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  1. Mike White for Chase Young straight up. Who says no? On a more serious note, could this lead to Aaron Rodgers -> Washington?
    10 points
  2. To be honest, I would not hate it. I'm a huge fan of JJ and I think he will be even more of a riser as the draft approaches than he already is. There's a good chance he doesn't last to 10th overall. He's a bit of a gamble but of he can develop into a 3 down lineman in the NFL, he could be a really, really good player. Hutch and Thib are off the board anyway. Yes, we pass on Ekwonu but I really like the idea of adding a dangerous, high upside pass rusher. Wilson is considered by many to be the top WR so I don't mind picking him up at 10. Ekwonu, Hamilton and Cross are off the board. Seems like a sensible pick. Especially if we don't aggressively address WR in FA. I think in this scenario I would target an OT/G or TE (McBride) and LB (Harris) in Rd. 2.
    8 points
  3. Shout out to the homey Chris Simms.
    7 points
  4. This. 100%. There is a difference between avoiding bad plays and making good plays. Down the stretch, Zach avoided bad plays, but very little consistent above average quality play, in my opinion.
    6 points
  5. I honestly think there's no worse post than the "QB X sucked as a rookie too" post. Just a completely meaningless anecdotal morsel of false hope.
    6 points
  6. I just love how people constantly have to dig up random QB’s who sucked as a rookie to compare and justify Zach Wilson sucking. Hey man it’s ok our guys sucks balls, some other guys sucked too. If you’d like I can list the QB’s who continued to suck balls after their rookie season but I don’t think this site allows enough characters in a post. Just ridiculous. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app
    6 points
  7. On the plus side, he’s used to catching less than 50% of the passes thrown at him, so he’ll fit right in to this offense.
    5 points
  8. if im reading this chart right it looks like Zach was the worst QB with a clean pocket. that tells me that Zack has to play better and he needs WRs who can get separation and TEs who can get open. kind of blows a hole in the whole " We need to build a wall for Zach argument". when Zach did have a wall he was the worst QB.
    5 points
  9. I f*cking hate the Jets organization
    5 points
  10. **** that mock in the ass. Pretend we focus on three or four positions of need in free agency WR, S, OT or OG Kayvon is falling, Williams is falling, who cares about a center at 10. Pick great players regardless of positional "value". Take this and dont look back. No trades. Almost 50/50 split Off/Def (FWIW this draft had Neal/Hutchinson/Hamilton going 123)
    5 points
  11. Michael Thomas and Terry McLaurin are pretty pretty pretty good.
    5 points
  12. If he lights it up at the combine he could go that high. I like this one far better then the legion of drafts having us take a cb or s (Oh and i still prefer Burks over wilson)
    5 points
  13. I feel like we should trade out of 4 if that's the route were going. Johnson could be had at a later pick imo.
    5 points
  14. Their overall rankings have him at 34th overall. That final game in Buffalo really dragged down Zach's final overall rating. He was doing a nice job post injury until that final game. He was consistently ahead of Lawrence all season I believe. Ideally, by the end of next season he needs to be a fringe top 20 QB for the Jets to continue to move forward with him in my opinion. So like a Jimmy G, Carson Wentz level player. If he's still grading out as one of the worst starting QBs in the league after year 2, Jets gotta move on.
    5 points
  15. I feel like this thread just nutted me in the eye.
    4 points
  16. I completely disagree with the need for a veteran QB on 1-2 year deal. What does that do? Wilson gets all of next season to prove himself - all 17 games. If he stinks and it's time to move on, you obtain the veteran/next QB in the 2023 offseason. A quality veteran will only come to a team if he knows he will be the starter. What veteran worth rolling out as the starter in 2023 will come here now knowing this is still Wilson's team. And the Jets would have to give up too much in a trade (and salary) to bring a starting quality veteran here now. If Wilson does not improve, finding a replacement becomes imperative a year from now, not now.
    4 points
  17. I don't think he understood the chart. Those are literally the guys that will cost more to cut than keep.
    4 points
  18. 70 tackles, 18 TFL, 12 sacks last year. What is your threshold for “difference maker”?
    4 points
  19. That's the first I've seen JJ go that high in a mock. Depends on his combine but I've definitely seen worse mocks.
    4 points
  20. I dont think one game in Buffalo was responsible for being rated the worst QB in the NFL. It was his overall body of work. Yes he cut down on INT's but at the same time he didnt do anything impressive after the injury either. Also these numbers are counting his pre injury in which he was just atrocious. I agree with you, Jets cannot give him year 3 if he stinks it up next year. They are going to invest to heavily in this team for that to happen, which is why we need a veteran/starting type QB on maybe a 1-2 year deal to back him up. If this goes south next year we cant ride out another horrific season.
    4 points
  21. So it's true. Zach Wilson DID suck? FAKK
    4 points
  22. I was just making a statement about Stafford, didnt say anything about Zach Wilson but clearly not a great situation for either QB. I think these exercises are silly and meaningless, but if you really want to use this type of comparison as encouragement, Stafford had Megatron and IMO, was a 10x better prospect coming out of college. So yeah, hopefully Zach can turn it around. Either way, nobody should write a QB off after their rookie season, unless they're just a total mess and it's apparent. Which at one point Zach was trending toward but as you said, he at least showed he could be a back-up, hopefully he can build off that and show he can be a starter. Getting over the turnovers is great but when you're throwing for a 100 yards a game, is it really all that impressive?
    4 points
  23. 4 points
  24. Forgive me, but what does what Stafford did have to do with what Zach will do? If all you're saying is "it's possible", everyone agrees that it's possible. Anything is possible.
    4 points
  25. Looking forward to the Titans winning a Super Bowl with Zack Wilson in 2035 after we trade him for a first round pick.
    4 points
  26. Everybody talks about Josh Allen making that jump but what about Stafford's rookie year? 53% 13TD 20INT 61 rating 37.1 QBR. This for all those jumping off the Zach Wilson train.
    3 points
  27. I would not be against getting him back on a value contract.
    3 points
  28. Agreed - he was not in an ideal situation, especially at the end of the season. But we said teh same about Geno when he was throwing to David Nelson and Clyde Gates. And the same for Darnold when he was throwing to Robby, Deontay Burnett, Jermaine Kearse and a broken down Enunwa. I hope Wilson gets better weapons and tears it up (in a good way) next season. I m not calling him a bust, but I need to see a consistent level of strong play on the field before I will buy in. I did not see that in his rookie year.
    3 points
  29. Hate to keep going back and forth but defining a lost season is very simple. Winning 6 games or less is kind of a lost season. Moreover when you know a guy you drafted at 2 isn’t it (remember how high of a pick he was) you move on to make the other 55 guys relevant. Actually I think we learned from This year with our system we don’t need aaaron Rodgers we need smart competent QB play so yea a veteran coming in may allow us to have meaningful football in December. And after all isn’t this was this league is about? Winning football games? I will attend a kids junior camp to root for “developing” players
    3 points
  30. That’s not slightly overpaying. Chase Young alone is worth more than the #4 overall pick. He’s a proven stud pass rusher and is young as hell. He’s worth 2 firsts himself, how the hell do you expect Wash to take one AND give us theirs? Stop dude, you’re living in fantasy land Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app
    3 points
  31. Yeah, I guess sex scandals don’t carry the punch they use to.
    3 points
  32. Cant say it's surprising. New, underwhelming, rebrand. Need to give the fans something to be excited about.
    3 points
  33. To be honest, this article reads like he watched 1 Jets game to make an assessment. I am tired of all the Jets trashing and then people posting it like it has any value or relevance at all. If you think a draft with Wilson, Moore, Carter, AVT, Echols, Sherwood and Nasirildeen is a C+ then your opinion is worthless nothwithstanding a one year evaluation is worthless to begin with.
    3 points
  34. I wish we had at least 10 more ways to measure how bad zach sacked last year...
    3 points
  35. I think far too many posts are effectively empty, intellectually/logically. What Stafford did (or did not do) has no effect or bearing on what Wilson has done or will do. Every single variable is different, including the two QB's themselves. "But it's possible" arguments are, IMO, the absolutely worst form of desperation. Everyone knows it's "possible", it doesn't need said over and over and over via referential arguments. The biggest trouble with these, apart from having no factors in common relating them, is that for every Stafford, there are two dozen Dwayne Haskins/Sam Darnold/Mark Sanchez (picked 4 picks after Stafford)/etc. Citing the exception to the rule, the breaker of the odds, does not in any way mean our guy will also be a breaker of odds. These arguments don't create "hope" or express optimism, they're just dumb and fact-free. A way to say "I want X to be good" without admitting you can't find an actual REASON why X might be good in the future. If I could wave a wand and ban any one argument, it would definitely be the "Well Manning sucked as a rookie, so Wilson will be good going forward" sillyness.
    3 points
  36. I think we need a poll to find out how many posters here would turn down winning a Super Bowl in let's say 2023 because the year after we would fall back to being an ordinary playoff team. Somewhere in the poll put an option for "we have to be dynasty or it's not worth it." SMH
    3 points
  37. Summary - Offense: - Starting RG problem solved - Potential WR1 - Potential TE1 - Depth RB, Depth WR Summary - Defense: - Added 1 player at each of the 3 levels - Stud Edge rusher - Quality LB - Potential starting Safety
    3 points
  38. Definitely a weird approach. He hated me (that is always the feeling I got) even before JetNation launched. I think it was because I associated with @T0mShane but who knows. The first time I met him at a tailgate he basically said it is nice to meet you. Everyone says you are funny, but I don't see it. Might have been the greatest compliment I have ever received.
    3 points
  39. The scary part is sam had a better rookie year then Zach…
    3 points
  40. Speaking of Stafford how the hell do you just bounce when that poor girl falls of the stage? Yikes.
    3 points
  41. The officiating in this sport simply does not allow cornerbacks to be consistently effective enough to warrant this high of an investment. Drafting a corner @ 4 or 10 would be a disaster.
    3 points
  42. At 9 mill I'm not taking either, but in no world is Anderson more valuable as a #4 when he doesnt play specials and Berrios is more than solid on specials.
    2 points
  43. You don't think they're copying? Have you seen the Packers green uniforms? You think that's a coincidence??? Packers want to be the Jets. There.... I said what the national media doesn't have the guts to say!
    2 points
  44. Zach had a bad overall rookie year. I totally agree. That is not arguable. I just follow PFF rankings very closely all season. He was over 60 for a grade heading into that final week. That's not great. It's bottom of the league, but it was better than Lawrence who is considered a generational talent and right around where Fields was. The final game plummeted his final overall rating to below Lawrence. Lawrence was 59.6 and Zach was 59.3. That's all. Jets have to get a better backup than Joe Flacco for next year. Not sure who they would be able to get, but they should consider all options.
    2 points
  45. You're talking to a guy who would legitimately consider drafting WR at BOTH #4 and #10 this draft And TE in the 2nd too! Clearly I am all-in on providing Zach with weaponz. I may have my doubts about Zach's future, but I'll be damned if I'll sit idle what the Jets do to Zach what they did to Sam Darnold, leaving young QB's with utterly ineffective supporting skill position players. With that said, at some point, JD needs to be held to account for his picks and FA choices, including the overall fragility of the players he signs/picks and the teams he runs. But that is a separate conversation.
    2 points
  46. You know the world is going to sh*t when teams start copying the Jets…
    2 points
  47. 2 points
  48. I mean, that’s not remotely what you said. There were so many holes on defense because the team was missing half their starters every game. Most of the defensive needs are non-premium positions that shouldn’t be addressed with top ten selections. I’d argue, as I just did in my prior post, that this isn’t the time in the rebuild to add at corner. That leaves edge. The Jets started drafting offense in the first round in 2020. The prior 19 drafts they took four non quarterback offensive players in the first round. In the prior ten years they took zero non quarterback offensive players in the first round, the only offensive player drafted was Darnold. They’ve been drafting defense forever. It didn’t get them anywhere. The best path for the Jets to be consistently competitive is to develop a franchise quarterback. The offense is bereft of skill talent. The offensive line is average to above average, receivers are below average, running backs are well below average, and tight ends might be the worst group in the league. It’s effectively where you listed the defense in terms of talent. But again, trying to develop a young quarterback. There’s a timer on that. They can rebuild the defense on the fly over the next couple of offseasons, when the team is maybe actually ready to be competitive, but they need to finish the offense ASAP.
    2 points
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