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I am not a fan who has blind faith or will get into fist fights because of the city he was born in and that cities football team. I am here not to talk smack but to give praise. I am a grateful Seahawks fan and no, I am not here to talk about Adams. There were a number of us Seattle fans, a little more analytical in our evaluations that think you got one hell of a Tackle in George Fant. We (Seahawks fans) were hoping that eventually he would take over for Brown at LT as Duane Brown is getting close to retiring. George Fant can move and use his feet. It seems like the Jets are in the news a lot for all the wrong reasons but you should have solid Tackle play for the next 10 years and take it from a fan that knows terrible offensive line play, good Tackles matter as much as who is carrying the ball. When I was a little kid I liked the Freeman McNeil, Mark Gastineau, Joe Klecko, and Al Toon led Jets so I thought I'd come here and spread some love! -Anybody but New England or Buffalo!

The Jets only tweak hammys and ankles

Here's the observation, an absolutely pathetic, putrid and trash performance by everyone in a Jet uniform. After choosing not to come out for the National Anthem (don't get me started) they should've stayed in there for the rest of the game. A totally fake final score of 27-17 hides the total no show effort: Special Teams - The first play of the game should've been a sign, Josh Malone returns the KO outside the 30. Decent field position, but of course there's a holding penalty. So they start at the 9, typical. Credit to Malone because that was the only semblance of a return all game. I know Ashtyn Davis was a hurdler in college but that needs to be left on the track. He got his bell rung because he stupidly tried to hurdle a tackler - Unfortunately we saw way too much of Braden Mann. Good job by him (46.3 avg) but no one wants to see a punter that much - Sam Ficken was perfect in all his attempts (FG, 2 XP's) but so what Defense - Poor job by the defense in containing Josh Allen's running game in the first half - As usual no front seven pressure which allowed Allen way too much time in the pocket - Is Blake Cashman's body allergic to artificial turf? He gets one snap into the season and he's hurt again? He now has become the "Caucasian Dee Milliner", you have a shot to solidify a starting job and you can't stay on the field. Give me a break - An excellent Trumaine Johnson impersonation by Pierre Desir and that's not a good thing. So poor of a performance that Gregg Williams pulls him for Nate Hairston - Marcus Maye filled the hybrid role as expected and had a good game: 10 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 TFL, 2 Passes Defensed and 2 QB Hits - Bless Austin earned a starting job and then backed it up with: 8 Tackles and 1 TFL - Brian Poole had a costly holding penalty in the red zone which cost the team a TD. But he was productive with: 9 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL and 1 Pass Defensed Offense - What offense? A total nonsensical plan to start the game. The only groups that were able to stay on the field during camp was the OLine, TE's, RB's and Darnold. Why not test the conditioning of BUF defense and run the ball? Nope, let's spread out and have BUF test our pass protection with blitzes. How did that work? They didn't get a first down until two minutes left in the first quarter - Jamison Crowder was the only offensive player who put up decent numbers (7 rec, 115 yds, TD) and he even had a couple of drops - Chris Herndon was a non-factor (6 rec, 37 yds) with a costly fumble. And NOT ONE target for Ryan Griffin? Can someone explain this to me? - Breshad Perriman also was a non-factor (3 recs, 17 yds) - Sam Darnold was horrible I don't care what his stats were (21/35, 215 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT). You are now three years in the league, you can't have a delay of game penalty on the first play of a drive with NO CROWD NOISE. Also, you can't take a sack by running out of bounds when you can throw it away. And finally you can not throw that INT when you have an easy run in front of you that can pick up the first down. Totally inaccurate in the first half and definitely the far inferior QB. I am now officially concerned about what Darnold is and what he'll become

Joe Douglas shows up here and the biggest contracts on the roster are an unavailable inside LB, a past his prime RB, a broken WR, and a terrible CB. His draft assets include a promising QB prospect to go a long with a couple DTs and a safety - and the jury remains out on the QB. C.J. Mosley has played a half of football for the Jets for which he's already been paid $29M and has another $14M fully guaranteed on the way. Le'Veon Bell has been crap here, and now he's on the IR now, too. The OL? Garbage. WRs and CBs? Garbage. Pass rush? Non-existent. Douglas unceremoniously unloaded Trumaine Johnson (who still counts $4M against this year's cap). He got a third and a fifth for Leonard Williams. He'll probably dump Bell the way he dropped TJ, and he'll have a decision to make on Mosley. People continuing to whine about Da Prez are out of their minds. This trade was always going to be a net negative for 2020. This year, the Jets got Bradley McDougald for an over-hyped all pro. That's a downgrade, yeah. But next year, Seattle gives the Jets 1st & 3rd round picks and the Jets give them nothing. The following year the Jets send Seattle a 4th round pick in exchange for another 1st. This was a fantastic trade for the long term health of this team. I understand the frustration that fans are feeling this year but if you want to see the team built right, that's going to take some time. The fact is that there are still a lot of questions regarding the head coach and the quarterback, and the answers are tough to figure out without an off season program, a preseason, and what still amounts to a crappy roster. They're not going to knee-jerk it like the fans and fire the coach week two. They're going to let it play out with Sam in the same system two years in a row for the first time ever. What I see is Joe Douglas hedging his bets this year. He's going to be in better position to improve the team than maybe every other GM in the league next year - especially if the cap takes a big covid hit. He'll be in position to build around Gase and Darnold if that's what he wants, or he'll have enough assets available to attract a new head coach and bring in another QB if that's the direction he decides to go in. This was always going to take time, and this year was always going to be a lengthy evaluation process.

I think we all remember where we were. We wish we didn't have to. Thank you to all that served and continue to serve. We will never forget.

When you watch this team play, you'd be hard-pressed to make a convincing argument that this team practices at all.

Bart Scott had a really interesting comment the other day. He said that “people in the league” still feel like Darnold was (and is) far and away the most talented QB in his draft class, even with Lamar on the board, but they question whether he’ll ever be able to put it together with the Jets, and that having a coaching and front office change happening around him really set him back. You can see that, from a tools and personality standpoint, Darnold *should* be a lot better, but you wonder if and when the Jets ever get it together long enough to see it pay off. Simien and Falk were, without question, horrible, but even the year prior when Darnold had the ankle, the Jets have zero chance to win when Darnold isn’t in the lineup, but he elevates what is a dreadful team all by himself when he does play. He might be better than we think.

I won't answer because the only thing that is garbage is your post.

Historically accurate photos have surfaced...

So we can't be excited about a rookie who looks like a franchise LT? Find another thread if you have a problem with it. There's plenty of those to complain in. We've got 99 problems but a Left Tackle ain't one. Hit me.

Maye has 2 sacks

He stepped in 2 years in a row and raised our OL play from epically terrible to bad, which was a great accomplishment

Mike Maccagnan right now:

Zane getting off the plane.

This is the language that the Johnson brothers will understand

I don't think that's really "secretly"

Was at Rosh Hashanah dinner last night with my family who are all Giants fans. I asked my brother do you think the Jets should tank for Lawrence. He started to crack up. His answer was, boy, you Jets fans must really love being miserable. Do you actually want to see Darnold become a good QB for another team the same way Miami is looking at Tanny? The guy is realistically playing his second season after having mono last season and your WR all suck. Who is supposed to make a play for him? I mean the Giants WR's aren't that good either but at least Shepard makes plays every once in a while and we can throw to Barkley. I explained to him that after the last game, Sam might not be the guy. To that he said, please trade him to the Giants. We would take him in a heart beat over Mr turnover. This is from my brother who has relentlessly teased me about being Jets fan.

Brothers and Sisters, it has been revealed to me that I, a humble man of the board, have been deemed worthy of the title of Captain for this 2020 Campaign. I stand before you my fellow citizens as a servant of our community with a simple message in these trying times...a message of UNITY. We have languished as a populace in the throes of darkness for far too long. Browns fans? Lions fans? They think they know darkness? They have only begun to feel the crushing grip of the vanquished. We are JETS FANS. We have EMBRACED pain, the likes of which these other...."fans"....have only begun to understand. Did we not survive the Mud Bowl? The fake spike? Neil O'Donnell? Only we, the true JETS FANS, can know the pain of a fully unleashed Kotite '96, only to rebound and see our team defeat the ghosts of that dark time with THREE visits to the AFC Championship within 15 years of those troubled and disturbed days. But we are unfulfilled. We DEMAND to see the apex, we DESERVE to reach the pinnacle....but we must do so together! The whole world is in turmoil. Yes. And only together can we weather these storms. We have seen a glimpse of that light at the top of the pit we have been subjected to, after these many years. True, so far it has just been flashes... but THIS IS THE YEAR WE BEGIN OUR CLIMB!!! But we must do it together. The strange and isolating off season is over. The team we have now, the one that is now truly in the beginning of a true rebuild after TWO DECADES of charlatans who acted in bad faith, who forced us to suffer their incompetence while we watched in agony... THIS TEAM is the beginning! No longer will we suffer the refuse and effluence of other franchises. No longer shall we witness the abandonment and dismissal of the Offensive Line for such trivia as....box safeties. We know that a new beginning is upon us. The foundation is being poured. The footings SHALL be stable! You must strengthen your resolve for the job at hand! All here play a role in this. My friend @SAR I, a stalwart former Captain plays a role. We need the interjection of optimism and hope! Let the hope FLOW from all of the "Light Siders". We will need it. Likewise, brothers such as @Warfish and yes, my old rival @bitonti and others, with their realpolitik and demand for RESULTS, these are necessary aspects. The steadying hand of the wise, such as @T0mShane and @GREENBEAN. And yes, of our founder @Maxman and his loyal henchmen.... But our differences DO NOT MAKE US ENEMIES. This journey that will be the 2020 NEW YORK JETS SEASON, it will not be easy. There will be many wayward times and forlorn hopes. Some will abandon the cause. We must temper our anger and allow rhis team to thrive. We must accept that Adam Gase is indeed a madman. I recognize a kindred spirit. But for this year, and perhaps into the future, he is OUR Madman. The time for sedition is over. Accept what we have, and come together in support of our team. To those who come to this place under false pretense....consider the next few days a respite. A time of AMNESTY. No longer will those wolves in sheep's clothing, taking on the guise or user name of a TRUE JETS FAN, be welcome to spew their poisons without repercussions. BE WARNED. I am not as....forgiving...as my predecessors. I welcome you all to a brave new fandom, one in which we have thrown off the yoke of tyranny that we have been subjected to since 2002. The road ahead WILL be rocky, of this I am sure....but the journey is nearing its completion. We are on the righteous path. Those who remain, you are the STRONG. We are the ones who have stayed the course, and will reap the reward of our loyalty! STRENGTHEN YOURSELVES, MY FELLOW JETS FANS! GREATNESS..... IS AT HAND!!

1) Anger. This step can begin as early as the 2nd quarter of a game, and can last as late as Wednesday. Consists of frustration, seeking scapegoats, "fire everyone," and general nitpicking of every individual screw up and lousy call by the officials. It finishes with the attitude that this franchise will never get it right. 2) The breather. This is usually Tuesday. The players have the day off, and so there is very little to hear or read. Even the Jets typically don't pull hamstrings on their day off. No news is a relief. 3) Bargaining. This is often on Wednesday. All of those little nitpicks after the game are spun differently, in a less negative fashion. "Well, when you think about it... they don't have to clean up as much as it looked like." "They weren't that horrible, just a few plays here and there and it was a different game." 4) Acceptance and/or apathy. This can be anywhere from Wednesday until Friday. Reading practice reports, getting injury updates, bashing Manish, etc. "Meh... they're not that good and we know it. But they're probably not that bad either. I'll just watch the next game and see what happens." 5) The upturn. Starts on Friday, picks up steam on Saturday, then carries to Sunday morning. The Jets are going to play better. "The Jets will pull off the upset, 'I guarantee it.'" See ya'll Sunday evening for stage 1 again...

That after last night's game, Mahomes is the only QB in the AFC you'd pick to start a team over Darnold. Watson? Has shown the incredible ability to pad stats at the end of games and convince people he's a game changer. He's not Lamar Jackson? 0-2 in the playoffs. Not to be taken seriously Bills RB Josh Allen? Lol, please. This year, Darnold will surpass all of the players listed above and claim his spot as a top 5 QB in the NFL. It's a great time to be a Jets fan.

I've watched him make a couple of run stops and get cooked in coverage by Edelman and a fullback. I'll take the draft picks.

Palmer didn’t fleece sh*t We took one of the most highly touted QB’s of the last 20 years who was known as a natural born gunslinger and risk taker, and stuck him in the most unimaginative offense possible which calls for some sort of screen pass on 80% of his drop backs... It’s sickening how f*cking inept Gase is. If you think these assh0les wouldn’t ruin Lawrence too, then you’re kidding yourself.

If we get the #1 overall selection, the pick will be Trevor. Whether we like it or not, you cannot pass on him.

Time for folks on here to just admit that he's a good QB.

You've been praising Joe Judge all offseason and anointing him one of the NFL's top HC's already based on Training Camp tweets. But feel free to condescend some more!

It’s happening, 11-5

Ya ya Paxton lynch was a bust. Sucks, but it’s not like he wasn’t selected in the 1st. but seriously. When have I been wrong? -Bell would be a bust -Gase was a fraud -Macc was a Soviet Spy sent to ruin us -Leonard and Quinnen would be a mistake -Ty Montgomery is not an answer -taking back to back Safeties = kiss of death -Im friends with Aaron Jones -Hackenberg? -pubic hair -etc None of this is Nostradamus sh*t. Many of you felt the same way. What’s my point? Why is some arsehole from Canada able to better manage this team then seven-figure professionals? Why do some of your keep drinking the Kool-Aid? would you rather me run this team than the Johnsons?

Personally, I think our fans are underestimating the Hogan signing. He’s no stud, but very serviceable... and he belongs in the NFL, which is nice.

Most will read this as Gase is Antifa.

Guy was decent I guess

Not saying the guy deserved to be shot but WTF do people think is going to happen when you resist arrest and reach into your car for something? Good luck finding anyone to ever be a police officer if this is supposed to be acceptable behavior. I must be getting old because this makes zero sense to me.

Darnold had his usual non-descript press conference which is whatever but when asked if he has the ability to audible to a QB sneak on that 4th and 1 play or had to stick with the play called, he answered "stick with the play". It's year 3 and year 2 with Gase. Gase has got to go! Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

Manish wrote a hit piece which I won’t link. In the piece he claims that Adam Gase did not fight to get in- person meetings with his players throughout camp. Manish cites anonymous sources claiming there are 2 reason for this. 1) Ownership did not want to change the layout at 1 Jets Drive since the arrangements would cost around $1 million dollars in order to be compliant with regulations. 2) Gase doesn’t care about having meetings and would rather not speak to players or coaches. This led to Gase being asked questions about the set up the Jets employed during training camp. Gase stated that Jets rented out an entire hotel for their players for the last month. That their team plan was to create a dorm room for the players to live in and build relationships. Gase also stated that the when their roster is trimmed they will begin with in-person meetings. All of this then lead to pointed tweets from Jets beat writers clearly aimed at Manish. In conclusion, Gase hates Manish, the beat writers hate Manish, Manish does not have credentials.

LOL Darnold has been put in an impossible situation. I know Douglas wants to stockpile picks, but Jesus Christ. At least look into a trade for someone like Robinson or Smith-Schuster. Hell, even a guy like Curtis Samuel. It should be a f*cking crime what the Jets have done to this kid.

Compares him to Walter Jones "Just run your offense behind the Big Ticket."

So little access to Adam Gase. Week 1 is here, this is what the guy that took Manish's press pass asked today. My question is why would Jets fans care if Gase agrees with their assessment? If the team is bad he gets fired. Nobody needs Gase's permission to feel a certain way about him. He didn't ask, what would you say to Jets fans who think you should be fired? He basically tried to bait Gase into saying something bad about Jets fans. Just garbage. The Daily News is going out of business. This isn't helping.

The more important question. Will you finally realize you have no life and that's why you're on a Jets fan site?

Aaaaand the "Offense Sucks" crowd is now scrambling across the room to the "Defense Sucks" side like Usain Bolt finishing the 100m dash.

Lots of good science and data kicked around in that confab for sure.

This Darnold crap is making this place borderline unreadable. Two camps. Camp 1 thinks he can do no wrong and there are no signs of concern. That is not true. Camp 2 thinks Patrick Mahomes could walk right into this same situation an all the sudden the Jets are a terrific offense and Mahomes looks exactly does with the Chiefs. That's also not true. I for one think Darnold has done very well given the cards he's been dealt. He's still got a long way to go and he may never get there.

Is it acceptable that I don't know who Jeff Smith is while simultaneously be worried about his injury?

From their article on the current rash of injuries across the NFL: ”The new turf at MetLife Stadium is also a suspect in this week’s injury mystery, with 49ers players referring to it after Sunday’s game as “sticky” and “trash.” Subtle defects in a playing surface can have a major impact on elite athletes performing at peak capacity and effort, which explains why the Jets weren’t affected.” I mean... damn.

Tannehill: 4th highest passer rating IN HISTORY. All y’all arguing over Sam, but I fervently believe we’ve seen enough from him to justify him starting for us. I pretty much refuse to accept a strategy that ships San out, so he can thrive elsewhere, while we double-down on Gase. Even if we draft a QB next season, find a way to keep Sam... give them both a new coach. Best player starts. Foles/Wentz.

And stripped the ball to force a turnover

Had a mini-stroke when I saw “Adams activated”

I expect Josh Allen to contain the Bills' upgraded WR group.