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  1. Drafting Bryce Petty in the 2nd round now instead of the 4th, smart!
    6 points
  2. For each possible QB move the Jets might make, please select the response that best reflects your reaction to the move.
    4 points
  3. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-broncos-should-be-favorites-for-kirk-cousins-and-who-he-should-pick-is-clear/ With Jimmy Garoppolo already signed and Drew Brees making it clear he only wants to dance with the Saints, and Alex Smith already traded, Kirk Cousins and Case Keenum are now the most interesting quarterbacks in the world. At least their future will create the most intrigue between now and February 20, when franchise and transition tags can be placed on players. I am going to assume for the purposes of this column that Washington doesn't truly go rogue and place a tag on Cousins. Therefore, I am assuming -- as is everyone in the football world I've talked to about this over the last week -- that Cousins is an unrestricted free agent. And I am going to assume that the Minnesota Vikings, with no quarterback under contract for 2018 who has ever thrown an NFL pass, will decide between now and March 6 (the deadline to tag a player) to place a tag of some sort on Keenum and, at worst, rent him for $21 million next season, rather than get into the $30 million-per-season stratosphere that it will require to secure Cousins' services long-term. Should the Vikings end up not getting something secured with Keenum prior to the start of free agency, to say nothing of Teddy Bridgewater, then obviously the Cousins market could change drastically. But under these parameters, I would anticipate Cousins opting between the Jets and Broncos in the end. And if that is the case, assuming the money being offered is relatively similar, then which is the better gig? Where would a quarterback be better off going? Which situation might feel the most like home? What are the pros and the cons? Ultimately, the money could render this a moot point (it's never about the money ... only its always about the money). But if it doesn't, would you rather be making around $30 million a year the next five-to-six years for the Jets or the Broncos? Personally, I'd lean hard to the Jets. Let me explain why. We'll start with ownership. From everything I have heard, life has been more pleasant and productive around Florham Park since Chris Johnson took over as acting owner in New York, with Woody Johnson serving as an ambassador abroad. Of course, you never know how long that gig will last given the problems facing the current presidential regime, but Woody's brother has earned high marks for his stewardship and leadership, and his commitment to the team within that building and around the league. As for the Broncos, Joe Ellis has done good work serving as the acting owner, though it remains to be seen which of Pat Bowlen's heirs eventually takes over as the acting owner of the Broncos with that franchise placed in a trust. The timeline for any transition remains murky. As for the coach, Vance Joseph was clearly under heavy consideration to being fired after just one year on the job. The Broncos fell well below expectations, and the defense started showing signs of slipping. In the end, his job was spared, but the coaching staff was overhauled below him, and he enters 2018 as someone who will be on most hot seat lists. That's where Jets coach Todd Bowles found himself going into 2017, when many were predicting the Jets would flirt with 0-16. Instead they exceeded expectations and Bowles was rewarded with a contract extension a few months ago. Then one must evaluate the rosters and the course of the franchise over the next few years. The Jets went through their purge in the last 15 months or so, making difficult decisions, paring down the roster, creating a ton of cash as well as cap and roster flexibility for the next two offseasons. They already dealt with the PR fallout and consternation about parting with recent legends like Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangoldand David Harris, and cut the cord with guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brandon Marshall and Sheldon Richardson, who created a stir in their final year with the team. It's only a matter of time before they part with Muhammad Wilkerson, their highest-paid player who was a healthy scratch under duress late last season, and create more room to add talent. The Broncos are trying to trade their top corner, Aqib Talib, who has worn out his welcome with on- and off-field issues. Chris Harris might not be around there more than another year or so, and their recent drafts have been light on replacements. Offensive line has been a bit of a blindspot for John Elway, and protection is an issue. You could make the case they a descending team more in line for a purge coming off their Super Bowl cycle, while the Jets are more of a blank slate prepared right now to build around a capable quarterback. On paper, Denver would have a big advantage given the talent of receivers Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, but are they what they once were? There were rumblings about some tumult in that receiver room last season and guys looking lethargic, being not as motivated as they once were, running sloppy routes and hanging young QBs out to try at times. Both will likely be gone within two years anyway. One could make the argument that having to toggle between Trevor Siemian, Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler would be more than enough to suck the life out of any veteran receiver, but its worth noting that Cousins shares an agent with Siemian, so he'd probably have the scoop on that situation. Oh, and he also shares an agent with Josh McCown, who was having a career year prior to getting injured in New York, so he'd have fairly intimate knowledge of that locker room and the direction of the team as well. As for a scheme fit, both of these teams have been churning through offensive coordinators. The Broncos are run by Elway, who has Gary Kubiak on his personnel staff, and they know and love the Mike Shanahan version of the West Coast offense that Cousins was drafted into and thrived under in Washington. Bill Musgrave is currently running their offense. The Jets are building in the same mold. Their offensive coordinator, Jeremy Bates, was also promoted from within like Musgrave. Bates is a Shanahan disciple as well who knows how the passing game functions, while the Jets I'm told are bringing in Rick Dennison to operate the run game. Guess what? He's a Shanahan disciple as well and part of his and Kubiak's old staffs. So the Jets, too, have the pieces in place to run the offense Cousins has already mastered, and with $80 million in cap space they can add offensive talent through trades and free agency (keeping blossoming tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins would be a boost, too, and I wouldn't bet against it) Then there is the prospect of expectations. The last time the Broncos added a big-money, veteran free-agent quarterback he was named Peyton Manning, he quickly took them to two Super Bowls and won one Lombardi Trophy there. This is a team that has a very recent pedigree of playoff success -- though one that's now seemingly in decline -- with a fanbase that believes it should be deep in the postseason more years than not. In Denver, can you ever really escape the ghosts of Manning and Elway? The Jets, um, notsomuch. They haven't had a competent quarterback for multiple seasons in forever. Chad Pennington was the best they've had in decades, and there were always concerns about his arms. He's been gone for a decade. Before that, they got some good late years from Vinny Testaverde and, like, Richard Todd before that in the 1980s. That's where the bar is set. Cousins coming in and duplicating what he did in Washington would go down by far as the most prolific passing seasons in franchise history. Period. Just keep being himself, and he's set up to be a legend. Add in the fact that Bill Belichick and Tom Brady can't stick around forever (right?), and the AFC East might actually -- finally -- open up in a year or two (Andy Reid and Jon Gruden being in the AFC West isn't great new for the Broncos). Size it all up, and I'm going to the Jets, who played over their heads last season and seem like a young, energetic team. Yeah, they went 5-11, but were competitive all season until McCown got hurt, while the Broncos were prone to blowout losses and sideline tempests. New York managed to beat Kansas City, Jacksonville and Buffalo -- all AFC playoff teams -- and have multiple high picks and tons of money to spend. I anticipate they come at Cousins hyper-aggressively with a holistic approach to how they plan to build around him. He'll be the center of it all in a way Washington never displayed. Strip away whatever the nicknames of the teams connotes -- forget their past glories, or ignominies, which really don't have anything to do with this exercise -- and you could make a very strong argument for Cousins launching he next phase of his career in The Big Apple.
    4 points
  4. Was totally expecting something very different with this thread title.
    4 points
  5. As far as the immediate future, we should be addressing quarterback and the interior offensive line this year. If I had to set priorities for this offseason, those two would be the pillars; that's where the opportunities are this offseason. I'm not a big Kirk Cousins admirer, but he's clearly a top third of the league quarterback. It's been said this is a great quarterback draft class as well. Ideally, we would be picking in the top three and thus guarantee ourselves one of the consensus top three: Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. But we pick six. And you can't plan to be lucky. That's why I argue for making a big push to sign Cousins. He fits the Bates/Dennison system, he's young enough to build around, he's available and we have the money. Is he truly elite? No. But the next best option is trading up in the draft to secure ourselves one of the top three quarterbacks. It's a plan B because we don't know the price (and might not be willing to pay it) and we don't know which pick and what quarterback we could presumably get. There are too many variables and we can't plan for this at this point in the process. We're likely to cut Carpenter because of the cap savings, his age and his deteriorating play. So on top of needing a center, we'll need a guard. Jensen from Baltimore seems like the only good center available right now so we need to make a big play for him. Luckily there are three good guards presumably available this year in Norwell, Pugh, and Kline. Sign one of them. Start the offseason like that, signing Cousins, Jensen, and one of those guards and we'll be much improved with a lot of cap leftover and the draft to address other needs. There are some offensive tackles, cornerbacks and pass rushers being spoken about in the first two rounds that could be worthwhile. There's also Allen Robinson and Demarcus Lawrence that could be available in free agency if we're willing to spend and they're willing to sign here. And if we can't get Cousins, we should still sign those offensive linemen I mentioned earlier and then target a quarterback in the draft we love and be aggressive; trade up for him.
    4 points
  6. People are always complaining that we don't have speedy receivers. Now they complain our receivers have too much speed. Make up your mind.
    4 points
  7. A football player can’t even rape a cops wife and Nut in her eye anymore, what’s the world coming to?? I think all the players should kneel for this next year!
    4 points
  8. Pretty amazing that we’re in an era of football where one team commits pervasive acts of cheating and everyone knows about it, but we all just kind of accept that this is just how it is.
    4 points
  9. If we're drafting a QB at 6 overall who won't start for three years we're doing it wrong. Just say NO to Josh Allen.
    4 points
  10. Not for nothing but we're in a prime spot to be a serious contender next season and I don't think it's difficult at all to nail this offseason. We're going to have over 100 million in cap space which puts us in a prime spot to land some major talent and get some major upgrades here to an already young talented team. We also have the 6th pick which is going to land us a significant talent along with two picks in the 2nd round giving us 3 picks in the Top 50 in a talented draft. The plan should be simple because they have to decide which direction they want this franchise to go. Do they go with Cousins and just throw everything at him and build this franchise around him for the next 5-7 years? Are they convinced this guy is the answer at QB? We are fortunate enough to have the funds available in a time where there is a potential franchise QB on the market to be had. I myself can't remember the last time there was one to be purchased. If management feels Cousins is it then they go and get him. 5 years $150 million gets it done. Now we protect this guy by drafting Quenton Nelson at 6. They can go out and get Cousins a true #1 receiver by signing Allen Robinson who's been seen liking a Jets related tweet so maybe? We'll still have money to sign a Center and not risk drafting one and having him slip up and getting Cousins killed. So they go out and sign Ryan Jensen or Weston Richburg. On top of that they'll still have funds available to get a Trumaine Johnson here. So now we're talking the QB position is solved and the CB1 position is solved along with now having a true #1 WR. With our two picks in the 2nd draft Sony Michel or Ronald Jones to give us that home-run hitter on offense and with the other pick they can upgrade either the LT position or the CB position or the OLB position. With those moves that roster looks extremely good. The other route is drafting a QB at 6. I don't have time to write up a full scenario but it would involve resigning McCown and making similar moves. Either way the plan should be simple. Get it done guys.
    3 points
  11. The players on that list ahead of Adams were picked # 17, 26, 27, 34, 41, 46, 98, and 133 overall. Did it ever cross Maccagnan's mind that great strong safeties can be found anywhere in the draft?
    3 points
  12. I don't think anyone dislikes Adams. He seems like a great kid. A nice player to have on your team. The problem is where he was selected. Top 10 picks should be used on premium positions (which he doesn't play), and exceptional athletic talent (which he doesn't have).
    3 points
  13. Let's hope he lives a normal life Football is a dream for him now
    3 points
  14. Great plan. Too bad the free agents have a say where they go.
    3 points
  15. Not all the positions in the original post are holes. There is a difference between a hole(Center, CB, RB) and not having a high end starter. LT and RT aren't holes. WR isn't a hole. TE(with ASJ) isn't a hole. Could they be upgraded? Sure, they could. Should they be before other areas? No.
    3 points
  16. Why dont we just list every position and shoot for 22 all-pro players, seems realistic. It amazes me that people think we have an issue at MLB with the way Demario played, he should be resigned and should man the position for 3/4 years. We also dont need to upgrade Kelvin Beachem. He isn't elite, but he is more then adequate if you add an actual professional center to the line. Free agency should focus on 2 CBs, and Ryan Jensen at center and possibly a WR (paul richardson is a very interesting option) and then cousins If we get cousins we can find an edge player and RB in the second round, and BPA, possibly Quentin Nelson at 6. If we dont get cousins, then we spend on a guard in FA and draft Mayfield or Darnold at 6.
    3 points
  17. I think Beachum and Shell are pretty much locks to start this season.Beachum was solid and Shell is developing
    3 points
  18. For the 3 bolded positions the guy was on the team last year. All three will be back and starting. This team has a lot of positions to upgrade. They are fine at those as long as last years starter is back. QB is obviously the biggest need. With the new oline coach and Bates being promoted I would be shocked if Center wasn't one of the top priorities. 1. QB 2 & 3 = center and edge rusher
    3 points
  19. If this happens, Macc should be fired on the spot.
    3 points
  20. Biggest surprise the game was the fact that the patriots didn’t make every perfect halftime adjustments possible like they normally do when they’re cheating is unobstructed
    3 points
  21. Cimini reads these forums. He is marvelously trolling us with our own suggestive form of misery.
    3 points
  22. Orlando Brown. Wow. What a perfect name for a tackle. I take him for name alone.
    3 points
  23. Not rare, but great shot from a great game. Forget year but about 8 inches of snow fell on Meadowlands and it was nice win as game came down to Curtis vs Betis!
    3 points
  24. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758527-eagles-ran-fake-super-bowl-walk-through-in-case-patriots-were-watching?share=whatsapp I think all teams should run fake walkthroughs any time before playing the patriots
    2 points
  25. 2 points
  26. QB - So assuming Cousins goes to Denver and are out of the QB running then let's say we draft Baker Mayfield and resign McCown for guidance. LT - Chukwuma Okorafor out of Western Michigan. Considered a Top 5 tackle by many. He will likely be there in round 2 for us to draft. C - Seeing as we're saving by not signing Cousins we can sign Ryan Jensen or Weston Richburg. Via the draft we can go with Billy Price or Frank Ragnow. RT - I think Nate Solder can be signed to take over the RT position. TE - If you're a Jimmy Graham fan we can sign him to a deal with no problem. I'm not a big fan of Graham I really like Trey Burton and hope he's signed to come here. WR1 - Speaking of jag how about Allen Robinson? He's going to be coming back from an injury and looking to prove that he deserves to be considered among the best. I'd for sure sign him to a prove it 1 yr $10-11 million dollar deal similar to what Alshon Jeffrey received. RB - We HAVE to draft either Ronald Jones II or Sony Michel with one of our two 2nd round picks. In this scenario with take Michel with one and Okorafor with the second. Edge - Again with the amount of money we have at our disposal I'd go after Shaquil Barrett. He's young (25) and super talented. MLB - I'm one of the few who is fine riding it out with Darron Lee. He got much better and I expect him to get better in regards to his ability to cover RBs out of the backfield. I think he has the speed to do it he just needs to put it all together and I think he takes another big step forward in his progression. Resign Demario Davis and I love that pairing for the next 3-5 years. CB - Gotta get Trumaine Johnson here. Whatever it takes. Not signing Cousins frees up a lot of space to distribute elsewhere. Nickel back - I agree with Skrine. There are a lot of CBs to be had via the draft or in FA. I'm okay with signing EJ Gaines
    2 points
  27. I'm not going to slay the jets front office for massively over overeating player because he was a consensus high pick. What i will slay them for is picking once again as usual a non premium position, one year after drafting the same guy at ilb and then drafting a better looking player in the 2nd round.
    2 points
  28. can't do it in 1 off season. The focus has to be cornerstone foundation type talent. Get the QB Protect the QB Rush the QB
    2 points
  29. Normally I could see it playing out that way... Would be very Jetsy. But I do feel like Maccagnan must know he will likely lose his job if we walk into 2018 with McCown and/or Bradford at QB. He has to get Cousins or one of the top three QBs in the draft. Spend the money or trade up.
    2 points
  30. He had to have off season wrist surgery, which I believe now fully guarentees it. Not 100% though
    2 points
  31. He's just misunderstood... This will be his plea to the judge Dear, dear, dear kindly Sergeant Krupke you gotta understandIt's just our bringin' up-ke that gets us out of handOur mothers all are junkies, our fathers all are drunksGolly Moses, naturally we're punksGee, Officer Krupke we're very upsetWe never had the love that every child oughta getWe ain't no delinquents, we're misunderstoodDeep down inside us there is goodThere is good, there is goodThere is good, there is untapped goodLike inside the worst of us is goodOh, look at that good, good babyThat's a nice baby actually, yeahOh, that's a touchin' good storyOh well, lemme tell it to the worldJust tell it to the judgeOoh yeah, judge, that's a good idea, stopDear kindly judge, your honor, my parents treat me roughWith all their marijuana they won't give me a puffThey didn't wanna have me but somehow I was hadLeapin' lizards, that's why I'm so badRight, Officer Krupke you're really a squareThis boy don't need a judge, he needs an analyst's careIt's just his neurosis that oughta be curbedHe's psychologically disturbedI'm disturbedWe're disturbed, we're disturbedWe're the most disturbedLike we're psychologically disturbedHear ye, hear ye, in the opinion on this courtThis child is depraved on accountHe ain't had a normal homeHey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprivedSo take him to a headshrinkerOh no, goodbye buddy boyMy father's a bastard, my ma's an S.O.BMy grandpa's always plastered, my grandma pushes teaMy sister wears a mustache, my brother wears a dressGoodness gracious, that's why I'm a messYes, Officer Krupke you're really a slobThis boy don't need a doctor just a good honest jobSociety's played him a terrible trickAnd sociologically he's sickI am sickWe are sick, we are sickWe are sick, sick, sick,Like we're sociologically sick, oh yeahIn my opinion this child don't need to have his head shrunk at allJuvenile delinquency is purely a social diseaseHey, I got a social diseaseSo take him to a social workerDear kindly, social worker, they say go earn a buckLike be a soda jerker which means like be a schmuckIt's not I'm antisocial, I'm only anti-workGloryosky, that's why I'm a jerkOfficer Krupke, you've done it againThis boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the penIt ain't just a question of misunderstoodDeep down inside him he's no goodI'm no goodWe're no good, we're no goodWe're no earthly goodLike the best of us is no damn goodThe trouble is he's crazy, the trouble is he drinksThe trouble is he's lazy, the trouble is he stinksThe trouble is he's growing, the trouble is he's grownKrupke, we got troubles of our ownGee, Officer Krupke we're down on our knees'Cause no one wants a fellow with a social diseaseGee, Officer Krupke what are we to do?Gee, Officer Krupke, Krup you
    2 points
  32. 2 points
  33. How about those hops? The knees must have still been okay.
    2 points
  34. This is pure gold. They will ALWAYS be known as frauds and cheaters. And their run is over.
    2 points
  35. Damnit...Don’t you put this on me!!!!! Lol I would just like to look back 4-5 yrs from now and see WE made the right choice,..for once! I like Cousins, and I def think he gives us the better chance to win then the top 3 qbs in the draft over the next 2 yrs....pray Mac puts some complimentary pcs around him.
    2 points
  36. LOL, actually I hope your right. I think the best move for the Jets is to sign Cousins, and use the draft capital, and reminding $50+-M, and the $46M next year to build a team. I'm honestly not concerned about Denver. Jax is the team that makes sense for me, if I was Cousins. Like I said, I hope your right
    2 points
  37. Our best bet is to take a big swing at Cousins and if that doesn't work, take a big swing to trade up for Darnold (or Rosen, though I favor Darnold). We'll see where Cousins wants to go. I'm not enamored with him as a quarterback but he's a no-brainer top 1/3 of the league quarterback and we'd be insane to not try to sign him. We've got the cap for Cousins (+ other free agents) and he's young enough to build a team around.
    2 points
  38. I've had one speeding ticket in the road in my life and one photo rader one. I cannot at all relate to this kind of sh*t.
    2 points
  39. I had my license suspended twice in my twenties. I received tickets for multiple violations (speeding, seatbelts, brake lights) and then ignored the tickets associated at which point New York State suspended my license. I was young and irresponsible but not a bad guy. Eventually, I learned my lesson - mainly because of the fines and my skyrocket high insurance. The real question here is the 'resisting arrest with violence' charge. That's the only one that bothers me. I don't care that he said something about a cop's wife; a lot of cops can be condescending as f*** in the moment. The real question here is the 'resisting arrest' charge. If that's real, his future here and generally in the NFL is on thin ice. If it was blown out of proportion, then his suspension won't be so long and he can (hopefully) put the rest of this sh*t behind him.
    2 points
  40. The only one of these scenarios I'd be really upset with is drafting Allen. I think taking Mayfield at 6 (while the least likely) would be my favorite.
    2 points
  41. I mean, the Jets and the Broncos both sucked in 2017. I don't think anyone is arguing either team was "good" or even average. But let's not just make stuff up for the sake of negativity. Before McCown was injured the Jets were 5-7 and only had one double digit loss. After their bye week the Broncos lost 8 consecuitve games in which they were outscored by an average of 30 to 13. 6 of those 8 losses were by double digits. Two of them were by over 25 points. Saying the Jets were "more competitive" than the Broncos isn't an opinion it's a statement of fact. Doesn't mean it makes the Jets a better landing spot (and they certainly have less talent as currently situated) but claiming the Jets weren't "in" more games is just dumb. They were.
    2 points
  42. If they sign cousins I would love Nelson at 6, if he is still available
    2 points
  43. Probably zero. I would be accused of cheating and disqualified. Nobody could be this good.
    2 points
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