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  1. It's easy to argue Saleh has been in over his head from the start, and was too arrogant to think he should surround himself with experienced coaches. It's one thing for JD to bring in - or for Saleh to be - a young, first-time HC. Everyone expects a couple bumps in the road unless you're talking about fans with unrealistic expectations. So that's fine, as those early bumps happen even with the ones who are ultimately very successful. What's not fine is the arrogance of putting all these guys together in their first NFL stints in these jobs during a gutting-rebuild and expect any type of consistency in moving the ball & scoring points: 1st time HC 1st time OC 1st time WRC 1st time RBC experienced TE coach but no rostered NFL-level TEs and then, despite losing his one really experienced offensive coach - the QBC - to a tragic accident in late July, doesn't bring in a replacement for a full MONTH, and still started a rookie QB from week 1, despite going mostly unchallenged at BYU. Then in regime year 2, after seeing the rookie QB struggle mightily, hires a first time QBC to work with him. FFS. Then on defense: 1st time DC (other than a few games of mop-up duty; this was the 1st time installing his own defense) 1st time DLC (Whitecotton; the guy QW was screaming at that earlier in the year) 1st time LBC (no wonder they rely upon & praise CJM so much) And even the assistants aren't exactly loaded with experienced guys for these 1st time coaches/coordinators to lean upon & bounce things off: Assistant DL coach Scruggs = 1st time in this NFL role Defensive assistant Willingham = 1st time in this NFL role Offensive assistant Mack Brown = 1st time in this NFL role Special teams assistant Ghobrial = 1st time in this NFL role Defensive assistant Manning = 1st time in any NFL role since a brief stint as an asst DBC 5 yrs earlier; otherwise had mostly been coaching high school Offensive assistant Vandemerkt = 1st time in this NFL role Special teams assistant Leon Wash = loved watching him as a player - we all did - but he's here to coach, and this is his 1st time in any NFL coaching role Experienced coaches: ST Coordinator Boyer generally a good job; he can't punt it for Mann himself. Players seem to know the rules (e.g. Berrios knowing to field a KO by first putting 1 foot out of bounds) and we aren't plagued with block in the back penalties; then again we mostly fair catch this year so opportunities for that are down, lol. OL Coach Benton and his assistant OLC Wilkerson has been handed rough deals between some questionable personnel & so many injuries DB Coach Manuel generally fine once he was given talented players. Sauce has been incredible for a rookie, and Reed has never looked better; fair to give coach at least some credit for both TE Coach Middleton meh; raw deal in 2021 being given no talent to coach. This year's veterans now have unreliable hands & we're all discouraged by the lack of visible development with Ruckert. Never developed a starter in 8 yrs in Jax; only big name was Orange Julius whose career effectively ended under Middleton's coaching) Situational decision making asst Shamash years of experience, but it was almost all with first time HCs who were fired: Chargers (Lynn), Jax (Bradley), TB (Schiano). The exceptions were 2021 with the Chargers, before getting let go (i.e. fired), and with Cleveland under Mangini. So we end up with debacles from extra timeouts to punting on 4th & short in the 4th quarter down by 2 TDs, and more. Turns out he's the one who sits next to MLF in the booth, advising him on what to call & when. FFS. I get not wanting to hire retreads who were failures elsewhere, but a young team with all these coaches who'd just got promoted to their Jets job titles by Saleh? Looking at it all put together like this above, now I'm not sure if arrogance is a strong enough word. Almost as arrogant as I am, thinking anyone's actually reading all my blabbering. But still.
    65 points
  2. 52 points
  3. I don't understand Jet fans sometimes. They hord money and draft picks like they are managing their kids 529 account when in reality the money belongs to the guy they swear they hate, Woody Johnson, and draft picks outside of 2022 have done very little to ever help this franchise. Remmeber how we spent 2 years teraring down and tanking to get Zach. Yes that was smart. So here is why we should 100 percent "mortgage the future" 1) The Jets have a top 5 defense. The window on that type of defense is 2-3 years usually looking around the league. Defense is important, and more important in late season and playoff football. You can't underestimate this. 2) Breece Hall, Garret Wilson year 2. Elijiah Moore year 3. Uzomah waiting to be unleashed. This offsense has weapons and CAN score with competent QB play, let alone star QB play a guy like Rodgers would provide. 3) Contracts. All this rookie and 2nd year talent will be asking for extensions come 24 and 25. We simply will not be able to pay them all. OUR WINDOW IS NOW 4) The Jets arent rebuilding anymore, they are in execution phase. Losing a first rounder this year or in 24 is not a game changer or hurt the chances moving forward. If JD is all we may or you make him out to be he should be able to find starters in round 2-3 and depth beyond. The Jets need to be aggresive and absolutly mortgage the future. A Superbowl, a deep playoff run will bring legitimacy to this team and the rest will take care of itself. YES NOW IS THE TIME TO GO TO THE BANK AND ASK FOR THAT MORTGAGE. Our franchise depends upon it.
    49 points
  4. Saw this and thought it would resonate with a bunch of us here lol
    47 points
  5. People talking about getting Lamar Jackson makes me truly angry and physically ill. There is no possible worse scenario than trading and signing for Lamar Jackson. What in the hell are people thinking? He makes no sense for the Jets on literally any level. He is the worst possible option 1. He should be disqualified on durability alone. The guy has finished 10 of the last 21 games for Balt. He has ended the last 2 seasons missing 5 plus games. His play style is the most unsustainable of any QB in the NFL. History shows that he WILL completely fall off a cliff and that likely has already happened. Just look at Cam (who was a much better pocket passer) he won an MVP and that fell off the face of the other. He kept getting trotted out there but all the hits add up and he was completely ineffective but people kept expecting him to magically become healthy again. Look at RG3. Even Russell Wilson's issues are related to him just being diminished from all the wear and tear and he was among the best ever at avoiding contact. Lamar does not. 2. Even when he is healthy, the wear and tear builds up in Lamar and he gets less and less effective as the season goes on 3. He is not a pocket passer throwing mostly to the TE and we do not have Mark Andrews 4. He requires a completely unique offense just for him. We don't have the coaching or players to support him 5. He will cost AT LEAST 2 first round picks. The Jets cannot afford to give up that draft capital 6. He will cost like $30-40 million against the cap, and the Jets really do not have it without cutting a bunch of players, possibly not re-signing players like Q and Huff 7. It would trash any possibility of rebuilding the OL 8. Here is maybe the biggest reason. His own team, that has the coach, the coordinator, the players to best support him clearly do not want to sign him long term. So why in the hell would we consider signing him? To be honest, the only way to handle Lamar is on 1 year contracts because you simply cannot throw away the entire teams future on a possibility that he will somehow stay healthy and regain his form which history has show to not be true at all. FFS
    44 points
  6. To be fair neither is Zach.
    41 points
  7. This is from April. Go to your room
    39 points
  8. That’s odd, Fields is one of the best young running backs in the league
    37 points
  9. Good for you, Mike LaFleur. Save yourself.
    37 points
  10. Honestly, the stuff they ask him to do is pretty basic Shanny O stuff. Zach should have been able to execute this stuff, and MLF should have been able to teach it.
    36 points
  11. 36 points
  12. “Hey Siri, who are the top NFL GM and Head Coach prospects for 2024?”
    34 points
  13. They should also urge fans to stop burning money on Jets season tickets.
    34 points
  14. 1. Zach has gotten so much worse from his first start 2. He had input into bringing Flacco back. That by itself deserves firing 3. The Jets constantly fall apart as they enter scoring range or the red zone 4. The offense is undisciplined. How many penalties on first down to move us backward? 5. The Jets are near the top of the league in plays for no or negative yardage 6. Horrible 3rd down conversion percentage 7. This offense is good at nothing. 8. Who has gotten better under his coaching? 9. Where is the passion from the players? Bye, bye. I’ve seen more than enough.
    34 points
  15. Easily my preference; given our current situation, he's all of the things i would hope to secure in an OC
    32 points
  16. 32 points
  17. For the haters in the house who say the Jets are always settling for scraps. They got their guys and one of them was highly sought after and chose the Jets
    31 points
  18. Kind of gives some insight as to how LaFleur was married to his scheme, which was unnecessarily complex - specifically for the receivers. As we saw, many receivers had been in the dog house through MLF's two year stint here, so this isn't shocking. It had never been disclosed publicly, but we had noted a while back that MLF preferred Flacco/White to Zach in his scheme... he handpicked Zach as the QB he wanted to work with, but when Zach wasn't ready to play from within the pocket the way LaFleur wanted him to, it quickly became a "he" problem. In fairness to MLF, he, like many in the Shanahan tree, saw Zach as a player who can be a Patrick Mahomes-type player if he learned how to be like Kirk Cousins or Jimmy Garoppolo or Mike White 80% of the time while being the second-reaction playmaker 20% of the time. I don't think MLF was wrong. Problem? He didn't raise his hand to say "Zach is not ready to start" during his rookie year (he's known to be conflict avoidant) AND didn't really do much to ensure that Zach was improving in the day-to-day QB drills. In short, he didn't really have a plan. Again, a lot of fans on here were openly ranting about Zach's tendency to bail out of the pocket. MLF and the coaches would tell Zach to avoid negative plays at all costs- whether it be sacks or turnovers- and throwing the ball away was a win. He was praised for it internally until the first NE game, and when they lost/the heat was turned up on them, LaFleur then told him "don't do that anymore", which gave a ton of mixed messages. It certainly wasn't appreciated by Zach. He wanted answers "why" but was given non-answers by LaFleur. Still, Zach did listen. He adhered to the quick-pass gameplan against Buffalo and they won. Then, after the bye, the gameplan was to attack the Patriots downfield. There's no defending Zach in terms of how he played, excuses for the wind, offensive line play, and his post-game press conference, but the one thing we didn't see out of Zach that we probably could've used? Trying to extend plays outside of the pocket. Instead of rolling out to avoid the sack or throw the ball away, we saw more sacks. I wonder why... This has been detailed at nauseum by now. Moore grew frustrated with MLF, namely because he felt MLF was being fake. MLF said Moore was doing everything right to him and publicly, but was telling Miles Austin something else. But every time MLF would talk to Moore, he didn't say he was doing anything wrong. Finally he asked point blank and MLF basically said, wellll you're doing this this and this wrong, which set Moore off. As I've explained a few times on here, Zach got to a point where he hated Connor Hughes. Hughes tries to play buddy buddy with the players, but this year particularly he let his ego get the best of him... instead of being fair and rational, Hughes became more of a hot-take artist. After the first NE game, Hughes used the poor performance as an opportunity to character assassinate Zach by calling him immature, entitled, and selfish. Zach and his PR team took extreme exception to that, with his PR manager telling me (paraphrased) "this guy sucks Zach's d**k for the past year constantly asking for favors, and the first opportunity he gets he doesn't even bother to criticize Zach's game, rather, uses it as an opportunity to character assassinate him." If you look back at Zach's media availability between the first NE game and the last one, you'll notice Zach's hostility towards Connor. Doesn't make him right, but figured it adds more context. The one thing I'll saw that's a little inconsistent here: Zach planned to address the team, but Robert Saleh told him to wait (according to Zach's PR team at least). Woody told LaFleur that he wouldn't be fired and suggested that decision would be left up to Saleh, but made it clear that MLF wouldn't get an extension, which would've meant MLF would spend 2023 as a lame-duck coach. Typically assistants and coordinators get a 2 or 3 year deal (MLF's was 3 years) and unless they wind up being a super-star coordinator, it's commonplace for them to at least have their contract extended for a year to avoid the "lame-duck" situation... sometimes coaches themselves turn down the extension, but its less common that a coordinator is told they won't have a year tacked onto their deal.
    31 points
  19. Why are people actually complaining? I am so utterly confused. How many opening drives are we going to go scoreless? How many GAMES are we going to go without scoring ONE touchdown? How many touchdowns did we score the last 3 games combined? Our entire coaching staff lacks experience. We need someone that can come in here and develop young talent. The Jets will always make Jetsy moves but this is not a bad move. Some of you just simply love to complain.
    31 points
  20. 31 points
  21. Did he talk about his encounter after the Jax game?
    30 points
  22. He also wasn’t going to trade Jamal and Sam.
    30 points
  23. This leak was brought to you by Mike LaFleur's agent
    29 points
  24. I'm stoked about this because I know Tom will be super upset about it.
    29 points
  25. 28 points
  26. A few random notes on the coaching search: Very much a collaborative effort between FO-HC. I assumed Saleh would have a particular candidate in mind but he buys into the approach the Jets took that led to his own hiring, which is to have an open search and hire the guy who “fits” what they’re looking for. What they’re looking for? A well rounded coach with strong leadership and communication skills. As evidenced by their candidates thus far, having a specific trait or background is not necesssrily the primary focus. Saleh and the FO agreed that Mike LaFleur, while talented, was too rigid in terms of scheme/usage and failed to exhibit the strong leadership qualities such as communication. They want someone who will be more “global” with the offensive staff and players. Nick Caley is interviewing this week. When I first saw his name I admittedly rolled my eyes. Then spoke to some people in the know and they said he’s a legit candidate. The connection here is Jets chief of staff Steve Scarnecchia, who is close with Caley. Scarnecchia He was much more than a “TE coach” under McDaniels specifically and people believe he could be a future head coach given his overall football knowledge, compatibility, organization, and high-end communication skills. Another reason why he’s being considered? Jimmy Garoppolo. They’ve know each other dating back to their Eastern Illinois/New England days and have remained close. There are some with the Jets who believe a scenario exists where they can hire both Kevin Patullo + Marcus Brady as a “package deal”. That would likely require the Jets hiring Patullo as the OC and Marcus Brady to a QB coach/passing game coordinator type role. There are a lot of connections here. Patullo spent some time here, but both were on the Colts staff when Rex Hogan was there as well. Both now in PHI where Joe Douglas has a ton of friends. Jets spoke to Reich and those guys came highly recommended. There’s some sense that it will be difficult to convince Darrell Bevell to leave Miami. He will consider it, but wouldn’t call it a lock. Much like Bevell, there’s some belief among agents that Joe Brady wants to stay in Buffalo for another year. Add Greg Olson to the list of popular OC candidates who is less likely to come here. Not impossible, but he prefers to stay as close to the Bay Area as possible. Doug Marrone is someone to monitor as OL coach/run game coordinator. The Jets feel they have lacked an “aggressive edge” to their OL and will look for a coach who will tap into it, which Marrone is well known for. Also important: Marrone is flexible with blocking schemes (zone/man). It wouldn’t be a lateral move with “RGC” attached to his title. Worth noting that Saleh was on his staff in Jacksonville. Was also born and raised in the Bronx. Nathanial Hackett was contemplating a year off. Some believe he can be convinced to be an offensive consultant, but doesn’t sound like there’s a rush on Hackett’s end. May be an option for us after we lock down an OC. Pat Shurmur was among the list of names Saleh has put together for a senior position on the staff. No word on that front. Justin Outten (DEN), Ben McDaniels (HOU), and Chris Morgan (CHI) are additional candidates that have been mentioned for potential roles on our staff.
    28 points
  27. They made the playoffs and won 13 games. The top end elite guys are never available thus you get the next best guys and hope. Cousins is 10 million times better than anything the jets have had for years and so is carr. I'll take a stat compiler and make the playoffs over jets usual schlock any day of the week,
    28 points
  28. I have two PSL seats. Added two extra seats last year. Had fun, bringing people with us each week. Then I realized nobody paid me for a single game. Just kidding \ not really lol. So I emailed the Jets and went back to two seats. My younger son and daughter usually go to a game each per year. So for those two games I will just buy extra. Better than paying for the whole year. Parlaying that money into an upgraded RV. Always have a plan. And thank you all in advance for reminding me that the Jets should never be part of the financial plan. LOL. Them raising ticket pricing was really a slap in the nuts. Like c'mon they were good for 3 minutes and sent out the increase. Thanks, but no thanks. I will always keep my two seats but enough is enough with the price increases.
    28 points
  29. LaFleur is NOT not fired
    28 points
  30. Probably could have used more of this down the stretch ...
    28 points
  31. Not watching. Please post the executive summary
    27 points
  32. Please help me help Woody see it. Thanks.
    26 points
  33. Honestly, if they cannot put Zach Wilson out there in this spot, they should just cut him this afternoon.
    26 points
  34. Sweet merciful crap. Just get these clowns out of here
    26 points
  35. Hes not, hes a fantastic OC and did a wonderful job developing Zach, and created an incredible offense in general. The lack of offense with or without Zach is not MLF's fault at all. If you think about it, 6 points against Seattle is quite good, with a competent QB and against a bottom 5 defense. Some OC's may have generated 3 points in that situation. I think MLF should be signed to a 10 year extension, hes legit
    26 points
  36. Can you imagine being Duane Brown, playing out the string with a ****ed up shoulder, hearing this?
    26 points
  37. Honestly, I was having a hard time understanding your post. You should make a video about it instead.
    25 points
  38. Oh. I though we would consider him as the actual QB,
    25 points
  39. He’s a complete hack that spreads nothing but fake news. I get my info from Incarcerated Bob thank you very much.
    24 points
  40. Good riddance. If I never see an empty backfield again on 3rd and short, it will be too soon.
    24 points
  41. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/critically-injured-damar-hamlin-awake-asked-who-won-bills-game-doctors-say/ar-AA15ZYGD?cvid=07976028154445d18a60c7d2c03555d4 "JAN. 5 (UPI) -- Damar Hamlin is awake, can move his hands, feet and head, and asked medical personnel who won the Buffalo Bills-Cincinnati Bengals game, which was halted when he went into cardiac arrest three days ago, doctors said Thursday."
    24 points
  42. Geno: "Get the hell away from the Jets."
    24 points
  43. Jets are always in tweener mode when good candidates become available. By tweener i mean they have not given the existing coach and or gm enough time to get results and they don't have the balls to make a bold move. We will miss out on harbaugh and payton becasue saleh has only been here two years.
    24 points
  44. The wheels have been off the last 12 years…
    23 points
  45. Someone tell me how mad I should be about this.
    23 points
  46. Sucks when you don’t have ZW to take the fall for the whole team playing like sh*t
    23 points
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