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Having been through 2 rehabs around 20 years ago, I can honestly say that the success of these programs are only as good as the motives you go in with. My first stint was forced upon me if I wanted to continue my college career. Didn't think I belonged there and after finishing my month and being reinstated went back to what I enjoyed(just more secretively). Second time was at the behest of my ex and again, just doing it to get people off my back. Again, went back to my old ways and, the marriage ended. The day my ex moved out, I realized how many people I had hurt through my addiction and in a moment of absolute clarity I admitted to myself that I was powerless to change, got on my knees and prayed that Jesus would take this burden from me. From that night on (20 years in November) I have not touched a drink or drug. The desire was taken from me. I'm not trying to go religious here, just giving credit where credit is due. Only an inner change can bring forth a change in character. I hope Goodoen has finally had a moment of clarity, not to just save his butt, but to save his life. The rewards are immeasurable.

Yeah, the guy who sat on his couch for five months until being offered a one-year deal by a team that recently suffered injuries to both starting guards is really making us eat some crow.

Megatron vs Megadrop

Cool. We get a compensatory pick in 2014 now.

The Jets didn't have a top 10 defense last year. 15th against the run and 10th against the pass according to FootballOutisders, hardly the standard Ryan has consistently brought as a coach.

I don't think Mark has won anything yet. I think that's waaaaaaaaaaay overstating things. It's still early. That said, I agree with the rest of what you have said. Sanchez should start the season, take whatever pounding is necessary until the OL gels, give Geno time to really get comfortable in the NFL, solidify his footwork, command in the huddle, his ability to read Ds, learn the offense, etc., then bring him in at some point following the 5th -6th game of the season. It would be absolutely foolish imo to start Geno now just because we're tired of seeing Sanchez. That would be taking a big chance of ruining him even as a backup. And if the team starts him and he flops, what then? They couldn't bring in Sanchez then, and most Jets fans would go nuts if they then had to start McElroy the rest of the season. The only sane thing is to start Sanchez and then bring Smith in when he's ready. If the light goes on for Geno between now and the 1st game of the season and he blows the lid off in the remainder of TC, preseason and practices, fine, start him, but if not, then Sanchez should start.

This. It's 100% right to start the incumbent in the first preseason game. Not a lot to read into here. Wouldn't be surprised if Geno starts the second game. If Mark gets the nod again, then -maybe- we can start to assume that Mark is in the lead. But it's the guy who starts the third preseason game that's gonna start the regular season.

UPDATE: withdraw your apologies to bitonti.

On the Hill TD, it was the last play of the scrimmage, with Hill running alone against a guy who's fighting to be the 6th corner, with no safety help over the top. It was not dissimilar to when teams allow the Make-a-Wish kid to take a handoff and score a TD in practice.

This has got to be one of the most absurdly incorrect things you have written, which is saying a lot.

There is every reason to believe Mike Goodson is in Rehab. The team knows where he is, and have no problem with it. They do not talk about it, since as his employer it is illegal to do so. The media is also quiet about this, there are no “where is he” investigations. Mike Goodson of the New York Jets is just not that big, so there is no money in it for gossip tabloids who are willing to pay reporters and paparazzi. While a bona fide journalist has protection under the constitution, as interpreted by the courts, from the non-disclosure laws, the person who leaks a story or provides information to the reporter is not. Whoever gave the reporter information is doing something illegal. They are at risk for punishment by the state, their employer or whatever. It seems that the case for the gun charges is weak, since the driver of the car told the police the gun was his. So if Goodson has already completed Rehab it is likely there will be no jail time for the Pot found on him. Goodson is being proactive rather than reactive, the team knows this, that is why Rex is not frustrated. Completing Rehab also means the NFL is less likely to suspend him for more then one game, if that. I use to make referrals to Rehab programs in my job so I would like to explain some things about Rehab programs. You did not have to be an addict to go to rehab. All you had to do was feel that your abuse of a substance was causing a problem in your life and you wanted to stop. In theory, addiction only occurs when there is a physical dependency like heroin or alcohol. But a person could have a psychological dependency, and not be considered an addict. Yet they are having problems because of the abuse. That person should also go into a rehab program, although not an addict. The problem may be getting drunk once a week on Saturday nights. But if you missed work on Sunday, to this extent it was causing problems in your life. If you can not stop this behavior on your own, you should go to rehab. But rehab is very, very expensive since you are an inpatient, so self-help programs, such as AA, exist for problems with a dependancy. But these programs can not work with a true addiction. Their rate of success is not as high for a dependancy as are formal Rehab programs. A program can be as short as 28 days and as long as a year. It depends on the type and severity of the problem. In Goodson's case there is an indication that it is for both pot and alcohol with alcohol being the greater problem. By law, the Jets can not say he is in rehab, it is a medical problem. The Rehab programs can be modified for special situations, a trainer can be brought in, in fact some type of physical activity is a part of most programs. Goodson has a lot of time for reading and studying the playbook. A program is not prison, and it is not meant to punish, but is client-centric and meant to improve the quality of life. Including running the ball since that is Goodson's job. People think Rehab is a bad thing, it is not. Rehab is short for rehabilitation and is vindication of a person’s character and the re-establishment of that person’s reputation. It is a good thing not a bad thing. Rehab is nothing more then a period of time for isolation from the people and triggers that cause you to abuse the substance. It is also a chance for the substance to drain from your body and your body to adjust to once again being substance free. Doctors are there so that if you have a physical addiction, not just a dependency, they can treat the side effects of withdrawal (DT's or "delirium tremens in the case of alcohol). These are combined with a education program in order to learn how to avoid the abuse of substance in the future. When completed it is followed by an outpatient program for support and reinforcement. The most important thing is the client wants to change their behavior, it can not be forced on someone and be successful. Goodson wanted to change, because of the character defects his usage caused, and that is a good thing.

Everyone, apologize to bitonti.

I'd have to look it up, I believe LionelRichie (poster) had asked whether the Jets would retain Mark Sanchez if he could be cut without penalty. Under that scenario the team wouldn't be paying him $8M, and under that scenario, I answered the way I did. A lot of the angst for Sanchez is the money he is tying up...that amount has forced the team into gifting him the starter role...which in turn has made him into one of the league's worst QBs. We have HAD to start him because like it or not, he HAS been the best QB on our roster for the last 4 years, and at his salary looking for a replacement has not been paramount. Like I mention in my post, If we could've cut him (gift receipt in hand) 3 months ago, we would have. If nothing else just to change the perception of the team as being a joke-circus. However, sift through the tea leaves. 3 months ago Sanchez' replacement options were (a now injured/retired) David Garrard, Kevin Kolb (being beaten out by a rookie in EJ Manuel), Matt Flynn was floated around (he's barely beating an UDFA), and maybe Vince Young (who just left his couch three days ago). Three months ago, Yes. Right now? No. Sanchez is actually the best QB option available on the FA market, should he hit it right now...and (wait for it), he's the best QB for our team.

1 for every 100 pounds you weigh... so like 7 - 8.

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I hope my response won't be seen as a cop-out, but I actually think that all of you guys have good points. I understand where GL is coming from, don't think he had an agenda, and do think the D was pretty good. By the same token, I agree with others of you that imo the D was not really a top 10 D. How many times on 3rd and 17 did they give up first downs? Do top 10 Ds usually do that? No. I also agree that many factors can influence how a team plays in a game or vs a particular opponent (weather, injuries, matchups, field position, etc.). The fact that it was almost a guarantee that Sanchez would turn the ball over a couple of times HAD to have had an impact on the game plans and decision making of opposing OCs and HCs. I don't think stats alone give an accurate picture. Not long ago someone posted a thread that purported to show that by some screwy metric, Sanchez was actually better than a number of the top QBs in the league at one particular thing. Does anyone seriously think that Sanchez is a topflight QB? No. Stats can give some understanding to what's happening on the field, but we have to use our eyes and brains as well. Cromartie did play extremely well as did Wilson and the others in pass D after Revis went down, but that doesn't necessarily mean that opposing teams were afraid of them or significantly altered their plan of attack on offense because of that.

We're boo'ing Sanchez because of his last 32 games and because he's the buttfumble guy, NOT because he's still throwing rookie-type INT's in a green & white scrimmage game. Cromartie doesn't want us there because we are expressing our displeasure as fans who support the team? Ok, then simply just don't go to any games that Sanchez is the starter just like Cro said.........I bet Sanchez is benched shortly after.

Not necessarily, but even if it is, it doesn't mean that Geno should start over Sanchez. I get it. You're sick of Sanchez and thinking with your heart, but Jets fans need to think with our heads. We need to think about the long term and not the short term. Barring a major miracle and divine intervention, Sanchez will be gone and no longer a Jet next year. Geno could be the long awaited franchise QB we've been needing. It would be criminally stupid to rush Geno into the starting lineup and risk ruining him just because we were impatient and didn't want to have to see Sanchez any more. We need to get over that. Let Geno start when he's ready; otherwise suck it up and start Sanchez.

THE LACES WERE IN.

I agree that he's earned a pink slip and sucks. I was speaking more in terms of a general policy of showing respect to veterans and making rookies work for a starting spot. Even with Sanchez sucking, I'd rather him take the beating from Suh, Ansah and Fairley than Geno and during the first 4-5 games of the season. IMO they have to go about it in that way. If Geno were to start and suck, what would they do then? They couldn't go back to Sanchez and most don't think McElroy is the answer. If they start Sanchez and the team sucks and is out of the playoff hunt early, then there's no pressure on Geno and they can see what they have in him for the rest of the season. If he sucks, then they know they need to draft another QB high next year. If he plays well, they'll know they have their starting QB going forward and can plan accordingly. Either way, Sanchez should no longer be on the team next year. As long as he's here this year, they might as well make him earn his paychecks by taking a beating on the field while the OL gels.

when someone accuses you of not being classy and your response is FUCCCCC YOUUUUU! they might have a point.

it's ironic that all the people who hate Sanchez want the Jets to ruin Geno the same way by giving him a job he didn't earn. Mark should have had real competition before year 5 and Geno should win the job outright, not be given it. no more giving people jobs.

Just wanted to say Thanks FL on the work you're doing!

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A solid if not terrific Jet career will now be remembered for Mark Sanchez's inability to use basic cognitive skills.

I'm not sure what the problem is other than this board being full of size queens. Wouldn't you prefer Wilson right up on Gronkowski to watching Pace flail his arms from 11 yards away? Sure Wilson is going to get muscled by TEs sometimes, but I think the idea is to have him play FS out in space where we want him to cover ground and break on the ball. Personally I like Trufant in the slot but he is coming off the ACL IIRC. Lankster too. Against the pass our best set might be with Wilson @ FS, Landry SS, with Trufant or Lankster in the slot and Milliner and Cro outside. The idea is to get the best guys on the field, not be all caught up in labels.

His heart and or butt is not into playing again

This is true, but he was mocked for puking all over himself, having to go to the hospital because he was so drunk, possibility of going to jail, and losing your million dollar job. All this in one nightmare night. I think this is enough to cause a person to reevaluate his life and the path he is following.

His lawyer could have suggested he go in good faith. Just speaking from experience.

It was all Doug Brien's fault you guys

And yet till date no make a wish kid has ever ran into a lineman's ass.

hahaa...Why you mad, brah? Serious question. Are you more upset that: (1) Sanchez is on our team, (2) He's soaking up so much cap space, or (3) he's under performing? If it's #1: For all intents and purposes, he's a great teammate. He's the first player in, the last guy out. He's a tireless worker and goes out of his way to take on the role of being a New York quarterback. Before last year, he displayed that he could improve from season to season, and has been developing his professional skills, both on the clock and on his own dime. If it's #2: You're allocating your anger in the wrong direction. Can't fault a man for taking more money than he's worth; that's on his employer. Perhaps it's selfish of him to accept that kind of dough, knowing he isn't meeting expectations. But truth be told I'd do the same. I might even "hook my employer up" by converting some of my salary into a bonus. But that's the humanitarian in me. If it's #3: That's also on his employer. Because like it or not, Mark Sanchez has been the best QB on our roster for the last four years. We finally spent something significant on a QB (a 2nd round pick not named Kellen Clemens). Is it possible you just don't like the Jets? Perhaps you not getting the JN-Captain nod is seeping into your subconscious, and you're taking it out on Mark because of a couple interceptions, fumbles, and embarrassing SportsCenter highlights. I get it. Mark is the fall man. But here's the deal. Our ENTIRE team has sucked for the last year and a half. I've seen our defense lose us games. I've seen our ST coverage units lose us games. I've seen players drop passes, I've seen mis-tackles, and fumbles a plenty. Mark is still the QB of my favorite football team and until he gets passed up, and I will throw my support behind him and optimistically hope for the best.

A: Until the last two practices, Geno has reportedly been the better quarterback. B: No, Sanchez has been better. A: Based on what? B:

But what about how good he is at interviews?

Kid reminds me a lot of a Jordan Shipley lite, but during his Texas days before all the injuries in the NFL. And notbecause he's white, but the fact that they were both track guys who have a very similar style of play...well, not only because he's white.

Suspect that it's more than a trend. This is a problem with football stats. Defense is not by itself in a vacuum. How a game is coached and played is dictated by how great or awful your opponent is, and especially if their offense can score points. Football stats are helpful only to a point. And if you have a very good QB or a defense that gets to the QB, the rest of your team is much less critical. When Ryan babbled about how great a pass defense the Jets had last year he should've had his fat mouth filled with pigs feet. It was crap. No one bothered to pass against the Jets because they would rather play field position , keep their own offense form taking chances and waiting out the inevitable Sanchez eff up. Further this top 10 defense nonsense doesn't take into account whether the offense on said team was any good and how that impacted how a game was played and coached each week, This thread acts like defense is a totally separate variable rather than one impacted by a team's offense and specials. A great punter might give that defense and extra 10 yards more to defend. A defense matched with a superior offense might not be all that good, just cleaned up a lot of blowouts. There are probably any number of other permutations that this thread hypothesis doesn't take into account.

So I'm going to have to retract some of my tone. I was going back and forth between this and 'the other' board today and all of those comments were said (some paraphrased) over there. This place is a lot more rational for the most part. So to that extent, mea culpa. But in fairness, RSJ did leave this gem later in this same thread: "Did you ever take into consideration that Sanchez threw that TD to a first team WR, going against the second team defense? " Unless we're figuring out whether every pass both QBs threw was against which defense, this is sort of the thing I was referring to. If Geno had thrown that same TD pass against the 2nd team defense, would the same poster have made the same comment?

100% agree. love this

Sounds great in theory, but bit is amongst the very last people on this entire board who has any room to judge anyone else when it comes to such things. There is no one more notorious for blatantly distorting the facts and ignoring any points that don't support his position, to the point of even regularly deleting things out of posts he quotes to which he has no counter. The reality is he's against Geno because Geno was an Idzik pick and he dislikes Idzik because Idzik traded away Revis. Besides, considering most of the reports about Sanchez from the scrimmage revolved around his INT and him falling over on his ass, I'm not even sure where he's exactly deriving this theory that Sanchez was the "winner" of the scrimmage. If Rex feels that way than so be it, it is what it is, but it still doesn't give any reason for people to feel differently about Sanchez's prior 4 years of awfulness.

Not for nothing, but based on that article, Sanchez has a much thicker skin than Manish Mehta. I think fans should boo Mehta to see if he can handle it as well as Sanchez.

I don't really agree. His problem appears to be getting his head around. At S he'd be facing the ball and he looks decent in zone to me. I think he'd be a good part time S to use against pass happy teams. The other guys we have are mainly in the box guys. Seems more like an indictment of Bush than anything else.

youre being sarcastic but DBs often drop easy ints. which is why they are DBs not WRs.

When someone accuses you of being nuts for continuing to slurp DRob because of some esoteric workout numbers and your response is "Vernon Gholston is great" they might have a point.