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  1. Edwards-Helaire was a first round pick. Gibson wasn't on the board when we selected Davis in the third. OP, did you do any research whatsoever before posting this ridiculous tangent or did you just import a custom draft class into Madden and wonder why we couldn't turn off the salary cap, manual trades, and just build a super team?
    15 points
  2. Sports starved fans telling players to shut up and just risk getting COVID-19, not to have concerns is kind of weak. Concerns over family and your own health should rightfully be met with an eye roll? From experience, you dont want this virus and should be very concerned no matter who you are
    14 points
  3. Because this organization just fired a GM who did that and proved (for the umpteenth time) that careless spending in FA is not how you properly build a perennial contender.
    13 points
  4. 13 points
  5. Replace “football players” with health care workers and school faculty/staff and these are pretty much the same complaints with anyone being asked to go back to work in hotzones. Only the latter gets paid about 8 zillion percent less and the majority of Americans give far less of a sh*t about them. But yes the players are clearly the bad guys here. Not the owners doing their draft picks from Scrooge McDuck yachts as they have escorts phone in their picks for them.
    12 points
  6. Who cares.. what's sad about this is there are a ton of people getting 0 government assistance and making very little money with sh*t benefits that are forced to go work in warehouses, manufacturing, grocery stores, delivery services, farms etc,, so the rest of us can survive. Meanwhile unemployed people get 3-4k a month between state and local benefits. Hopefully that is rectified shortly Have a hard time giving a crap about millionaires and billionaires, play / don't play- meh
    10 points
  7. I’m old enough to remember when the players couldn’t wait to get back on the field and take a pay cut with no extant plan for testing.
    10 points
  8. Literally every single other player in the NFL right now: "The owners have ignored the advice of the medical experts and have done nothing to guarantee our safety as we gather in large groups at our facilities. This puts the lives of our loved ones at risk and is unacceptable" Jamal Adams:
    7 points
  9. Agree. They need to stop using incognito windows.
    7 points
  10. If you ask the question that way then the point is lost on you, but I’ll give it a try anyway. The point is to keep one’s options open. Paying Adams more solves nothing; he’s tied to the Jets for upwards of the next 4 seasons without an extension, and in doing so the team keeps its options open to moving him if the right deal comes along specifically because the haven’t shot themselves in the foot with a huge (and unnecessary) signing bonus. Meanwhile for all you know the Jets may need to still upgrade at a several positions yet. Just because one drafts a player at a position doesn’t therefore make the position adequately filled. If that were the case no one would sign veteran FAs and wouldn’t typically have a need to extend their own. The team has as many question marks as it has solutions. If you seriously need them enumerated I question how closely you follow the team. Here are positions or position groups containing the not-sure-things - presuming everyone stays healthy, mind you - however badly we want them to work out: QB, RB, WR1, TE, OLx4 on offense DE, EDGE, other LB, CBx2 on defense Now even the biggest pessimist wouldn’t think all of them will fail, but we won’t know which they’ll be nor how many of them. As the team gets closer to where it wants to be, presumably that list will lessen and then you make your shopping list. I’m not saying he will be, but what if Becton is terrible? Is the team supposed to handicap itself with a stopgap LT and expect a strong safety to fully make up the difference? Is the team just going to draft someone else in its next go-for-broke opportunity and put the team’s full fate on whatever LT they draft in a year that may end up having no good LT prospects (let alone good ones as rookies). Now repeat that for at least 4 other positions - quite easily more - and see how quickly that dries up. The attitude you convey is one that stipulates car & health insurance is unnecessary for you this year because you don’t think you’ll get into an accident or very sick or both, and aren’t planning on buying a house either this year or next, so you can instead spend your incoming cash and all your savings on a sweet vette that you don’t need. Worst of all - as though any other reason is necessary - is the elephant in the room of how extending Adams now is 100% pointless.
    7 points
  11. Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. This posturing by athletes and owners on social media to try an sway public opinion to their side is getting tired.
    6 points
  12. The owner who named the team was a racist. He successfully marketed his team to the south via radio, and used the fact that the south and the nation's capitol were segregated at the time to be the NFL's last team -by seven years- to integrate. Other owners resisted desegregation, too, but at least they pretended that there were no black players good enough to join the league. The owner of Washington's franchise just took it upon himself that his team's fans didn't want blacks on the team, so he didn't either. When he was finally forced to integrate (much the way Snyder is being "forced," now) he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger. He left the draft to an underling who brought the first African-American to the team, thus allowing them to play their games on federal land in what would become RFK Stadium. The linguistic gymnastics to try to explain away the name doesn't wash away the racist history of the franchise, which includes having their allegedly Native American head coach along with the players putting on war paint and dancing before games. Think there was ever a time that wasn't racist? Was there a time blackface was okay in your eyes? Snyder sucks as an owner and the name is just one more thing he's sucked at. It's been problematic for a long time now. He's been acutely aware. He could've made things right a long time ago by meeting with NAs to discuss names they'd find appropriate rather than dig his heels in, like his racist predecessor. Because that's the history of the organization. This origin story of yours is just an attempt to spin the narrative. In today's world, racist slurs are the new dirty words. Men and women alike happily drop the F-bomb in mixed company, but no one I know (at least) throws around the N-word. Times change, and they caught up with an historically racist organization. I'm glad about it, and don't understand these attempts to defend a name that over time has clearly become more and more offensive.
    6 points
  13. @Matt39 @T0mShane I'll leave it at that. I don't think I need to come out and explicitly say anymore lol.
    6 points
  14. Buckle up, folks. This is gonna’ be a long one. But with training camp just around the corner, or so we hope, JetNation.com is going to give you a full rundown of Gang Green’s 90-man roster. Most names will be familiar. Some will be less familiar, and a few may have you asking “who the heck is that guy”? Well, we’ve got your cheat sheet right here. 33- Jamal Adams S: The best player on the roster, Adams has spent this offseason trying to force a trade to the Dallas Cowboys or a list of other contenders. Much to his chagrin, he’s still a Jet and is expected to report for camp. In Adams, the Jets have a play making defender who, despite his displeasure with remaining a Jet, will likely still show up and give everything he’s got. If he’s not traded, look for a HUGE season from the safety who will surely be playing with a chip on his shoulder. FYI, you’ll get 40/1 odds on Adams as defensive player of the year (for entertainment purposes only). 36- Josh Adams RB: With the addition of La’Mical Pernine through the draft, Adams may have a hard time sticking around. He’s a bruising back whom the Jets liked enough to add to the 53 late last season to stop him from being poached, but do they like him enough to keep him around? May not be possible with not only Perine but Frank Gore on board. 96- Henry Anderso DL: One of the best players on the roster in 2018, Anderson saw a significant dip in production in 2019 as he picked up only 1 sack after logging 7 the previous year. Due $9 million in 2021, you can bet Anderson will be let go or have his deal re-worked prior to next season if he doesn’t have a career year. 68- Josh Andrews OL: A veteran of five seasons, Andrews has never started a game despite appearing in 25 contests. He is expected to challenge Jonotthan Harrison as a cheaper alternative as the teams number two center. 31- Bless Austin CB: A promising young cornerback who flashed at times last season despite having missed significant time due to injury. Jets fans should be excited to see what Austin can do with a full offseason to prepare without being hindered by injuries. 93- Tarell Basham OLB: An under-the-radar player who came on strong late last season, Basham seemed to win over defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and will have a shot at starting the season opposite Jordan Jenkins. 77- Mekhi Becton OT: The Jets fist round draft choice will be given every chance to win the starting job at left tackle. 26- Le’Veon Bell RB: Coming off of the worst season of his career, Bell hopes for bigger and better things in 2020 with what many expect to be a vastly improved offensive line. Given his bloated salary next season, this could also be his final season as a Jet. 49- BJ Bello LB: A very intriguing player who is among a handful of guys who are flying under the radar but could make the roster. Even with a ton of depth at ILB, Bell has a shot. In college, Bello was asked to do just about everything on defense. He played inside, outside, in coverage and as a rush linebacker. Gregg Williams had him in Cleveland and then brought him over to the Jets where he stood out on special teams. 10- Braxton Berrios WR: A fantastic punt returner who was snagged away from the Patriots by Joe Douglas, Berrios should have a shot for an increased role on offense in 2020. 70- Ben Braden OL: A former Mike Maccagnan signing back in may of 2017, Braden was let go by Joe Douglas during the 2019 season but was brought back just weeks later and hung around for the rest of the way. Athletically limited but with above average strength, we’ll find out of Braden has developed to the point of making the active roster this season. If not, it’s likely his last with the Jets. 87- Daniel Brown TE: A depth player and special teamer who will have a harder time hanging around with Chris Herndon returning. 58- James Burgess ILB: Burgess stepped in and played admirably last season as the Jets inside linebackers were decimated by injury. He was another player who played under Gregg Williams in Cleveland and was brought back this offseason. If Burgess isn’t a Jet on opening day, it would be a bit of a surprise. 1- Lawrence Cager WR: Everyone loves an underdog, and all undrafted free agents fall in to that category, which includes Cager. Cager is tall (6′ 5”) and long with very strong hands. He’s an early favorite among the UDFA’s to steal a roster spot. 6- George Campbell WR: Another undrafted free agent, Campbell checks in at 6′ 4” and had incredible production over the final quarter of his collegiate career. Crazy stat of the day on Jets UDFA WR George Campbell: First 12 college games: Rec: 18 Yds: 313 TD: 3 Last 4 college games: Rec: 14 Yds: 362 TD: 4 — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) April 28, 2020 40- Trenton Cannon RB: A speedy special teams ace, Cannon could be an odd man out this season with the additions of La’Mical Perine and Frank Gore. Brant Boyer is likely to “pound the table” for Cannon, but the numbers game could force him out. ##- Shyheim Carter DB: Another undrafted free agent, the Jets like something they see in Carter as he got the team’s largest UDFA signing bonus. Not a player with elite physical attributes, but does have some versatility. 53- Blake Cashman ILB: Cashman looked like he could be a player before missing most of the season due to injury. He was used at both inside and outside linebacker by Gregg Williams and should be safe as long as he can avoid getting dinged up. ##- Jehu Chesson WR: A Michigan product, Chesson has a good size/speed combo at 6′ 2” and 4.47. However, he has yet to make a name for himself after four seasons in the league. He was picked up by the Jets after being let go by the Kansas City chiefs and has some ability as a return man. 45- Anthony Cioffi S: Cioffi has spent some time in the CFL after a four year career at Rutgers. Cioffi has blazing speed and his best shot to make the roster is on special teams. 72- Cameron Clark OL: An eventual NFL starter, Clark was a 4th round pick (129th overall) out of Charlotte where he was a dominant offensive tackle. Most believe he projects to guard as a pro, but the Jets currently list him as a tackle. No matter where he plays, expect him to do it with a mean streak. Back to back plays here from @CharlotteFTBL LT Cameron Clark (71) vs Clemson . Physical dude who was still going all out when this game was a blowout in 4th qtr. Likely move inside in the NFL but not a bad project pick in later rounds. pic.twitter.com/ytmIUJCRkT — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) April 12, 2020 82- Jamison Crowder WR: The Jets best receiver last season, Crowder could be primed for an even bigger 2020 if the Jets remain healthy and Breshad Perriman picks up where he left off last year with the Bucs. 14- Sam Darnold QB: Darnold has done about as much as you can ask from a young QB with no support from his O-line. He has shown flashes of brilliance and was a top 10 QB in terms of adjusted completion percentage when given a clean pocket to work with according to the folks at Pro Football Focus. So with improved blocking, better running game and healthy receivers, the pressure is on Adam Gase to get Darnold rolling. 32- Ashtyn Davis S: A third-round draft choice out of Cal, Davis is a player who could be able to step in and play safety, corner or nickel. He has elite speed and can be a ball hawk. It’s going to be interesting to see how Gregg Williams gets the rookie involved. 61- Domenique Davis DL: Another undrafted player, Davis may be the biggest project in camp, but he has a better shot than some may think. On film, he appears to have very good size/quickness combo, but he’ll have to prove he can do it well enough at the pro level if he hopes to hang around. His high motor also jumps out on game day. 35- Pierre Desier CB: A Joe Douglas reclamation project, Desir played at a high level two years ago for the Colts but struggled with injuries in 2019. If he returns to 2018 form, the Jets got a steal. 38- Kenneth Dixon RB: A former Baltimore Raven, Dixon runs with a low center of gravity and can takes on defenders with a bit of thump. However, Dixon’s chance to make the roster got worse this offseason. As mentioned already, adding Perine and Gore puts the fate of the backup running backs in limbo. 18- Josh Doctson WR: Another Joe Douglas special, Doctson is a veteran player who has shown he can contribute, but came up short of expectations when he was drafted. The type of player it makes sense to bring in if you’re looking to catch lightning in a bottle for an unproven WR group. 75- Chuma Edoga OT: An x-factor that isn’t talked about enough. Few deny Edoga has the agility and footwork to make it as a starting offensive tackle. The question is his lack of strength and whether or not he has the work ethic to put in the work to get stronger. If he does, he’s a starting caliber player. If he doesn’t, he won’t be around for long. 3- David Fales QB: An Adam Gase favorite, Fales joined the Jets as a free agent after previously playing under Gase with the Dolphins in Miami. If there’s no training camp, he may stick as no signal caller on the roster has more experience in Gase’s offense, but his body of work leaves plenty to be desired. 76- Geore Fant OT: Fant was a surprise signing by Joe Douglas as many anticipated a bigger name at offensive tackle. Given his salary you’d expect him to start in 2019, but with Mekhi Becton going in the first round and the possibility of an improved Edoga, it may not be the lock that many expect. One thing for sure about Fant though, is that you have to love his agility. Few players his size can move as well as he does, and we hope to see him on the receiving end of a few Sam Darnold passes in 2020 when he reports in as eligible. Could be fun. He also did some good work last season against Nick Bosa and the 49ers. Have to wonder how much this one game led to George Fant getting paid. Started at LT for Seattle against SF and neutralized Nick Bosa and others. Very strong showing. pic.twitter.com/sH1hu3XMGz — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) May 13, 2020 41- Matthias Farley S: An experienced depth player who started 15 games for the Colts back in 2017. 94- Folorunso Fatukasi DT: A monster in the middle last season, Fatukasi showed off elite strength that allowed him to dominate in the trenches and be a key part of the Jets stout run defense. Hopefully more playing time for Fatukasi in 2020 with increased production to match. 9- Sam Ficken K: One of two kickers in camp, Ficken is expected to compete for the starting job but don’t be surprised if neither guy on the roster in the team’s kicker when the season starts. 5- Joe Flacco QB: An ideal mentor for Sam Darnold, Flacco still has a bit of zip when he delivers the ball but is expected to miss a couple of games early in the season as he recovers from neck surgery. 56- John Franklin-Myers: A player who signed with the Jets last season after being let go by the Rams but was kept out of action due to injuries, Franklin-Myers will be battling a deep group to earn a roster spot. 52- Ahmad Gooden LB: A roster long shot, Gooden is a DE/OLB who appeared in 3 games with the Broncos before joining the Jets practice squad in December. ##- Frank Gore RB: The 37-year-old Gore averaged a career low 3.7 YPC last season and was under 3.0 YPC in the second half for the Bills. However, his leadership and experience should be a valuable addition to the locker room. 84- Ryan Griffin TE: Once the Jets got Griffin involved in the offense last season, he proved to be a valuable asset and looks to team up with Chris Herndon to give the Jets a potent 1-2 punch at tight end. ##- Javelin Guidry CB: Guidry didn’t have a particularly productive college career, but his sub 4.3 40 at Indy was bound to land him a look somewhere. Turns out that somewhere was Florham Park. 21- Nate Hairston CB: Hairston had some moments last season where he looked like he could easily be a quality depth cornerback but had some setbacks that landed him on the bench. Continuing to work with a young player in hopes of improving his consistency was the right thing to do. ##- Bryce Hall CB: A player viewed by many as the Jets best value pick of the draft, Hall was a round 1 or 2 prospect who fell to the Jets in round 5 due to injury concerns. Could be a starter by season’s end. 78- Jonotthan Harrison OL: Harrison has stepped in and played admirably in each of the last two seasons when things fell apart for the Jets at the center position. Parting ways for $2.5 million would be a bit foolish if the Jets opt to take that route. 42- Thomas Hennessy LS: Thomas Hennessy is the Jets long snapper. 89- Chris Herndon TE: Outside of Sam Darnold and the O-line, Herndon is the most important player on offense in 2020. Should he remain healthy, he gives the Jets a quality weapon in the middle of the field who is a plus blocker and has chemistry with Sam Darnold. 46- Neville Hewitt ILB: Another ILBer who got extensive playing time due to injuries las season and held his own. A guy who can cover well as a situational player should have a chance to hang around again in 2020. 79- Jared Hilbers OT: Hilbers is a versatile OT who played on both the left and right sides in college but may see some action at guard due to his shorter arms. With a need for depth on the OL, we like his chances of finding a home with the Jets. 47- Bryce Huff OLB/DE: A fair number of analysts viewed Huff as a draftable player in the late rounds but that didn’t transpire and the Jets snagged him as an undrafted free agent. With so few legitimate pass rushers on the roster, Huff has a chance to make the team if he impresses in camp. 39- Bennett Jackson S: Another former Raven, Jackson has played in just six games after entering the league in 2014. 36- Lamar Jackson CB: Another player who some projected as a late round pick, Jackson was not selected in the draft out of Nebraska and the Jets brought him in for a look. Lacks top end speed buy looks fundamentally sound on game day. 48- Jordan Jenkins OLB: Lunch pail type of player who hoped for a big pay day in free agency that never came. That ends up being the Jets gain as they bring him back for under $4 million on a one-year deal after picking up a career-high 7 sacks last year. 66- Sterling Johnson DL: No player on the roster had less information available than Johnson. After playing his college ball at Coastal Carolina, he had very little exposure and no quality film with which to evaluate him. 91- Bronson Kaufusi DL: Kaufisi checks in at 6′ 6” 275 along the D-line and is another guy who was brought in to the league by Joe Douglas mentor Ozzie Newsome in 2017. He has played in just 9 games in his career. 65- Corbin Kaufusi OL: The brother of the aforementioned Bronson Kaufusi, Corbin is the bigger of the two at a towering 6′ 9”. Both brothers played at BYU and are now on opposite sides of the ball and it could be interesting watching such a tall man find a way to gain leverage against quicker/smaller defenders. 63- Leo Koloamatangi OL: A former Hawaii product, Koloamatangi may move well enough to garner real consideration as an interior lineman for depth. Better run blocker than he is in pass protection. 44- Harvey Langi OLB: Langi surprised plenty of onlookers when he made the Jets final roster last season as a true long shot. With so few upgrades made at the spot this offseason, he may find a way to do it again. 71- Alex Lewis LG: Last season along the Jets O-line, Lewis may have been the best of a bad bunch. Due to offseason upgrades, it’s not unrealistic to think he could be the unit’s weak link when all is said and done. 64- Brad Lundblade OL: A long shot out of Oklahoma State, Lundblade is likely a camp body as he lacks the agility the Jets are looking for along the O-line. 50- Frankie Luvu LB: An outside linebacker out of college, the undrafted Luvu saw some reps on the inside last year which could work to his benefit. With so few spots and a ton of linebackers, versatility will pay off. It’s impossible not to love Luvu’s passion and motor out on the field. 2- Brett Maher K: Maher may have the strongest leg in the NFL, but his accuracy has been an issue which is what got him cut by the Dallas Cowboys. If he can straighten himself out, he could be a legitimate weapon. 7- Braden Mann P: It’s not very often fans are excited by a punter, but Mann has a leg that has some fans rooting for that first 3-and-out of the season to watch Mann let one rip. 83- Josh Malone WR: Malone is another strong size/speed receiver at 6′ 3” and 4.4, but he hasn’t found himself on the field much after three NFL seasons. 23- Arthur Maulet CB: Maulet was another guy who filled in and played respectably at cornerback last season. Bringing him back in Gregg Williams’ system made sense. 20- Marcus Maye S: Entering the final year of his rookie deal, Maye is a player who gets a bad rap for being injury prone. In three pro seasons, he has played every single game in two of them and rarely ever came off the field. After missing time in year two, there are those who insist he can’t stay healthy. Maye is a very good player who may be even better in a different system. 69- Conor McDermott OL: McDermott was an in-season addition along the O-line and saw his most extensive action as a pro in the Jets final two games when he played well enough to come back for another look this season. 60- Connor McGovern C: The Jets finally have some stability at the center position after years of one disaster after another following the departure of Nick Mangold. 99- Steve McLendon DL: Mr. Underrated himself. McLendon doesn’t get nearly enough love for what he brings to the table. Consistently performs at a high level along the interior, challenges teammates when they’re not pulling their weight, holds himself accountable and handles the press like a pro. This is a player the Jets should be looking to bring in as a coach and mentor when his playing days are over. Things that don't show up in the box score. Watch Steve McLendon beat his man to penetate and string the running play out toward the sideline where Hewitt can get the tackle. If McLendon gets blocked, it's a huge run for Philly. pic.twitter.com/fFxTGTnGME — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) May 14, 2020 11- Denzel Mims WR: Another possible draft steal with the 59th pick in round two, the Jets are hoping for big things from the explosive Mims who many had pegged as a round 1 choice. 4- James Morgan: The rookie QB was already viewed as a project and will now be behind the 8 ball without a true preseason. Our prediction is that Morgan will come down with an ailment that will make him a practice squad stash. 57- CJ Mosley ILB: An elite ILB whose return is expected to pay huge dividends this season. 61- James Murray OL: A former Kansas City Chief, pencil Murray in as another dark horse in a crowded OL room. 51- Patrick Onwuasor ILB: Mosley’s former running mate in Baltimore, Onwuasor’s signing led to speculation of a possible Avery Williamson trade or release. So far it looks like Onwuasor is still a back-up, but that could change in time. 22- La’Mical Perine RB: A well-rounded back who lacks elite speed, Perine is viewed by many as a player who could one day develop in to a starting back. For now, he’s expected to get worked in around Bell and Gore. 19- Breshad Perriman: Jets are hoping to have hit on a late bloomer. Perriman was a first-round bust until he broke out late last season with a handful of 100-yard games in the seasons’ final weeks. 98- Kyle Phillips DL: A pleasant surprise along the D-line as an undrafted free agent out of Tennessee last season, look for more quality play from Phillips in 2020. 34- Brian Poole CB: Poole was arguably the Jets most consistent player last season and the team was lucky to get him back on a one-year deal. 43- Wyatt Ray DE/OLB: A Boston College product, Ray doesn’t seem to have the attributes necessary to be a force off the edge and is a long shot to make the roster. 97- Nathan Shepherd DL: Left for dead in the minds of most fans after a poor rookie season and positive drug test, Shepherd shocked fans by stepping in and playing at a high level when given the opportunity in year two. If he continues along this path, he’ll be around for a bit. Was year two an anomaly? Time will tell. 16- Jeff Smith WR: A converted quarterback and undrafted free agent whom the Jets hung on to last season, we’d hoped to see Smith and his blazing 4.37 40 get used as a gadget player. Injuries prevented that from happening, but he has a skill set that no other player on the roster does. This could help him stick again. 17- Vyncint Smith WR: Smith flashed at times last season and looked to improve noticeably down the stretch. He could be a reason as to why Joe Douglas only drafted one wide receiver. 43- Ross Travis TE: Full disclosure…until this week we had done very little homework on Travis. With Herndon, Griffin, Brown and Trevon Wesco on the roster, he was an afterthought. However, after watching a bit more of him this week and seeing how raw he was when he was drafted, we’re officially intrigued. Travis is a former basketball player who checks in at 6′ 8” and could be a force if his game develops as hoped. Not a household name, but TE Ross Travis is a HUGE target. Developmental player out of PSU who used to play basketball. Some preseason work here last season and just outmuscles the defenders for the score. Deep group at TE means he'll have some work to do. pic.twitter.com/6INssYSBlX — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) July 14, 2020 62- Greg Van Roten OG: Van Roten was signed as a free agent and is expected to compete with Brian Winters for the starting job at right guard. 85- Trevon Wesco TE: Wesco did little as a receiver or a blocker for much of his rookie year, but there was marked improvement as a blocker down the stretch as he showed he can be a valuable piece in assisting with the running game. If he can get more involved as a pass catcher then he would give the Jets the deepest tight end group they’ve had in years. 8- Mike White QB: White was a player we expected to develop in to a starting quarterback when he was coming out of Western Kentucky. Looks like we missed the mark, but with Joe Flacco expected to miss the first couple weeks of the season, White just may have a chance to hang around for a bit. 95- Quinnen Williams: Expect big things from Williams as he enters his second season. One year smarter and a full season with an NFL training regimen, folks who gave up on the youngster will be eating some crow. Next player after Fatukasi stop, Quinnen Williams beats his blocker to the inside and pursues Dak for stop on 4th down. Those two stops made 92-yd TD to Robby possible. Quinnen making his presence felt. pic.twitter.com/lZdDLMlpDk — Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) October 16, 2019 54- Avery Williamson: Arguably a top 5 player on the roster, missing Williamson and Mosley was a nightmare come true for the Jets last season. If he’s not traded or released to save cap space, he should be fun to watch this season. 55- Jordan Willis DE: Willis has physical attributes that are absolutely off the charts. However, after several years as a pro, it has yet to translate on the field. Make or break year for Willis. ##- Quincy Wilson CB: Acquired in a draft day trade with the Colts, Wilson was likely endorsed by former Colts executive Rex Hogan and should have a very good chance to make the roster. 67- Brian Winters RG: Winters could be winding down his time as a Jet if Greg Van Roten or any other lineman outplays him in training camp. A warrior in the trenches, Winters just hasn’t been able to kick the injury bug and has zero cap hit if let go. If nobody steps up, Winters stays and starts. 92- Jabari Zuniga DL: In terms of upgrading at pass rusher, Zuniga gives the Jets their best shot at a fresh face who can get to the QB. Look for the Jets to test him early and often to see what he can do. So there you have it folks. Every player currently listed on the Jets official roster. Whether or not they’ll be suiting up as planned? We shall see. The post A Top-to-Bottom Look at Gang Green’s 90-man Roster as Training Camp Approaches appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story...
    5 points
  15. Adams has basically said to the public that his current teammates are losers and he doesn't want to play with them because he thinks that they are losers. It's not like that's an isolated thing from Jamal either. He's publicly b*tched about the quality of his teammates twice now. McLendon, unlike Adams, is the real leader in that locker room and is just calling it like he sees it. If Jamal didn't want to be looked at like an a**clown, he shouldn't have acted like one.
    5 points
  16. The whole Shut Up and Dribble mentality is so real it's sad. We know close to zero about how Covid affects pregnancies, but yes let's all pile on Russell Wilson for having to be that guy since no executives or owners have the awareness for any of it. The bajillionaires have had since March to figure all of this out when it was clear this was how the fall was going to be, and yet here we are 2 weeks out of August and nothing. And the players are to blame? Priceless.
    5 points
  17. JN are you accusing Trolly McTrollface of trolling?? That's like accusing Ted Bundy of being a serial killer..
    5 points
  18. CLE is not a team to emulate. TEN looked like CLE South until they stepped in s**t with Tannehill last year. KC is a contender right now and was a contender for years, even before they drafted Mahomes, but that has only increased since he moved into the starting role. Huge difference as the Jets bear no such similarity. Now if the Jets were more or less with a current contender roster except for strong safety, that would change the dynamics of the discussion. But they’re not. Also the only player KC extended early was the singularly unique Mahomes, and because he’s a QB and they got him locked up for a decade time will show that saved them money overall. The opposite is true with Adams, whose going rate even as a UFA would not significantly rise above his current ~$22MM/year demand (if he even got within 10% of that). Not now, not a year from not, nor the year after that, nor the year after that, and probably not the year after that either. But 3 years from now Mahomes could have gotten a LTD with a conservative minimum of another $5MM/year every year. Extending Mahomes early was prudent future planning. Extending Adams early, at the numbers being discussed, really serves no purpose.
    5 points
  19. Rebuilt the OL Drafted a monster T with the 1st. A WR with the 2nd. Another OL. A RB. Didnt do anything. Wow
    5 points
  20. Connor McGovern and Greg Van Roten are in the top 3rd at their positions. Those are huge upgrades even if they’re not elite.
    5 points
  21. Wow, you are an extremely negative person. You must be a blast at parties.
    5 points
  22. All completely irrelevant. At one time, a swastika was a symbol of good luck. Times change. At one time, calling a black person a "negro" or "colored" was perfectly acceptable. Times change. I know it's scary and makes a lot of snowflakes sad, but times change. Dont care how long you keep digging in, the 1950's et al aren't coming back.
    5 points
  23. So a very long time ago it at one point had a different connotation, but that is cited as having started to change over a century ago and has since been considered offensive by the very people to which it refers, before this team even existed to use it in their name. Is that supposed to be some sort of defense of its use, even after decades of it being publicly called out as an issue?
    5 points
  24. 5 points
  25. Well they THINK they know their neighbor because they liked some of their posts on Facebook or Twitter. Yet they wont even walk next door to help them carry in their groceries. I think social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to the human race, and no I am not embellishing that either.
    4 points
  26. FTR, I believe somebody gave him a heads up on this and he deleted it almost immediately. Just imagine being the dude who coordinated this entire effort to get everyone on the same page to collectively voice concerns via twitter over gathering during covid, and a high profile guy in an outbreak hot spot sends out this tweet. Hilarious.
    4 points
  27. Combined, these two probably have the strongest legs of any K/P duo in the NFL. If Boyer can get them right, it might be the most fun we've ever had watching special teams. Should be able to flip the field and have a guy who can consistently hit from 60 yards out. Problem is, can he hit from inside 50?
    4 points
  28. Can't do a slow build here. New York media market is brutal, fans are desperate for some success. So team too often opts for the short-term band-aid fix rather than building a solid foundation for long-term success.
    4 points
  29. They can have concerns. All of America has concerns. They have the option to not play if they feel the risk outweighs the reward. It's not about having concerns. It's about the disingenuous posturing.
    4 points
  30. this is called what about ism and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china put it another way you're right all those essential workers deserve more but Alvin Kamara shouldn't make a dumb career move cause he feels bad for the UPS guy everyone has to make a cost benefit analysis with this thing, and it's different calculation for everyone. Mark Andrews TE Baltimore has Diabetes type 1 and has said he will be a role model to the kids who have diabetes and have to go to school. That's his choice and it's heroic but heroism is not common. Not everyone is a hero.
    4 points
  31. I think the league needs to put in real, recommended safeguards that leaves the players feeling like all that can be done is being done. And still some will opt out, will feel like the risk/reward isnt enough. Its hard dealing with an issue that has such a disparity between people over the severity of the virus and the way to safely deal with it. The opinions are going to be drastically different by different players. And what makes it harder is beliefs and experiences that lead to all these different opinions are impossible to argue against. How do you tell someone that their fear of a potentially deadly virus is wrong? Especially by fans who really dont give a shlt about players getting COVID-19?
    4 points
  32. Hmmm, I would think the older guys with a 20 million + earned money they held onto some are more likely to sit out., Younger dude needing to earn that big payday may be more likely to ball out. If some stars sit out these young dudes may get to Showcase their talents.
    4 points
  33. We just went through all of this with baseball. Collective eye roll from fans at this point and rightfully so.
    4 points
  34. Because FA spending sprees never work, are a poor way to build a team, and are a hallmark of a bad organization (that's why we've grown accustomed to them.)
    4 points
  35. Yes, I could have put this in another thread but I think it's a very important and overlooked part of the current conversation that's likely to get buried elsewhere. I vaguely recall several years ago looking up the origin of the term Redskin when this debate was ongoing to see if Washington had a moral leg to stand on in keeping the name. I remember coming away thinking, "okay, I see their point". I couldn't recall the origin earlier today, but I know that the people on my TV screen and twitter say repeatedly that the word is deeply rooted in racism which I found hard to believe as I would have never come away thinking the team had a valid claim. So I looked it up again. Origin of the word Redskin according to Dictionary.com: USAGE NOTE FOR REDSKIN The date and origin of this term is in dispute. Evidence seems to show that in the 1760s, French colonists in the Mississippi Valley translated a Native American spoken term into the French language as peau rouge , which was then translated into English as redskin. Through the early part of the 19th century, American Indians continued to use their native word self-referentially, and it was translated into spoken and written English as redskin with no derogatory connotations, even as a term of respect. However, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, within the historical context of white-Indian hostilities, use of the term redskin was associated with attitudes of contempt and condescension. By the 1960s, redskin had declined in use; because of heightened cultural sensitivities, it was perceived as offensive. Yet use of the term survives in the names of some sports teams. And from the Smithsonian for those who hate dictionaries: According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country." The Pioneers and other books by Cooper were largely seen as sympathetic toward Native Americans and their struggles in the 1800s. And if you had dictionaries and the Smitsonian, here's a quote from an article on upenn.edu: Goddard shows that the term redskin is a translation from native American languages of a term used by native Americans for themselves. Harjo's claim that it "had its origins in the practice of presenting bloody red skins and scalps as proof of Indian kill for bounty payments" is unsupported by any evidence.⁴ The term entered popular usage via the novels of James Fenimore Cooper. In the early- to mid-nineteenth century the term was neutral, not pejorative, and indeed was often used in contexts in which whites spoke of Indians in positive terms. Goddard concludes: So that's the origin of the name. Here's the history behind choosing that name. Well, the two stories: The reason for choosing the name "Redskins" has two stories, neither of which has to do with disparaging native Americans. The team had been called the Braves and their logo was that of a Native American which they wanted to keep. There are also claims (though not substantiated) that a Redskins coach at the time had some native American ancestry. So it seems the origin of the term and the reason for the name is actually one that was self-identifying and used as a sign of respect for a team previously known as the Braves that wanted to retain their logo and the possibility of a coach with ties to the natives. The origin of the term doesn't seem as hateful as my TV said it was now that I've taken the time to look it up myself.
    4 points
  36. I agree with all of that..... we both want change but real change comes from within as well as what's happening now. I grew up on welfare, free lunch, donated Thanksgiving dinners etc. Poor people were rich to me. I remember having our electricity turned off at least two times as a kid. All the government help did very little. I'm not a fan of big government as I believe I would still be in public housing if I followed their guidelines. I lived this poverty and escaped so our views are a bit different. I won't respond again, politics is a bad formula but I respect your passion
    4 points
  37. To answer your question, I think the number one thing that's wrong with a lot of people is their emotional reaction to facts that don't fit their narrative. If somebody says something that is based on factual evidence, rather than presenting evidence to the contrary in an effort to change their mind, they yell and scream, demanding you stop citing facts because they've got feelings to let out. Just look at the conversation we're having. My position basically boils down to 3 things that have come up in this thread. 1) The origin of the name is not racist. If somebody can show me evidence that it was, I will gladlly change my position and say the media had it right instead of screaming and demanding they stop using facts. 2) The name should be changed. The narrative has been pushed hard enough by the media that the facts no longer matter. Snyder could have prevented this years ago by launching a campaign to make it clear that the team name was rooted in its origin. A descriptive term at worst, and a term of respect at best. This was a huge failure on his part so I have no sympathy for him having to change the name. 3) I think it's a terrible shame that a tool that could have used to preserve the legacy of all native Americans will now be tossed in the trash while people celebrate its disappearance.
    4 points
  38. Wow this thread. WTF is wrong with people. My god.
    4 points
  39. I’m sorry but I’m going to have to refer you to the crusher if you use that language again.
    4 points
  40. Maher, Mann, and Hennessy have actually been working out together in the off-season. Maher was drilling it from 65+.
    4 points
  41. But that's not the origin of the team name, it's the origin of the phrase long before the team existed. The very article you cited specified that it already had a negative connotation before the team existed. The fact that its not the part you opted to bold still makes it relevant, as it doesn't change the issue at all.
    4 points
  42. what if the Jets do fine without him? The risk cuts both ways.
    3 points
  43. Pretty gross, too, how fast everyone in the NFL media ran with the “NFL IS BACK BABYYYYYY” headline yesterday and conveniently buried the Redskins story while being fully aware the player’s union wasn’t at all in alignment on this.
    3 points
  44. Because it's a marathon, not a sprint. We sprinted in 2011, exhausted the Cap and the team blew for years. Let's climb the mountain step by step.
    3 points
  45. “ A shit show of epic proportions.”
    3 points
  46. Because Darnold needs a good team for the next 15 years not 15 minutes
    3 points
  47. Let’s see how Mims andPerriman do before throwing huge money at JU-JU If Mims comes strong out of the gate, maybe we have our #1 on a cheap deal. Perriman could also be a candidate for #2 WR. Let’s see how things play out
    3 points
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