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  1. If we are running a Shanahan offense. And if the Shanahan's believe Sam Darnold is a perfect quarterback for it. Then we are keeping Sam Darnold. SAR I
    28 points
  2. This might be the best overall article about Douglas and Jets hierarchy regarding their upcoming decision. Randy Mueller: Sam Darnold vs Zach Wilson The answer to this question holds the key to unlocking many things. The New York Jets sit in the “power position” at #2 in this year’s NFL Draft. It’s the most intriguing spot with the widest array of consequences, effecting not only the Jets, and the career trajectory of their general manager, but also several other NFL teams and their ability to retool and advance their franchises forward. This is truly a career defining move for the Jets first time GM, Joe Douglas, who is entering year three on the job, to mixed results. Douglas is on his second head coach, has a roster still devoid of NFL talent, depth and is in a market where everyone outside your building has all the answers. He has to decide whether to keep his third year QB, Sam Darnold, or draft everybody’s flavor of the month, BYU QB Zach Wilson. The degree of difficulty in making this decision is HIGH and the levels of intel you need to consider are historically complicated. However, let me remind you of the goal of every NFL GM — to build a TEAM worthy of consistently competing for a Super Bowl title year after year. This task does not come with a definitive “how too book”. I would, however, suggest one reads the chapter on “best practices”. This decision on who your quarterback will be in the future cannot be made in a vacuum. The key, for my money, is the word TEAM. Yes, you need a QB. However, you also need a way to keep said QB upright. You also need weapons to stretch the field. You need a running game designed (and there are many ways to do it) to play complimentary football with your defense and situational football offensively (clock management and the like) that allows you to win games. And we have not even got to the other side of the ball yet. We would all love to have the next Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady but for my money, the untold story of both the Kansas City Chiefs and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was how well their defenses played and the completeness of their overall rosters. Listen, nobody likes Zach Wilson more than me. I was singing his praises midway thru his 2020 season on The Football GM podcast/The Athletic. He has top level NFL arm talent and he can process information, both pre and post snap. Wilson gets the ball out on time. He can anticipate like an NFL veteran and he can either throw with touch or drive the ball. However, best of all, Wilson operates both from the pocket and on the move with a delivery that fixes a lot of problems that schemes and play calling can’t make up for. He also shows consistent accuracy at all levels of the field and his instincts and dynamic playmaking ability make him ready to go from jump street for whichever team picks him. However, I also believe that current Jets QB, Sam Darnold, has not scratched the surface of how good he can be, if given a chance under the right circumstances, as well. I am going to steal the best description of Darnold's situation that I have heard to-date-from anyone. It came from my podcast co-host and national NFL writer for The Athletic, Mike Sando. Sando said, “If the Jets had hatched a plan to destroy Sam Darnold's career from the start, what would they have changed?” My response is NOTHING. They have executed that plan to perfection. The truth sometimes hurts. Darnold has flashed the same skill set that many of us identified in college at USC. He is athletic and he has the arm strength to make all the throws. Darnold can move inside the pocket by resetting his feet (to avoid rush and contact) to get the ball out cleanly and timely vs pressure and he can throw on the run while scrambling in either direction. He makes throws with accuracy beyond what his completion percentage would tell you. Let me remind you, some thought Buffalo QB Josh Allen could never change his completion percentage either. They were wrong and there were predictable reasons. Furthermore, Darnold anticipates receivers coming open and shows natural instincts for playing the position at a much higher level than his production numbers to date would indicate. He will make you say “Wow” when you study the tape. As an evaluator, I think it’s way too early to give up on him as an NFL starting QB. Sure, he will make a bone-head decision on occasion when trying to do too much, but those risks and decision-making under pressure are not fatal flaws. I think Darnold is confident in his ability. Unfortunately, the system he has been asked to run (X 2 now) has not given him ample options and answers of where to go with the ball AND the quality of roster around him has been dreadful on both sides of the ball. If you want to answer the question that the Jets and specifically Joe Douglas has in front of him, you have to look big picture. I actually like both QB’s enough to say, “We can win with either.” The real question should be, which one allows us to build the most talented and deepest team around him going forward? If you, like me, think you can win with either guy, then proceed this way. How many boxes in the team building manual do either option allow you to check? Get out your score cards and make your lists of the other positions of need on this 2 win team and what either choice allows you to do in filling out the rest of your team building concerns. What can we parlay the #2 pick in the NFL Draft into this year? Can we slide back more than once and acquire chips to build with? Ask all the pertinent questions. One critical element that must be considered, and doesn’t get enough attention, is Darnold’s contract. I do think you have to factor money and contract (and its length) in to any decision. It’s been said by many who analyze the NFL that a rookie QB on a rookie contract gives you salary cap flexibility to build without the albatross of a $35M a year commitment of a second contract that has been allocated to the position. That is true and an obvious advantage. To that end, Wilson on a rookie deal vs Darnold on a franchise type deal would be a big difference and would tip the scales in Wilson’s direction, at least when it comes to money. But, what if Darnold and his representation really wants him be the QB of the Jets? What if he believes in the new staff and the Matt LaFluer/Kyle Shanahan style offensive scheme that is being installed? A three-year bridge deal, with no franchise tag, no trade, and reasonable money (say $20/25M a year) that makes him a total free agent, without strings attached at age 27, might just make some sense for both sides. Maybe there is a club option and/or other guarantees, but my point is a three-year commitment is an eternity in the NFL. It has to be a win-win for both sides to consider. It allows the club to plan and build out their team around those cap numbers. Stability sometimes outweighs the new flashy toy. Sure, you are betting on yourself in Darnold's case, but it would put him in an unprecedented situation and would also give the Jets more time for him to develop and move further down the road to winning. If the Jets trade Darnold, he’s not getting any new deal and will be on a one year prove it or get cut scenario. I know. A contract extension for Darnold, are you kidding? All I am saying is the Jets need to explore some middle ground in this situation. They really need to think outside the box. I harken back to the original goal of the GM — to build a TEAM worthy of consistently competing for a Super Bowl. No decision is made without other ramifications being discussed. This type of discussion exists within the walls of a well-run NFL franchise and that’s why I always want to make sure, I’m not the smartest guy in the room. Having a well-versed team of decision makers by my side allows the GM to sleep a little better. Good luck Joe. https://www.muellerfootball.com/post/sam-darnold-vs-zach-wilson
    15 points
  3. How's Chris Simms' NFL executive resume looking? This guy expressed a well-formed opinion that didn't happen to align with the Zach Wilson is Jesus movement. Let the hate flow.
    13 points
  4. Ahh yes ... March ... Historically the 2nd best month to be a Jets fan. Second only to April where we can all startup the grill and sit back and dream blindly of the triumphant ascendance of our franchise on the backs of college players we really have no idea about ...
    12 points
  5. 11 points
  6. The "Never pick a player at this position from school x,y,z " bit is pure and utter nonsense imo.
    10 points
  7. Lombardi is about as tapped in as Jason La Canfora... With that said...Darnold and #23 for #12? Yes It’s become increasingly clear to me that the Jets are moving on from Sam and Watson is essentially a pipe dream. So Wilson and someone like Slater, Pitts, Waddle or D. Smith in the 1st round? Then take the best available EDGE/WR/OL/CB at #34? Not too shabby
    10 points
  8. Always enjoy how folks attack/defend the source of an opinion. It was a good read and a reasonably well-thought-out examination of the situation. You don't have to agree with his conclusion, nor admire his resume to say "yea, that's about the situation we're in". Many of the most thoughtful posters on this site have echoed those same sentiments, whether it was @Doggin94it posting about the logic behind a Darnold extension or @Beerfish routinely mentioning the wisdom using the #2 overall to trade down and acquire a lot of talent instead of rolling the dice on another quarterback. Who cares? It's a good piece. It's far better than the hawt takes you're gonna get from most sports media.
    8 points
  9. I mean... it’s pretty obvious why he’s a former executive.
    8 points
  10. And then tell me why every day of the week there is a so called expert on ESPN, the NFL Network, NBC Sports ect standing up for Sam and saying that in the Shannon system surrounded by better talent he will succeed? Personally I don't remember any faith shown to a failed 1st round qb by the "experts" as has been shown to sam, there must be a reason to it.
    8 points
  11. Well it's quite simple in my view. Or I guess I would say I don't understand how the point I'm about to present is lost on so many. Kyle Shannahan has built enough equity to withstand being wrong about Darnold. Joe Douglas, Robert Saleh and Mike LaFleur have not, and that's not even considering betting in Darnold and passing on a QB at 2. It would be a different discussion if the Jets were drafting 12th.
    8 points
  12. Edge, CB, WR, IOL. Best player at any of these positions at 23.
    8 points
  13. Took me a while to find the uncropped version of this photo. Explains everything.
    8 points
  14. Interesting that you say that, considering he, along with Tony Pauline, were the first to divulge that Maccagnan was about to be fired.
    7 points
  15. Sorry to spoil yet another thread where everybody convinces themselves that surrounding the worst quarterback in the league with good coaching and better weapons will totally work this time, but Lombardi doesn’t actually say the 49ers are targeting Darnold. He doesn’t really do anything other than idly speculate that the 49ers may have interest. This is no different than when First Take brings on Marcus Spears to give his Jimmy John’s Freaky Fast Friday Five: Top Landing Spots For Sam Darnold
    6 points
  16. 6 points
  17. Great article. And great comments. The dump Sam/draft Zack group have good points and a lot of evidence supporting their position. I am a keep Sam guy conditionally. If you keep Sam, then you have to trade down—maybe even twice. So the goal is to add 2-3 top 100 this year and at least a first day pick next year. If that can be done, I vote to take a flyer on Sam. That would give us 6-8 picks in the top 100 this year. Those picks—even with a dud or 2–would fill a lot of gaping holes on our team. Adding in FA, you add 7-9 starters to the roster. Gargantuan change. IF Sam is a dud, you have 4 day 1 picks in 2022 to move up and draft a QB. Not a happy thought but you have the draft capital to do it. If Sam shows that he can play, the rebuild continues. If you draft Wilson, that process is far slower. You have the risk that Wilson also fails. Any top QB draft choice can be a bust, a journeyman or a legitimate starter. You have about a 1 in 4 chance of getting a starter who improves your team. Sam is worth the risk.
    5 points
  18. That is if you pay for the option, which would be a 25M cap hit next season. I think the point is with the #2 pick in hand you need to create longer term stability. If you dont believe in Darnold take the QB at 2. If you still believe in him which the writer does, You want to extend him to give some stability and avoid big cap hits. Give him three years with a bump this year and a smaller number next year. While many here go straight to the gospel of PFF and say he is ranked #33 or whatever, the majority of people that are actually professional full time evaluators seem to believe Darnold can still be a successful QB in the league.
    5 points
  19. To me he explained everything from a front office decision maker perspective. You just don’t agree with him.
    5 points
  20. I think this is a pretty good article and lays it out pretty well.
    5 points
  21. Thanks for posting. Build a team, good things will happen. Sometimes super things will happen.
    5 points
  22. Welcome! I agree Gallup is a great option and one I hope the Jets pursue. One issue is that the Cowboys basically cannot keep him unless they move on from Dak, so the Jets in theory would be able to sign him in FA next year w/o giving up draft capital. The benefit would be if a deal were to be ironed out this year during the trade, they wouldn't need to outbid everyone else, and in theory the extension he signs this off-season should theoretically be less given the drop in cap space. As it pertains to other trade targets - I think a few that could be interesting are: Marshon Lattimore - Saints will need to shed cap space Ryan Ramczyk - Same as above Tyron Smith/Zack Martin/Lae'el Collins - Cowboys will be in a tough cap spot if they sign Dak and all three of these O-Lineman are injury risks Taylor Motom - a potential tag and trade candidate - Motom would be a great upgrade at RT and if the Panthers want to either trade up to #2, or are able to land one of the marquee QBs (Wilson/Watson) - they may be in a bit of a cap crunch as they can't get out from under Teddy's deal.
    5 points
  23. This sounds like Saleh calling his old buddies and calling in a favor that they feign interest in Sam to try and drum up some bites on the hook. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app
    5 points
  24. The 49ers are who the jets have based themselves on with regards building for the future. The 49ers went from a 4 win team to the superbowl with the addition of Bosa, ford, sherman and jimmy G. If the jets keep Darnold trade back and aquire as much draft capital along with free agency we can be a superbowl contender with in 2 years. Crazy as that sounds I really believe it. It will take a player like Zack wilson at least 2 years to get acclimatized to the nfl and be able to read nfl blitz.
    5 points
  25. 5 points
  26. While everyone is focusing a week out for the start of free agency, I suspect the action picks up this week. Regardless of what JD says, teams either: 1) need to clear cap; and 2) create a blueprint that will attract free agents. The latter is especially true for teams who are unsettled at QB. I would expect: 1) Interesting cap casualities this week 2) Trades of high-profile players to be released or nearing new deals. Tag and trades will begin the following week, for those following the ARob situation. 3) QB movement, with several teams like SF, Chicago, Philly, the Jets, Houston, Miami, Pittsburgh, Oakland (even with Ben back for 1 year) etc. still in limbo. So buckle up... the fun starts this week. Whether the Jets are players in this for trades or QB movement, we'll see. But if they stand pat at QB this week, I would think that it's down to Darnold vs. a QB at 2. That decision can go up to draft day, but a move of Watson, to me, feels like it would be done in the next couple of weeks.
    4 points
  27. Reminds me of folks wanting to trade that lazy fat slob POS reach QW for a 5th rounder or cutting him outright. Oh how the tables have turned.
    4 points
  28. Everyone loved Ozzie Newsom but he drafted Kyle Boller in the 1st rd not all his choices were great.. Only Jet fans never get a pick wrong..LOL
    4 points
  29. Build a team? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! We need to trade all of our high picks for Watson and dump that scrub darnold for a 5th round pick because we don't like him!
    4 points
  30. That's just immature baby talk. Everything he said is factually correct. Some of the people who post wanting another QB, are so unwilling to admit they could be wrong. At least me and others who believe all of what was posted in that article, are humble enough to admit we could be wrong
    4 points
  31. Then I say keep Darnold and draft Wilson too. Let them battle it out, let Wilson push Darnold, and next year we can move one of them to another team. Why run the risk that Darnold turns out to be spectacular in a Shanahan offense if we don't have to? Yeah, Darnold is more valuable now because contract, but we've got the picks and the cap space to absorb that next year. SAR I
    4 points
  32. Just kidding. I have no money.
    4 points
  33. Then tell Lynch and Shanny to find the nearest dirty assh0le and press their lips against it.
    4 points
  34. He also said in his Athletic article that the Jets are seeking a second-round pick within the first ten picks for Darnold.
    4 points
  35. Send to me. I’ll still play. I need all the help I can get.
    4 points
  36. I don't know his height. But his ceiling is a multiple Superbowl winner with the Jets.
    4 points
  37. No, there is ZERO argument to that. Watson is closer to Cousins and Stafford at this point than he is to Mahommes or Rodgers
    4 points
  38. love too take team-building advice from the guy who drafted Ted Ginn at #9 overall
    3 points
  39. Being a Jets fan for over 40 years I’ve seen this organization in the past time after time choose the wrong QB in the draft while passing up on other QB’s that go on to have great careers. When you have a chance to get a top 5 QB, (arguably top 3) you get him. We have the draft capital and cap space to do it. That #2 pick is the wildcard in all this. The Texans could take the QB of their choosing or trade it down for a haul of picks. It’s really a no brainer. Of course the Texans would want more but that’s what negotiating is for. I suspect a trade will happen on draft night if not within a week of the draft. if it’s not the Jets then somebody else.
    3 points
  40. Wouldn't that mean our new offense would be perfect for darnold too? Yup
    3 points
  41. Not even close. One cost 10 million bucks in a year they were under the cap, the other was one of the worst draft picks all time. This is in no way defending the signing of Kalil, he played terribly. But hiring a GM after free agency and the draft isn't a good idea. So Douglas didn't have a good backup Kicker option when the starter retired and he signed Kalil. No GM is going to be perfect, but those mistakes are far from the most terrible in recent Jets history.
    3 points
  42. 6'3 but will probably officially measure in just under 6'3. Doesn't really matter. I don't think anyone viewed him as a 'big' QB or a particularly 'short' QB and he won't measure out to be in either category. We know he is slender but has the frame to put on more muscle mass and weight. We know he has a cannon and enough athleticism, speed and pocket awareness to be a threat to take off and run. Whether he is 6'1 or 6'3 doesn't matter.
    3 points
  43. I think there is obviously a lot of guesswork and things that can’t be foreseen about any kid drafted. But I think the bigger issue the kind of support system these QB’s are getting drafted into. • Do you have a stable FO & Coaching staff? • Do you have an offensive system tailor made around a young QB’s strengths? • Are you asking him to do too much? • Are you drafting/signing players that fit your system? Take Darnold. Each one of those falls into the negative column. Impossible to succeed in that environment if you’re young. (No this is not a keep Sam post). Take Lamar. Each one of those would fall in the positive column. He won league MVP and even though I’m not the biggest fan of his, succeeds in his environment and wins games. I don’t think its lack of scouting in the league. Scouting is placing a bet on its potential, but its pre-draft. So, you can’t correlate the team to the player’s projection yet.
    3 points
  44. Fant is overpaid and below average. Decent in pass protection. Terrible at run blocking. Not a starter. Certainly not a captain. The jets missed out on Conklin and panicked. Fant is an overpaid backup playing out of position. One of the worst jd signing so far
    3 points
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