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The gentleman better be fuming at himself and no one else. This debacle is 100% his fault.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Robbie and LeVeon Bell handle this like men. Jamal, meanwhile.

I am going to file a grievance since I paid to watch this train wreck.

1. Douglas *received* calls and asked for the moon. 2. Cowboys respond with minimal lol-worthy offer of low-first pick and a backup CB 3. Adams spins this to blame Douglas 4. Adams is a ponce

The Jets should receive a first round pick.

going after the wrong guys. The banner needs to be 'Sell the team'

This is a leader and to think the media made him out to be a cancer. Glad we kept him this is what we need

That actually works out because I'm not convinced the Jets are actually holding offensive meetings.

The worst case scenario is happening. The only thing we can't allow to happen. The QB we all waited eons for looks lost, scared and his fundamentals are eroding before our eyes. We can't let this happen. I blame Gase. And I want him gone. I am lost to understand how anyone on this board can say anything in his defense. I have no sympathy for you apologists. I have no patience to listen to your absurd analysis that Gase needs more time for this or that reason. He's inept.

No Quincy. You were paid a lot of money. Reschedule the food until you finish the treatment. and hire someone to take care of the emergency. Rehab is your job right now. You get paid to do it.

If the NY Jets are paying QE and for his healthcare he needs to be where he's scheduled to be. QE will never see the field again in a NY Jets uniform.

The plane worked! Keep donating!

Feels good to hear other people angry!

There seems to be this theme presented that players hate Adam Gase, that certain players in Miami said they would want to be traded if Ross retained him. We don't know exactly what the circumstances were but the one thing we all know as fans is when you let the PLAYERS run the asylum it's over. How many times have we heard about creating a culture like the Patriots. Do you know what it takes to create those cultures? It takes people in charge to have the back of their coach over the players. When Stephen Ross came out publically against Gase regarding his handling of the roster by trading Landry, trading Ajayi, it was OVER. In this day & age with these highly priced athletes when they start making the rules it's over. The hypocracy that you witness in the NFL is laughable. You have ME ME players like OBJ praising Bill Belichick while at the same time the reason for Belichicks success is 100% because the team comes 1st, if you fail to do your job he'll cut or trade you, and I guarantee you if you miss practice or a rehab session without calling in your getting fined! Whether or not you think Adam Gase can coach or not, Chris Johnsons vote of confidence & Joe Douglas fining players for failing to abide by team rules is completely necessary to keep order & create a disciplined environment. As soon as a player says, "I don't want to be here", he's admitting he's soft, has no heart to grind on & do his job & should be shipped out. Not only has Gase taken over a terrible roster, a lot of these guys were use to getting paid, not working hard, taking advantage, missing meetings, and zero disciplinary action taken, from Rex down to the super soft players coach Todd Bowles. Do you know how hard it must be to coach & keep the attention of this many players who realize the free ride is over? GW didn't put up with Trumaine Johnsons BS like Todd Bowles did. How many times did you say to yourself, holy sh*t, TJ isn't even trying! JD wasn't going to let KO dictate what he wanted to do after hiding an injury that he obviously claimed he could play through until times got tough & he realized he really didn't want to play anymore after a big pay day. Gase is coaching a roster where 50% of these guys know damn well they'll be replaced. Try motivating a bunch of sh*tty players to perform at the highest level & do their job. You can see the guys who are busting their azz & the guys that have checked out. There was a time where Leonard Williams would preen flipping his big mane back before putting on his helmet like he was doing a shampoo commercial. He was the big man on the Jets campus. Well, we traded the former 1st round 6th overall for a 3rd rounder. Overpaid & mediocre has been a New York Jet staple. The Chutzpah that Quincy Enunwa displayed by airing dirty laundry about being fined for NOT CALLING THE JETS and missing 2 rehab sessions & bitching about the fine is the perfect example of insanity & something that would NEVER be tolerated in New England. Quincy has made like a million dollars a catch for Christ sake! He should literally be kissing Chris Johnsons AZZ for signing the bottom line of that ridiculous retirement contract he signed! I am 100% with Joe Douglas & Adam Gase if it takes 6 year to turn over this overpaid roster of underachievers. I think I saw a stat the Jets Oline was like top 5 in overall salary, disgusting. Mangini had the right plan & brought in the right players & literally was the biggest reason for Rex success. Once that roster was turned over Rex was allowed to influence the draft, bring in guys like Mason ect. everything fell apart. Joe Douglas & Adam Gase together are trying to change the culture here, and find players that love football. Without Chris Johnson being 100% in & allowing these guys the necessary time and assets to do that job and Joe Douglas supporting Adam Gase & all down the line nothing will ever change at Florham Park. You have to break something down to build it back up. I wish them all luck & as a long time Jet fan I'm 100% supporting them along the way. Will they succeed or fail, no one knows, but they have to be given that chance starting this offseason.

Let me say this about Bell. He has been nothing short of the best team mate another player could ask for. He gives 110% on every play. He has spoken well with the press and we know they suck, he has really been a great fit for the team and the city. He called out the NFL on airing the “ghost” comment. This is a guy we as fans can get behind. He is the consummate professional. I just hope he has the patience to wait for the wins to start coming. I wasn’t sure what we are getting. I’m a fan now ——hope he can bring us to where we all wanna go

There's plenty of parody in the NFL. See the Jets.

I posted a pic in the game thread of my pup, Layla, last week, and the result was great. So, I figured I’d try it one more time. So today, me and my dog, are going to watch Jamal and his dawgs, pound Brady and company. And Sam, just work some more magic with the offense. Let’s show the prime time audience that our season is just beginning. GO JETS!!!!!

What a game today. You don’t trade players like that.

He can look bad at times, he can look very good at times. Even though QB’s take year two leaps, the kid is 22, has been playing QB for like 5 years, he was still a raw prospect albeit a very highly regarded one...this was always going to take time. We are still in the middle of the trials and tribulations of the youngest starting QB since the merger. He shot out 4 touchdowns and looked comfortable. He looked comfortable last week too. We just need to stack more and more games like these. I know the Redskins aren’t very good but they have a decent defense in place. Most importantly, Gase is finally putting Darnold on designed roll outs and the play calling aside from one or two head scratchers was solid today. Gase needs to continue to make the TE’s a part of the passing game because it helped Sam out a lot to have a in-line blocker as well as a receiving option in the same formation.

He threw it away twice after the bad decision he’s STILL very young anyone giving up on him is cognitively challenged

Imagine trolling a rookie QB who put up four TDs and a near-perfect QB rating against the secondary you‘re allegedly the leader of.

Maybe he just ate a bad hot dog in the buffet

I'd rather draft our own guy. He's 31 and will cost a fortune. We need to stockpile picks, not trade them away.

We are very lucky Cleveland blew it with Williams. I really hope he stays with us and doesn’t take a head coaching job elsewhere next season - make him co-head coach if he will stay - because I don’t want anybody else coaching our defense!

Interesting. Discuss.

Another dumb post by the troll

The Ravens are one of the most solid outfits in the NFL the past 20+ years. Annually they've been in the playoffs or in the hunt. Now it could be Jackson is better than Mayfield, Darnold and Allen - the 2018 QBs drafted before him. At the moment that's case closed. But let's wait 5 years before we put him or any of the other '18 QBs in Canton or the bust scrap heap. But I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, and this is taking nothing away from his Jackson's special, exciting skills: his success is in no small measure a result of being in a rock solid, functional NFL organization. Ya know, the antithesis of our Johnson-owned Jets. And Hess before him. Put Darnold in Baltimore where they'd tailor their offense around him as they have with Jackson: I'm guessing he'd be faring a bit better than he is with this currently inept outfit known as the NY Jets.

Chris Johnson has the balls of a termite. So no. Gase will get another year, probably ruin Darnold in the process, and we’ll be back to square one.

Games like these are what this franchise is built for.

I would go best available DT so when we trade Quinnen we have a replacement on the roster.

Jason didn't get the no weapinz memo: https://overthecap.com/thoughts-on-the-jets-implosion/ Every time you think the Jets hit the lowest point they prove everyone wrong and sink even lower, this week hitting what seems like rock bottom in a loss against a Dolphins team that has actively tried to lose games all season long. Life as a Jets fan is just brutal right now. We have not been to the playoffs in 9 years now. The last time the Jets were in the middle of a drought this long the Empire Strikes Back was a new release. The team will not have a winning record for 4 straight seasons, the second time this decade that this has happened. It’s basically the same type of run that the team experienced in the late 80s and early 90s when the team churned through head coaches and fans showed up to games with brown bags over their heads. There is no way to sugarcoat this mess. It’s a complete and utter sh*tshow. Ownership should be embarrassed. The front office should be embarrassed. The players should be embarrassed. The fans should be embarrassed. Any sponsor of the team should be embarrassed. Hell anyone even trying to scalp a ticked on route 17 before a game should be embarrassed to charge someone a penny to watch this team play a game. The blame for this mess needs to fall squarely on ownership for not having any vision of how to run a franchise. The problems date all the way back to the day they fired general manager Mike Tannenbaum in early 2013. Tannenbaum had built the Jets best teams since the late 1990’s under Bill Parcells, but was also a victim of his own success, getting far too aggressive with trades and signings that blew up in his face and saw his team fall from contenders to an 8 and 6 win team. Letting Mike go was understandable but you need a plan when you make such a move and ownership had none. Whether ownership was simply looking for a fall guy or identified the contracts on the team as a reason to let Tannenbaum go they stuck with a head coach, Rex Ryan, who they wanted to be the face of the franchise. Thus started this strange cycle that the Jets owners would hire, with the input of consulting agencies and old NFL executives, a coach and a GM independent of one another, assume they would all hold hands with each other, execute the same vision, and deliver the Jets back to relevance. It was a disaster from day one. No candidate of note wanted to work with the Jets power structure featuring Ryan as top dog and pushing agendas on the team. That led to the team hiring Seattle’s salary cap guy, John Idzik, who was probably the team’s 4th or 5th choice at the start to replace Tannenbaum. Idzik wasn’t Tannenbaum though and didn’t have the personality to handle New York or anything else about the situation. He and Ryan more or less actively worked to undermine each other hoping one would outlast the other. Idzik pretty much alienated everyone in the Jets front office, micromanaging every aspect of the team, and firing good people within the organization. His plan, which was not that dis-similar from the Dolphins current strategy- of tearing down the old and bring in new talent was derailed when Ryan somehow got the team to 8 wins with rookie Geno Smith. When things fell apart the following year all attention turned to Ryan and he would be the guy fired except Idzik didn’t know how to let things work out on their own. Rather than finding ways to privately kill Ryan he continued to be non-accessible to most and then gave a bizarre statement on the state of the Jets that transferred all the ire of the fanbase from Ryan to him. Both were fired after that season. You would think the Jets would have learned from that mistake but they went into round two of the independent coach/GM search this time hiring Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan within days of each other with each reporting to ownership on their own. While they may have had different visions they at least did not publically snipe at one another. Both, however, were in way over their heads. Maccagnan in part got the position because of his scouting background and the fact that he seemingly agreed with the ownerships idea that fixing the team meant bringing back some old faces like Darrelle Revis to make people forget that the Idzik years ever happened. For one year it worked as the Jets nearly made the playoffs before midnight struck and the organization turned into a pumpkin. Maccagnan was arguably the worst general manager to get so many years to fix the Jets since at least the early 90s. He constantly missed on draft picks. He constantly fell back on his “best player available” philosophy rather than taking high valued players at positions you simply don’t find in free agency. His run in free agency was terrible. The team was unprepared and either missed out on players or paid through the nose because they had no feel for the marketplace. Maccagnan was good, however, at working the media and selling his side of the story, a trait that completely escaped Idzik. That saved him for some time even as he and the organization fired coaches and front office staff. Ownership was apparently blind to all of it when they made the biggest blunder of all- retaining Maccagnan in 2019. While the Jets were a disaster in 2018 there were bright spots. They had another top draft pick. They had a salary cap war chest at their disposal in free agency. They drafted a young quarterback with the third pick. It was the perfect time for a new beginning except ownership made the decision that Bowles would be the fall guy and this Mike would stick it out. This was just another Jets mess. They began a coaching search that identified Matt Rhule as their top candidate. All things sounded great except Mike and ownership had visions of building a coaching staff independent of Rhule. Rhule backed out and pretty much called out the Jets for blowing it. The Jets and Maccagnan, who was involved with the coaching search, then turned to Adam Gase. There was no logical reason in the world to hire Gase, whose resume was being the offensive coordinator for Peyton Manning in Denver and then being a one time playoff coach in Miami. The truth was if Gase never matched up against Bowles, who he often beat, and had a fluke win against the Patriots the Jets likely never even considered him. Gase got the job because Manning gave him a ringing endorsement and Manning, like other “consultants” ownership loves, like Charley Casserly and Bill Polian, have their own personal attachments to guys they like. Jets ownership seems blind to it despite every hire being a failure. That began what was the biggest case of mismanagement if not in NFL history than certainly Jets history. The Jets allowed Maccagnan to spend more money on free agents than anyone else in the NFL and to select a player at the top of the NFL draft. During this time Gase reportedly quietly worked to undermine Maccagnan since the team had the same independent structure. In free agency they signed Maccagnan guys like Henry Anderson and Le’veon Bell while getting Gase guys in CJ Mosley and Jamison Crowder. Still it was an unhappy marriage and they fired Maccagnan letting it officially become Gase’s team. It was quite a rise for Gase, one that probably matched that of formed Jets coach Eric Mangini who went from being fired to running an organization before getting fired again. Gase has run the organization into the ground. There is nobody on this planet that can watch any Jets game this season and say that Sam Darnold has progressed under Gase. He looks worse than he did as a rookie with Bowles and quite frankly looks like the second worst quarterback in the first round of that draft, ahead of only Josh Rosen. He makes awful decisions with the football and just seems overwhelmed. Maybe Darnold simply doesn’t have it but Gase has done him no favors with his coaching and putting Darnold in a position to succeed. It’s far worse than Ryan’s attempts to develop Mark Sanchez, the Jets last “franchise QB”. Darnold, like Sanchez, doesn’t have a ton of college experience and is incredibly young. Mentally this can be draining and they are breaking him. Gase had an opportunity with a young QB in Miami and flopped. That was Ryan Tannehill where injury excuses became the norm. Of course he then brought in his guy- Jay Cutler- and shocker of all shockers, he flopped. They brought in players he wanted like Kenny Stills and amazingly the team went nowhere. More often then not they got blown out and were not competitive. He alienated players along the way which seems to be the same thing happening in New York. Yet the Jets hired him anyway. Injury excuses have crept up everywhere. The Jets injury report this week had like 25 guys on it. The same phrase came out in so many places describing the injuries that it was clearly a leak by the Jets to get sympathy for their plight. The fact is the Jets were not even in the top 10 in salary on injured reserve. The Steelers lost Ben Roethlisberger and are 4-4. The Chiefs won a game without Patrick Mahomes and have missed offensive linemen and receivers at times. The 49ers are undefeated with numerous guys on the shelf. How often do the Patriots do it with guys down? Yes the Jets are missing a bunch of linebackers. Yes they are down one of their wide receivers. But the facts are so are most teams in the NFL. You learn to deal with these injuries. Is anyone giving the Falcons a pass for injuries? Are the Redskins getting a pass because Alex Smith suffered a gruesome injury in 2019? Those coaches were or are going to get fired because they cant work with what they have on the field. The Jets just have a bad team. They have a bad team because ownership elected to let a guy set the table who had no business being on the team in January and because they hired a coach that needed to go back to being a coordinator to re-assess how to be a head coach in this NFL. There is no bright spot for the Jets team. The QB looks blah. The high priced running back looks blah because they have no offensive line. They cant cover anyone in the secondary. They have nobody that can rush a passer. They need an entirely new offensive line. Yes all five guys. Its one of the worst rosters in the NFL featuring a few overpriced players and a QB on an affordable contract for two more years. Older fans like myself often reference the Kotite era when talking about the Jets. Kotite was an inept coach who was a bizarre hire coming off a failure with the Eagles. It was only a two year run in New York but it left such a lasting impact people to this day still talk about it. For younger fans who could not really grasp 1995 and 1996 or were simply not alive then you are now getting your Kotite. Adam Gase is Rich Kotite. It’s playing itself out on the field before your eyes. You have earned your green badge of honor suffering through this kind of season. If you were not here before welcome to Jets hell. You officially get what it means now to be a Jets fan. It is a near impossible spot for new general manager, Joe Douglas, who got the job in early June. Douglas is the only person within the organization that should be free of most of the blame for this mainly because he had little to do with it. He made a bad decision to sign Ryan Kalil to be the team’s center and may have had a role in the Osemele mess, but otherwise this is on ownership for keeping Maccagnan. Everything I have heard about Douglas from people I know has been pretty glowing. Would it be nice to have seen him in front of some of this mess the last few weeks? Yes it would have been, but at the same time I’m not sure what he could say that doesn’t come across as bashing the last GM for the team that he inherited. Douglas’ biggest challenge is what to do with Gase. Gase and Douglas share the same representation and that was supposedly a big reason why Douglas got the job. This would be an opportunity to have two guys on a similar page for the first time in a decade. Except Gase stinks and has to go. You can’t let Gase go full on Kotite and hit 96. That won’t help Douglas either and hell get a really short least with the fanbase if Gase is here next year and doesn’t start at least 4-3. If he fires Gase ownership has to let him pick his guy not another arranged marriage by the Johnsons. Challenge number two is going to be what to do in the draft. Douglas did not pick Darnold, though those two also share the same agent. Right now the Jets are slotted for the second overall pick and will have every opportunity to earn the number 1 pick. Do you encourage competition and take a QB if you are bad enough to finish with the top overall pick? That is probably a fair question. If you are set on Darnold can you turn that high pick into multiple firsts to fix the team? The team has cap room next year at $62 million and change which will rank 12th in the NFL, but that wont go so far with so many holes on the roster. They also have backed themselves into a corner with the way they have handled this Kelechi Osemele situation when it comes to free agency. Between that and how bad the team is they are going to have to continue to overpay pretty significantly to get people to come to the organization. They have a bad reputation and that doesn’t work in the NFL. They let their trade talks become public and now have an issue with Jamal Adams that is going to have to be addressed next year. Most likely he will be traded. Adams shares his thoughts on social media and clearly is unhappy with the team. My guess is it will reach a point where they simply have to move him. They reportedly asked for a lot- two first rounder’s was the initial report and now it’s grown into first rounder’s plus established offensive linemen. I don’t think they will get either next year if he begins to ask for a trade. The Jets have to find a way to fix this mess and fast. You can’t keep selling the fans on no playoffs somehow being a success simply because you stunk so bad the year before that incremental improvement is fine. Going from 4 to 6 wins is not improvement. Douglas is inheriting a mess but by 2021 this has to be a contender. If you stick with Gase it better be in 2020 because what else is he bringing to the team otherwise? The quickest way for this team to be relevant is to get a new coach who hires his own staff and answers to Douglas that can maybe catch the NFL by surprise. Turn the high draft picks, unless you are taking a QB, into multiple assets and build a real core not of safeties, linebackers, and run stuffing tackles, but of offensive linemen, pass rushers, and cornerbacks. Use whatever cap room you have to put some short term solutions on the field and then be ready to fly by 2021. The goals for ownership has to be the playoffs sooner rather than later and they have to communicate this with the fans. If they cant get there by 2021 they need a new front office. It doesn’t take that long anymore to be competitive. Whether he sticks with Gase or not or sticks with Darnold or not these are now his decisions. He’s locked into Mosley, Crowder, Bell, Enunwa, and maybe one or two others. Everyone else is on him. But he has to show major improvements to the team in the next two years and ownership has to stay out of his way. Nothing else is acceptable. It’s a nightmare and it stinks to say that most likely we have to wait to 2021 to see a quality team put on the field but the Jets cant just keep their fingers crossed about 2020 and continue to do more of the same. Its failed all of us for 8 or 9 years now. Nobody deserves another 8 or 9 years of this.

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I posted this somewhere else but wanted to share it here. We have all these plans, but this shit can end in an instant. Be thankful for every day.

Screw them. Screw Brady. Screw Belichick. They suck. Screw them.

He’s transgender

Not sure why he is expected to show up for work, he only makes 9 million a year.

I’ve just informed child services. Expect a knock at the door

Why don’t you donate the money to injured veterans or starving children and then just punch yourself in the dick instead

I don't think so. Fire Gase. That is an absolute must do. Draft O-line hardcore. Sign O-line hardcore. Retain Bell, Crowder, Herndon, maybe Griffith. Everyone else can go at O-skill. Sign best WR's possible. Draft WR mid-rounds if possible. Darnold gets 2020 to show us. Top 15 in ACTUAL production for QB's, or he too is gone. Three seasons is enough to know what you got.

Joe Douglas came in and said, "this is a complete mess and I did not cause or create this mess...now, as the new GM, I need to get this franchise out of this mess" and that is exactly what he is doing. Complete fire sale. Everyone is up for grabs at the right price. He's doing the right thing and I agree with this move. Well done, JD.

He was never close to broken. We live in a reactionary instant gratification society that lost their minds when they saw a young QB have a bad game on National TV while being micd up. Idiotic narratives are created out of thin air with little context. Sam Darnold will be an elite quarterback in this leuage. His ability is obvious to anyone with half a football brain.

He’s going to be the best QB out of the 2018 class been saying that since day 1 even after the “ghosts” game the pat-loving media jizzed all over

1. Sign Kaepernick on Saturday 2. Beat the Redskins on Sunday 3. Darnold shows up on Wednesday with cornrows. 4. Staten Island by Friday night:

Why? Kerry Rhodes first 3 years with the Jets: 10 INT’s, 8 sacks, 24 passes defended Jamal Adams first 3 years with the Jets so far: 2 INT’s, 5.5 sacks, 21 passes defended How the hell is this even a debate? And Rhodes was a 4th round pick, not 6th overall. If Adams didn’t go around constantly beating his chest and flapping his gums then no one would give two sh*ts about him and would routinely call him out for the disappointment he’s been.

Mike Maccagnan did not set Gase up for success AND Gase is not a good head coach. Drafting Jamal Adams instead of one of the two best QBs available was a bad move AND Jamal Adams is an elite safety. The Jets have an awful offensive line, Adam Gase is not a good head coach AND Sam Darnold has regressed and is making awful decisions. Feel free to add to the list. I'll be waiting for some clever, snarky comments that are not at all old and tired.

I am one of the smallest Jamal adams fans but no chance i would deal him for williams alone let alone add picks.

Seems like taking on players other teams don’t want isn’t a great way to build a roster. Who knew?