the characters being sort of one-dimensional, but I just didn't care for it as much as everyone else seemed to. Or maybe it was just that I preferred Edward Norton and the Illusionist and I was just biased against another Magician movie.

Loved memento, absolutely brilliant. I went out and rented it immediately after my Uncles and I watched Following, made me a fan of his ever since. Burton could never compete with Nolan, but I do think if Nolan had a chance he'd definitely do over some things with The Prestige and Insomnia. Neither of which are bad movies at all.



Edit: Thinking about it, I kind of don't want to re-watch Scissorhands or some of those movies I used to like, I'm perfectly fine naively thinking the movie is as good as it was back then..just like I do with MacGuyver.

The guy's magic in terms of production design and effects. But he's just a bad story teller. I take his movies for what they are, mindless and visual. That's the last thing you could say about guys like Nolan and Paul Thomas Anderson. You watch their films and see guys who've truly turned story telling into a craft, no way you can say that about Burton, and he's been doing it twice as long now while his movies have gotten progressively worse. It took everything I had to not stab myself in the jugular when an ex forced me to go see Alice in Wonderland.

And yeah, I'd hold off. Ever watched Independence Day as an adult? It's depressing as sh*t. Like you realize how retarded you are when you're a kid.

[SenorGato]

That's because you smoke a lot of weed. Anything Tim Burton makes is going to look awesome when you're stoned. It's why you think Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow and John Carter are great.

Enjoyed Burton before I started burning the ganj. Like you said, the design and effects are always on point and I was but a wee lad during his peak, there to enjoy his best work.

They're not great, but entirely watchable.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 06:22 PM.

[SenorGato]

Double.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 06:21 PM.

[SenorGato]

macy is unbelievable in that

did you hear about the teaser trailer from comic con ?

gojira !

HOLY sh*t WHAT?!?!?

I will find.

Video not out yet?

I liked Edwards' Monsters alot...even own a copy somewhere. Prepare to be shocked...They're going to make this "realistic" rather than a straight sci-fi. I don't mind it because it will be awesome, but this little phase in movies is going to go away.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 06:20 PM.

[Larz]

HOLY sh*t WHAT?!?!?

I will find.

Video not out yet?

I liked Edwards' Monsters alot...even own a copy somewhere. Prepare to be shocked...They're going to make this "realistic" rather than a straight sci-fi. I don't mind it because it will be awesome, but this little phase in movies is going to go away.

just a poster and a still shot. no iea when it's supposed to come out, probably next year

Edited by Larz, 15 July 2012 - 06:26 PM.

[SenorGato]

I've heard 2014. That's a sick and mysterious still.

I'm 10 again, down from 12.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 July 2012 - 06:34 PM.